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stellar said:
They have been showcasing Hyper Beam and Superpower on Wargle and Hihidaruma respectively; surely there is a reason behind this.
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Well, both moves look powerful as fuck.


But I agree that, out of all moves they could have used, they just had to go with those two, even showcasing Superpower on both Encourage pokémon...
 
Colonel Darren said:
Okay. This is the third goddamn time I've likely had to say this about Encourage. I highly doubt it will negate Recoil/Stat Drops/Recharge on moves that have them as effects, like Brave Bird/Close Combat/Hyper Beam. Seriously. Encourage will reduce only secondary effects like chances of paralysis/burn or flinch. That's it.

No stupid recoil-less Hyper Beam like in RBY. No pointless Close Combat spamming and not being able to be killed by nearly any priority afterward. No mindless spamming of Brave Bird to kill everything without taking a single hit save Life Orb. It's not going to happen because those are required effects of the move being used, not secondary added effects. By -your- logic, it would be the same as if a Jirachi with Giga Impact would require two turns of recoil, take full recoil damage, and double the stat drops because of Serene Grace boosting secondary effects. It doesn't happen.

Think before you post.
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You know, I'm usually very measured but.
SHUT UP!

I do not welcome ridiculously condescending and preachy posts especially in response to my own.
Thank you. :)

We do not know what the ability does for sure and I already said what I believe is more likely.
READ before you post especially before getting on a soapbox.
 
The Cicada said:
Are any of the new pokemons stats revealed yet?
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No base stats have been revealed, but we have seen Zoroark has high attack, and slightly higher special attack and speed. It was also stated by a blogger that Tsutaja was a special sweeper, Pokabu had high HP and attack but low defense, and that Mijumaru had high attack, and average HP and speed. Since Reshy and Zeky were shown to have signature moves that looked special and physical respectively, one can speculate that they will have base 150 special attack and attack, respectively. Other than that we've just seen the HPs of pokemon and level-up stats of low-level, unevolved pokemon. Hope that answers your question!
 
Azlanslayer said:
Yeah, reshiram's cry was pretty LOW Voice or Manly voice lol. Its cool, since its a fire type, BUT Why does it sounds like a gay legendary >_>
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What does gay sound like,please tell me because thats one of the dumbest things I've ever read :/
ANYWAY....Is it me or did mamanbo use wish.Vaporeon better watch out...
 
deluge said:
You know, I'm usually very measured but.
SHUT UP!

I do not welcome ridiculously condescending and preachy posts especially in response to my own.
Thank you. :)

We do not know what the ability does for sure and I already said what I believe is more likely.
READ before you post especially before getting on a soapbox.
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No, actually the Colonel Darren's arguments are much more well thought out and the Jirachi example explains everything perfectly. His is a much more likely representation of what will happen.
 
I'm so excited for these games! SO EXCITE

Eeeee eeeee ridin' the ferris wheel with N eeeeeee

I mean, abilities and stuff! Really interesting!

The karate smily face pokemon has legs and arms I havn't seen before. Maybe he's a new pokemon, but GF "cleverly" hid his face out of sight with that goddamn Walmart logo mask.

You know, when the game comes out, the first thing I'll look into trying is Hihidaruma + Overheat. From the trailers, it looks like Luvdisc evo has Wish or something. I wonder if it can put it to good use.
 
The Cicada said:
Isn't Mamanbou already confirmed to be a Luvdisc evo? Anyways i think it will evolve form a water stone.
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No confirmation. It's just theorycrafting, and we do that because it's fun.

iruchii said:
It seems I'm the only one who believes that Encourage is a balanced ability and that Mamambou is not a Luvdisc evolution.

Feels bad man. ):
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Nope, I'm sure Encourage will have some sort of limiting factor, like maybe pokemon with it will have bum stats or something.

the interwebs said:
i don't think so, game freak usually does not evolve pokemon in ways already avaible in earlier generations, this is most likely why leafeon evolved by the moss rock and not leaf stone.
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I joked that Mamambou evolved from Luvdisc only if it knew Wish. The logic behind this is that Luvdisc currently cannot naturally learn Wish.

It's also entirely possible that the two pokemon are completely unrelated and just HAPPEN to look alike.
 
ShedinjaGod said:
Despite the fact it is a joke, I have been struck by an idea. Farfetch'd MAY in fact have an evolution, but is just a hypothesis. Farfetch'd is just a mediocre Pokemon no one likes, but does have people who care, so it tries to live with them but get taunted by others in a way and leave. When 1 day, after winter, he lives with many swans as he became one of them. This may in fact mean that Farfetch'd could be based on the Ugly Ducking, but with a twist (he carries a celery and uses it as a weapon and also offers his life to hungry travelers as well). I may be wrong because of contradictions, but this is possible. If anyone thinks of something otherwise, just reply back.
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XD are you kidding everone likes Farfetchd'd.
 
stellar said:
How do you know that though? There has been no official clarification. Anything you say is just your personal opinion. Brute Force doesn't really have a connotation that would make me assume one effect over another. People just need to stop saying things as if they were facts. The reality is, they aren't.
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people need to realize that it can go either way, and be happy about it. we dont know yet!

wargle wouldn't be broken because of encourage due to poor coverage, unless (please god!) it gets earthquake, which doesnt really have a secondary effect and probally wouldn't get a boost. plus it would probaly have shit for defense. hihidaruma or wtf its called, would probaly have poor stats as well.

at the same time, encourage could just take away useful effects, and make both pokemon near worthless, only being saved by amazing stats and movepool.

so shut the fuck up, and have a nice debate about it, not an arguement.

EDIT: did any1 ever think it would take away the effect of status moves ie- sword dance? think of more possibilities.
 
stellar said:
Colonel Darren, I don't get why you seem to be saying with 100% confidence that Encourage has that effect. The flavor text that we received was vague at best. For all we know, it could remove any and all secondary / guaranteed effects. If anything, I would say that it does remove Hyper Beam's charge turn and Superpower's stat drops. They have been showcasing Hyper Beam and Superpower on Wargle and Hihidaruma respectively; surely there is a reason behind this.
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Because I try to view this from a logical standpoint. Yes, I concede that there may have been a point to showing Superpower and Hyper Beam, and I find that more as showing off 'Yes, we are offensive. Watch us smash' type of points. After all, when looking at pure power, you don't get much higher up on Base Power than Hyper Beam/Superpower/Giga Impact etc.

However, my main argument still stands. I know Gamefreak's made a couple broken things before (Looking at Skymin and Darkrai, for starters.). But honestly, I am almost certain Encourage will work in a -very- similar way to how I stated because it would seem the most balanced. Certain secondary effects -must- occur, if they are built into the move with a 100% chance of a negative effect on the user. Now, if it's something like DynamicPunch or Zap Cannon, it could still be in the air if Confusion/Paralysis still occurs. However, when it comes to recoil/recharge/stat drops, I am certain Encourage will keep those negative effects as means of balance.

In summary, I -am- unsure of offensive 100% secondary chances, like DynamicPunch, but I am about 99% certain that defensive effects like recoil still occur, Encourage or not.

Edit: Also, Satchmo, I will take a guess and say that Hihidaruma will be physically bulky, but have poor speed and even worse Special Defense. Maybe some usable Special Attack, but honestly, something that bulky-looking with big arms is not going to be special based, I would assume.
 
satchmo said:
like i edited, what if it blocks all effects from moves, save for damage?
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I would assume that Encourage only modifies offensive moves. I still think Hihidaruma would be able to use things like Bulk Up and Wooguru Roost. Besides, it might be a little more complicated than we may like if it ignored status techniques.
 
Since Wargle gets Clawsharpen, presumably Encourage doesn't block self-inflicting effect moves

edit: Er, things like health recover and stat ups, at least.
 
Can anyone tell me what the small green bar next to the apparent HP bar is in the battle interface or have we not learned that yet? (Don't speculate either)
 
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