I can definitely see slime as a Water/Ghost. Lets just see if does and has the stats to back up "bulky (haha its a ghost)" Water.
EDIT: The Green thing by the Probo-look-a-like
EDIT: The Green thing by the Probo-look-a-like
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Bug/Electric is pretty cool, only weak to Fire and Rock while resisting Electric, Fighting, Grass, and Steel, though I've always thought the best part of Bug-types was resisting both Fighting AND Ground. Offensively, it is only resisted by Camerupt, Gliscor, Magnezone, Nidos, Rotom, Shedinja, and Steelix in standard. I wonder if it will be physically or specially based.
EDIT: Who the fuck is Slime??
EDIT: Who the fuck is Slime??
Shooter is possibly a VS Recorder. To shoot = to film.
Anyway, Illusion, assuming it isn't melted by entry hazards, is an awesome ability, so I don't understand what you guys are saying. We know Zoroark has Pursuit -- bring it in as a Forretress, lure in a Ghost-type, BAM, it's trapped. We also know Zoroark has good SpA, and it looks like a great recipient for Nasty Plot or another boosting move. Come in as a Gengar (first example, there'd be a better one), get Shadow Balled, and WHAM, free Nasty Plot for Zoroark. If you use Pokémon with good Zoroark synergy, it can let you set up or at least take a NVE hit, free turn. That's pretty good imo. It does fade quickly and it does reveal your second Pokémon, but just because it's imperfect doesn't mean it's bad. Jibaku's projected stats are pretty good anyway, and Dark-type is great, so I don't think it matters if its ability is useless.
In essence, Illusion is a great luring/bluff ability, unless there's a catch we don't know about, like entry hazards dissolving it. =/
ETA: I just thought of another use. Bring it in on something to revenge it and trick it into staying in because it thinks you're harmless. This could be really cool, think about it!
Anyway, Illusion, assuming it isn't melted by entry hazards, is an awesome ability, so I don't understand what you guys are saying. We know Zoroark has Pursuit -- bring it in as a Forretress, lure in a Ghost-type, BAM, it's trapped. We also know Zoroark has good SpA, and it looks like a great recipient for Nasty Plot or another boosting move. Come in as a Gengar (first example, there'd be a better one), get Shadow Balled, and WHAM, free Nasty Plot for Zoroark. If you use Pokémon with good Zoroark synergy, it can let you set up or at least take a NVE hit, free turn. That's pretty good imo. It does fade quickly and it does reveal your second Pokémon, but just because it's imperfect doesn't mean it's bad. Jibaku's projected stats are pretty good anyway, and Dark-type is great, so I don't think it matters if its ability is useless.
In essence, Illusion is a great luring/bluff ability, unless there's a catch we don't know about, like entry hazards dissolving it. =/
ETA: I just thought of another use. Bring it in on something to revenge it and trick it into staying in because it thinks you're harmless. This could be really cool, think about it!
I thought it was a Spinda evolution, to be honest, but that's probably because I can't see colors very well.
I guess shooter could be a psuedo-Vs. Recorder, but I don't know anyone that would really want to film in-game stuff and upload it to the GTS or that place in HGSS. It sounds viable, but if that is correct, I feel it's kind of stupid on GameFreak's part, especially since you can't really hook up your DS to a computer. If you could, you could upload clips directly to YouTube instead of going through an external recording device, but alas I don't believe even the DSi is capable of doing that. Correct me if I am wrong, like always.
Illusion is completely ruined by entry hazards in general. It can't feign itself as anything that takes 50%, 25%, 6.25% or 3.125% from Stealth Rock damage, nor can it feign itself as something that is Levitating or part Flying. It does make a good bluffing ability, agreed, but it doesn't provide that many usages. We don't know how the metagame will change because we don't know the other 20 Pokemon or so that'll make it into OU, but I don't feel that it will have many opportunities (the ability, I mean) to shine. You could feign as Gengar, but Scizor is still going to come in and Bullet Punch you. If it was a lot more bulky, it could actually make use of the ability by feigning (oh god, I've used that word so many damn times) as some sweeper, and then Toxicing or dealing massive damage to that sweeper's counter. But because it can't take a hit and live (from the calculated base stats which may not be right), it's kind of hard to find many usages.
Again, if the mechanics of the ability are to change types on switching in and then calculate battle damage (Yugioh terms, much?) as if it were a Dark-type, it would be more useful. Because if you were feigning as Salamence (not the best example because of Intimidate, though), you'd take 25% from SR and it'd be more convincing, although on the inside you are still a Dark-type.
And unless its used as a lead, you aren't going to be sure what Zoroark will transform into. On Shoddy, if a Pokemon is fainted it still stays in the spot that it was in the beginning of the battle. Shoddy isn't active with switching the Pokemon slots. In-game, however, they do change. If you are using Zoroark late-game to do massive damage, but you also want to feign as something, you need to manipulate your switches to make sure that Dragonite you want to feign as is in the second slot of your party, otherwise it won't work.
Actually, I have not heard of that yet. I'll take your word for it, then, and that does provide more usage to Jumpluff's theory of the Shooter being an in-game recording device, although it still doesn't provide all that much usage. Because you can still use an external recording device, despite that being low quality and more-or-less stupid.
Although, you can't be sure that you'll be able to directly upload the contents of the "Shooter" to YouTube. But I'm pretty sure that if the Shooter was a recorder, that's the whole point. :/
What other usage could you possibly have for sending your save to your computer, though? Having a back-up file in case a glitch kills your game? It honestly doesn't make much sense to me.
Well, it could be an option in trainer battles (gym leaders, Frontier [you can already record the Frontier]) / link battles, so it makes sense to me. It would be cool to be able to save your videos to the computer though. We know you can upload your save file already, after all.
You could feign as Gengar, but Scizor is still going to come in and Bullet Punch you.
It was an example off the top of my head, lol; you can't say that without knowing what Pokémon are present and how they synergise with Zoroark. My point is that while it isn't a perfect disguise, it can be a great offensive aid. It makes Zoroark an amazing lure for at least Ghost-types; it could help Zoroark set up, depending on what Pokémon are; it helps Zoroark bluff and trap. Those are plenty of uses, considering most abilities don't have multiple uses, especially not strategic uses.
Again, if the mechanics of the ability are to change types on switching in and then calculate battle damage (Yugioh terms, much?) as if it were a Dark-type, it would be more useful. Because if you were feigning as Salamence (not the best example because of Intimidate, though), you'd take 25% from SR and it'd be more convincing, although on the inside you are still a Dark-type.
We don't know the mechanics. I granted that entry hazards may fuck it over, but with the current knowledge we operate under, that doesn't apply. It is entirely possible what you say may hold true.
And unless its used as a lead, you aren't going to be sure what Zoroark will transform into. On Shoddy, if a Pokemon is fainted it still stays in the spot that it was in the beginning of the battle. Shoddy isn't active with switching the Pokemon slots. In-game, however, they do change. If you are using Zoroark late-game to do massive damage, but you also want to feign as something, you need to manipulate your switches to make sure that Dragonite you want to feign as is in the second slot of your party, otherwise it won't work.
ETA: Does this happen over Wi-Fi? I've never observed. At the very least, it's helpful early-game.
You could feign as Gengar, but Scizor is still going to come in and Bullet Punch you.
It was an example off the top of my head, lol; you can't say that without knowing what Pokémon are present and how they synergise with Zoroark. My point is that while it isn't a perfect disguise, it can be a great offensive aid. It makes Zoroark an amazing lure for at least Ghost-types; it could help Zoroark set up, depending on what Pokémon are; it helps Zoroark bluff and trap. Those are plenty of uses, considering most abilities don't have multiple uses, especially not strategic uses.
Again, if the mechanics of the ability are to change types on switching in and then calculate battle damage (Yugioh terms, much?) as if it were a Dark-type, it would be more useful. Because if you were feigning as Salamence (not the best example because of Intimidate, though), you'd take 25% from SR and it'd be more convincing, although on the inside you are still a Dark-type.
We don't know the mechanics. I granted that entry hazards may fuck it over, but with the current knowledge we operate under, that doesn't apply. It is entirely possible what you say may hold true.
And unless its used as a lead, you aren't going to be sure what Zoroark will transform into. On Shoddy, if a Pokemon is fainted it still stays in the spot that it was in the beginning of the battle. Shoddy isn't active with switching the Pokemon slots. In-game, however, they do change. If you are using Zoroark late-game to do massive damage, but you also want to feign as something, you need to manipulate your switches to make sure that Dragonite you want to feign as is in the second slot of your party, otherwise it won't work.
ETA: Does this happen over Wi-Fi? I've never observed. At the very least, it's helpful early-game.
Back to the rumour mill from a few weeks ago.
Bolded stuff has since been confirmed:
I guess when can expect Team Plasma and a healthy 150 new Pokemon.
The statement about what the legendary trio looks like has me thinking about the three Pokemon we just saw on the red background.
In silhouette form the green ghost could sort of look like cotton, the middle one like a dog and the "emo witch" like an upright animal with big ears.
If they are a trio, I wonder what they have in common because they seem completely unrelated right now.
Bolded stuff has since been confirmed:
It's a decent track record so far.
I guess when can expect Team Plasma and a healthy 150 new Pokemon.
The statement about what the legendary trio looks like has me thinking about the three Pokemon we just saw on the red background.
In silhouette form the green ghost could sort of look like cotton, the middle one like a dog and the "emo witch" like an upright animal with big ears.
If they are a trio, I wonder what they have in common because they seem completely unrelated right now.
I guess it would be an interesting idea (talking about the Shooter atm), but if that is the case they better have something to directly upload Shooter videos to YouTube. Because that honestly seems to be the only purpose, unless I am overlooking something major about recording gameplay. It would make chaining or EVing tutorials easier, especially if you don't have the aforementioned external recording device, but meh. Hopefully we get more insight about that later.
Yeah, there are better examples, although I can't think of any myself. We'll have to really get into the Gen V OU metagame before we can really say anything about this ability, really. One turn of set-up won't matter if priority is still running around like crazy like it was this generation. And being neutral to ExtremeSpeed and Bullet Punch doesn't help, unless it gets its own Fire-typed priority mentioned before. And yeah, it does get some good feigning opportunities, as well as abusing Pursuit if it gets it (which it should, imo). Eh, I'm still iffy on how good it'll perform, though.
I know we don't know the game mechanics, but if entry hazards are applied as if Zoroark was actually the Pokemon it was feigning as, it would provide a lot more opportunities to use the ability. :/
I'm not saying that a programming error in Shoddy 1 makes the ability useless. Or at least I don't think I said that, and if I did I sure as hell didn't mean it. I was saying that you need to keep a running track of who is in your second slot of your party, because when you switch Zoroark in, that is who he is going to become. And during the late-game battle, when you have already switched numerous times, you may not have that Dragonite in your second slot that you want to feign as, and you need to waste a few turns getting 'Nite into that spot. And by that time, Zoroark's usefulness could have dissipated.
EDIT: @ above two posts: Nice finds, tbqh. So that pretty much confirms that in-game the Shooter option won't show up, but during Wireless or WiFi Trainer Battles it will. So it's really just a non-Key Item Vs. Recorder, as jumpluff said. I'm just glad to see the bag didn't die. :D
Team Plasma
...I automatically pictured people in Rotom costumes in my head.
EDIT (2): Oh, look. 100 posts already. D':
Yeah, I know about the last paragraph, I'm still tired from not getting sleep and edited my post while you were quoting it, sorry. And that would be sweet, I don't think it is very likely but it's possible, especially with the emphasis on networking and social media in games lately. I don't know for sure it'll be great, but I hope it works how I think it does, 'cause if it does, it's a great ability. Also lemme copy/paste from IRC:
<%stellar> also btw
<%stellar> the slot 2 illusion thing was kinda debunked
<%stellar> it showed zoroark in a double battle with zorua
<%stellar> one of those had to be in slot 2
<%stellar> yet it was transformed into hihidaruma
It possibly transforms at the start of the battle.
Like you said, they do look like what was described, but they look so odd together that I can't find a common concept. Hope they're not the legendaries though, they're lame =[
<%stellar> also btw
<%stellar> the slot 2 illusion thing was kinda debunked
<%stellar> it showed zoroark in a double battle with zorua
<%stellar> one of those had to be in slot 2
<%stellar> yet it was transformed into hihidaruma
It possibly transforms at the start of the battle.
Like you said, they do look like what was described, but they look so odd together that I can't find a common concept. Hope they're not the legendaries though, they're lame =[
<%stellar> also btw
<%stellar> the slot 2 illusion thing was kinda debunked
<%stellar> it showed zoroark in a double battle with zorua
<%stellar> one of those had to be in slot 2
<%stellar> yet it was transformed into hihidaruma
It possibly transforms at the start of the battle.
Actually, my theory on that was that in double battles, it'd transform into the third Pokemon in the slot, because the second Pokemon is already "in use", so to speak. Same with triple battles; only it'd transform into the fourth slot, because the second and third are "in use".
Eh, the game mechanics on this thing are driving me crazy. D':
<%stellar> the slot 2 illusion thing was kinda debunked
<%stellar> it showed zoroark in a double battle with zorua
<%stellar> one of those had to be in slot 2
<%stellar> yet it was transformed into hihidaruma
It possibly transforms at the start of the battle.
Actually, my theory on that was that in double battles, it'd transform into the third Pokemon in the slot, because the second Pokemon is already "in use", so to speak. Same with triple battles; only it'd transform into the fourth slot, because the second and third are "in use".
Eh, the game mechanics on this thing are driving me crazy. D':
And look, there's the weather indicator
Doesn't look like Bag's disappearing for normal matches
Mystery consider yourself solved
The thing is, it was a double battle. It could just be that the ability works differently in double and triple battles and selects the third/fourth Pokemon instead, respectfully. Similarly, if the second Pokemon is already KO'd in a single battle, I wouldn't be surprised if Zoroark just transforms into the third Pokemon. In any case though, I'd definitley hesitate to say that it's debunked based on that shot, especially since this is the type of thing that I and some others were expecting to happen anyway in this situation.
Hey, for the curious, edited into my news thread:
(Sadly, the AVIs were too big to upload D:)
And yeah, that's why stellar said 'kinda debunked'. It's very subjective at this point, I suppose, but it's definitely evidence against it. I pointed it out for those who would like to look at it in another angle.
(Sadly, the AVIs were too big to upload D:)
And yeah, that's why stellar said 'kinda debunked'. It's very subjective at this point, I suppose, but it's definitely evidence against it. I pointed it out for those who would like to look at it in another angle.
Ok, I take back what I said, these Pokemon are pretty awesome. I still want to see the official images, though.
Edit: I actually think the sarcophogas is more likely to be Ghost/Rock instead of Ghost/Ground, although, Ghost/Ground seems better competetively. The dino seems like the most likely candidate so far for the psuedo-legendary.
Edit: I actually think the sarcophogas is more likely to be Ghost/Rock instead of Ghost/Ground, although, Ghost/Ground seems better competetively. The dino seems like the most likely candidate so far for the psuedo-legendary.
Yea... I caught it in the middle of it using the move Drill Liner. XD
I don't mind those four Pokemon. I never said anything bad about them, because they actually looked decent.
The other two Pokemon I'm talking about are the green cottom thing and the spooky, bouncy thing. I honestly don't know what to call them. Both Pokemon on either side of the Probopass rip-off. Those two are the ones I bashed, because they look stupid. And I mean stupid. The Probopass rip-off still looks cool, and I'm hoping it doesn't get Rock/Steel typing.
The other two Pokemon I'm talking about are the green cottom thing and the spooky, bouncy thing. I honestly don't know what to call them. Both Pokemon on either side of the Probopass rip-off. Those two are the ones I bashed, because they look stupid. And I mean stupid. The Probopass rip-off still looks cool, and I'm hoping it doesn't get Rock/Steel typing.
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