Base Stats of New Pokemon

Wargle looks like Staraptor--. Unless Encourage actually does broken things like remove recoil.

Also, the large number of base stats over 130 makes me suspicious of their veracity.

And while I love Urugamosa's typing...double rock weak...yeah. Here's hoping SR ignores double weaks/resistances in BW.
 
This generation is looking to be fun and versatile. Typings are wonderful, the bug pokemon aren't horrible this generation and have unique typings to boot. I'm especially loving Nattorei.

#598
Grass/Steel
89
94
131
49
116
20

Looks pretty fantastic to me. I hope the Pokemon with the Sandstorm based abilities are splash-able on a variety of teams and won't focus solely on sandstorm, but rather the prominence of sandstorm merely gives them some bonuses while fulfilling the role you assign to them.

The Bug Pokemon look like lotssa fun this generation. This should be rather interesting~

EDIT:

#623
Goruggo
Ground/Ghost
Iron Fist/Klutz
89
124
80
55
80
55

This guy looks fairly interesting with his abilities and unique typing. Though; defenses are meh so he's not especially special.

#625
Dark/Steel
Competitive Spirit/Inner Focus
65
125
100
60
70
70

His typing leaves a pretty bad weakness and his stats are ~ok~ except for his attack and defense which are wonderful. What does Competitive Spirit do?
 
Electric
Levitate
HP: 85
Atk: 115
Def: 80
SpA: 105
SpD: 80
Spe: 50

This guy (with some defense and HP evs) and that grass/steel guy from the post above (depending on movepool) are going to be some excellent Gyarados counters
 
Okay as far as in-game goes, this is pretty meh. Most of the pokemon are too sinister, who are they trying to impress, it's Pokemon, have some happier ones! Competitively I'm very pleased, they've given a lot of new tools to both offense and stall. The one thing that bugs me is the absolutely obscene amount of dragon, steel and ghost types added- these are supposed to be some somewhat rare types. However I love the diversity of spin blockers to choose from, sometimes I wish we had more than Rotom/Gengar. I don't think this game is going to be impacted as badly as we first thought, as honestly a lot of the Pokemon seem kinda "meh". The one thing that seems interesting to me is the sheer amount of tank-like Pokemon- that is, high HP and atk/spatk but little else going for them. I think paralysis is going to be really effective this generation. There's enough not emo Pokemon in this game for me to think I'll enjoy it competitively as well. All in all, better than I expected.
 
Shoddy Battle should stay gen 4, and they should make shoddy 2 gen 5

Oh yeah, and Ononokusu looks broken:
HP: 76
ATK: 147
DEF: 90
SP.A: 60
SP.A: 70
SPE: 97
BST: Only 540?

Yeah, so this is like an extreme version of Garchomp. It's bulkier, has great abilities, and attack to make even Rhyperior cry. This metagame will be scary
 
Get a female Ononokusu with Rivalry and prepare death to everything. Especially if you've used fire and grass oath, getting steels hurt while you're locked into Outrage
 
oh yeah ononokusu gets DD. GREAT. Give it another nuke to blow up the metagame why don't you game freak.




aaahhh game freak, you made BW so much more offense oriented.
Stall is like going to be obslete.
 
tawp64 said:
Shoddy Battle should stay gen 4, and they should make shoddy 2 gen 5

Oh yeah, and Ononokusu looks broken:
HP: 76
ATK: 147
DEF: 90
SP.A: 60
SP.A: 70
SPE: 97
BST: Only 540?

Yeah, so this is like an extreme version of Garchomp. It's bulkier, has great abilities, and attack to make even Rhyperior cry. This metagame will be scary
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LOL. It's not bulkier, Garchomp is BY FAR bulkier. 108/95/85 vs. 76/90/70? You must be kidding.

Honestly, I want Garchomp back in OU just to put these new Dragons in their place.
 
Uncommon Madness said:
Actually I missed a lot of them, their baste stats and abilities look incredibly powerful. Example:

609Shanderaa
Ghost/Fire
Flash Fire/Flame Body
HP: 60
Atk: 55
Def: 90
SpA: 145
SpD: 90
Spe: 80

145 base SAtk is something non-legendary pokés have only been dreaming.
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Well. Snorlax resists fire type moves with thick fat AND is completely immune to ghost. He also packs pursuit aaand crunch. Fire/Ghost is also resisted by Tyranitar, Heatran and many others.

Buuut HP Fighting takes care of most of those T__T

Also, we're going to need garchomp back in OU, but he probably just won't be as broken this time around, he also seems like a very reasonable counter to some otherwise scary looking threats such as Doryuuzu, Ononokusu and a bunch of others.
 
Does anyone else think Mamoswine will see more usage this gen? He's got the amazing ability to hit alot of these slower, hard hitters for SE with earthquake, and kill off faster flying and dragon pokemon with Ice Shard. :/

He's also got immunity to both weather conditions.

Edit: And I know everyone is all OMG Mold Breaker with Ononokusu but what does it do for him really? I think the aspect of a 50% chance to raise his already massive Atk by one stage is pretty fucking awesome. :/
 
how does hihidurma's stats change with his form? Do others have form changes? When will we get to know what abilities do?
 
So, first, I agree with Picollo (some pages ago) on the new dragon. The attack is frightening, but overall it looks nowhere as strong as Garchomp. The lack of a secondary STAB is seriously gonna hurt, as this will render it completely helpless against some solid Steels.
So, I'll point out some surprises and predictions...

Grass starter. Everything went better than expected. This thing is just made to be the perfect Sub Seeder. Nothing else, but this one thing it can excell at. Juts give him a good support movepool and it won't even need to use one of its crappy attack stats.
Fire starter can abuse the new fire "priority". Nothing else. No "but", just sad.
Water starter I do not even see potential here...
The apes are going to have a big influence. We can assume they have a crazy movepool and they just got the perfect stats to abuse gimmicky moves: quick and hard-hitting where it hurts. These are the true starters...
Doryuuzu the Ground/Steel is imo the most threatening pokemon on this list. I think this is what we've got the electric/grass rotom for. =)
Roopushin the fighter w/ walls I'm wondering why nobody mentions this guy. He's both a physical wall with good typing and a sweeper with great STAB. And Guts helps him at both.
Warubiaru the Ground/Dark crocodile. Anyone else noticed how perfectly this resembles collosoil's stats? It's just a bit weaker, but that was to be expected. Coincidence? xD
Hihidaruma. Yeah, interesting. Fire types are not that threatening to me, though, even with 140 base attack. Could just be the first pure fire type to ever be of any competetive use. lol
[The strange symbol thing (Psychic/Flying)[/b] Greatest surprise here: Another magic guard user, and a fast one. Flying is kinda ideal to abuse SR immunity and 4x fighting resist is great for sandstorm teams (with Tyranitar and Doryuuzu fearing the fighting). I'll definitely keep my eye on this one.
Deathkhan No discussion. This is the new Rotom, I think. It's gonna wall a lot of dudes. (Who even gets this emem? xD)
Abagoora, the turtle Best design in this gen, IMHO. Solid Rock is greatly appreciated. SpDef really makes it unusable outside of Sandstorm, though. I'm excited to see what it'll do IN a Sandstorm...
Aekosu, the archeopterix Interesting. I really like the new fossils. Best revenge killer ever? Too bad, Stealth Rocks are really gonna hurt him. It could really break through a whole stall team alone, though (given it gets Substitute).
Rankulus was my favorite new pokemon thus far. Its stat distribtuion seems ok, too. It's not gonna be a wall, but it can certainly come in on a lot of attacks (even without magic guard). There's also a good hope it gets Recover, imo. And its immense SpAtk assures it is no setup fodder. I really like its build. Will definitely try this out. I hope it gets Thunderwave and Energyball. =)
The big deer (Grass/Normal) Great letdown. It looked awesome, but its stats just don't bring it.
Shubarugo, Bug/Steel knight. This is like Scizor and Forretress in one. But if it does not get Forretress's Spikes, it won't make up for Scizor's Technician...
Denchura of course, it does not really have what I'd call great stats, but at least it's not completely fucked up. Speed is great. And its SpAtk is just enough to abuse the power of Thunder. With some nice movepool, it can have its brilliant situations. And perhaps, GF has a surprise for us. Denchura with a good ice attack (like in the cold that you feel when you face a tarantula) would have awesome coverage and the ability to revenge yache garchomp OR garchomp in the sandstorm without missing.
Electric eel thing ne of the best designs in this Gen. Speed is sad, but having no weakness can greatly help it. I'm wondering if it'll get Surf or the new Giga Drain, which would make it totally awesome.
Ononokusu, yeah, fearsome, as discussed above. What I'm most afraid of, are its arms. Mence did not have any and was thus missing on some moves. This thing will have Focus Punch and the elemental punches for coverage. On the other hand, its Fire Storm will suck hard... Steel types anger this thing.
Ice bear, damn we needed a Mamoswine with Technician, not a Pokemon that cannot even compete with Piloswine.... Unless this thing gets Ice ExtremeSpeed it has no chance...
The Ground/Ghost statute is to Claydol like Dusknoir is to Dusclops. Considering that Trick is kinda a given, this thing can have some interesting strategies involving Klutz. I don't see anything coming from Iron Fist atm, though...
The new Dark/Dragon pseudo. Well, interesting. It's kinda defensive. Kinda looks like the child of Giratina-O. I'm really excited to see how its movepool will tend to be. It will really have a hard time eating all the faster U-Turns...
MOTHRA (Bug/Fire) I will never call it by a different name. In a world without Stealth Rock, this thing would sweep whole teams. Impressing design. I'm excited to see what its weapons are.
Legendary trio(s) Seriously, these are the worst legendaries ever. The bull rocks hardcore, fucking things up Rock/Fighting STAB. He'll be a true beast. The others can just go straight into oblivion. And don't get me started on the legendary djinns. The look ugly. I mean, seriously, THIS is what our pure flying type finally looks like? I'm just afraid their stats will push them into OU nonetheless. GF better have some fucking good explanation for this. Also, stat-wise they are some more Azelfs...
Kyuremu (Dragon/Ice) like predicted. Pressure is sad, though...
 
Cshadow said:
Garchomp only has 1 ability

In before it gets sand throw
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Once upon a time, Gen 4 Metagame came out with Garchomp in it. Everyone moaned about Garchomp being in almost every trainer's team. People kept telling Garchomp to leave the Metagame. Months later, Garchomp had to pack up and put the Yache berries and Choice scarfs away in the trash can and left. Everyone was Happy.

Few years later, Gen 5 comes out and everyone is moaning about overpowered BST of most GEN 5 pokes. Garchomp returns to show GEN 5 how it's done and beats the shit outta everyone. Everyone was Happy... again.

Typical.
 
LOLMUDKIPZ said:
Once upon a time, Gen 4 Metagame came out with Garchomp in it. Everyone moaned about Garchomp being in almost every trainer's team. People kept telling Garchomp to leave the Metagame. Months later, Garchomp had to pack up and put the Yache berries and Choice scarfs away in the trash can and left. Everyone was Happy.

Few years later, Gen 5 comes out and everyone is moaning about overpowered BST of most GEN 5 pokes. Garchomp returns. Everyone was Happy... again.

Typical.
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Well, if people complain about Garchomp being on every team, it is actually reasonable to change this by adding more Garchomps to the metagame. xD
 
I've got to say, my favorite is the new Grass/Steel, Nattorei.

HP: 89
Atk: 94 (not bad!)
Defense: 131 (hawt)
Special Attack: 49 (who cares?)
Special defense: 116 (whoa..awesome!)
Speed: 20 (hello, Gyro ball!)

Given his typing, it is at least possible that he'll even have access to Synthesis (which will be awesome, barring the fact that with Sand Power and whatnot, everybody and their mother will run Tyranitar or Hippowdon). Given that he's actually a giant ball of spikes, I'd sort of imagine it would be fair game for him to get the move "Spikes" as well. And if he gets rapid spin...I'd say he's a straight-up better version of old Forry. Not to mention that Grass is a much better defensive typing than Bug.

And we don't even know what Iron Barbs does, yet..but it sounds painful.
 
Quickster said:
To be honest, Meloia has pretty terrible resistances (or resistance) and its weakness to dark might be very threatening with all the powerful Dark types this generation. Also, So many bug types @_@ I hope its other forme is good. That base 128 attack is attractive ~

Genoekuto doesn't look that amazing. Poor offenses with the inability to even speed tie with max speed base 100s is crippling. It has poor STABs to work with to boot. Base 120 is nothing to write home about in Ubers, although with Download is has some potential.
Oh and something i missed out, Hihidaruma's second form could be sexy.
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lol, i say that these pokes are going to be great, and you say they are going to be terrible. Your a bigger buzzkill than Buzz Killington .... ;)

Base 120 attack is nothing to write home about in ubers? Tell that to Dialga. Also, if Scizor works well in Ubers, with his base 60 speed and bug/steel typing, then Genoekuto is going to be dominant, imo.
 
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