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Blaziken

Am I the only one thinking slapping a Baton Pass onto Blaziken is a good idea, or am I crazy?

Throw out Blaziken, get a boost, setup something or attack to check opponent's reaction and BP at least +1 speed to a bulky offence poke. On a good day, also BP'ing +2 attack or a sub. Yet still combine this with offence to allow Blaziken to sweep, but BP when counters inevitably appear.
 
Good catch. Blaziken would lose an average of 118 HP if he misses Vaporeon but it's hardly crippling...it's little more than a Blissey Seismic Toss. Nonetheless, it's justification enough to consider this:

HJK + Hidden Power vs 252/252+ Vaporeon = 90.73 minimum

You're still likely to win after Stealth Rock. If Vaporeon Protects to gain Leftovers recovery on your Hidden Power attempt then you can follow up with an HJK with little worry about Protect.

bittman: until we find out otherwise, it's probably safest to assume Speed Boost + Baton Pass will be illegal due to it being an egg move.
 
Lee said:
Good catch. Blaziken would lose an average of 118 HP if he misses Vaporeon but it's hardly crippling...it's little more than a Blissey Seismic Toss. Nonetheless, it's justification enough to consider this:

HJK + Hidden Power vs 252/252+ Vaporeon = 90.73 minimum

You're still likely to win after Stealth Rock. If Vaporeon Protects to gain Leftovers recovery on your Hidden Power attempt then you can follow up with an HJK with little worry about Protect.
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I assumed the recoil would be more than that >_>

How much is is that in terms of percentage?
Anyway, those calcs definatley look promising.
 
Well Blaziken has 301 HP so it's a little more than 1/3. It's actually almost impossible to outright kill yourself with an HJK miss assuming the mechanics of the moves haven't changed.

Smogon said:
If Hi Jump Kick misses or the target uses Protect or Detect, the user loses HP equal to 1/2 the damage it would have dealt if it had hit. If Hi Jump Kick targets a Ghost-type Pokémon, the user loses HP equal to 1/2 the damage that would have been dealt had the target not been a Ghost-type. The damage caused by Hi Jump Kick missing is capped at 1/2 the target's max HP.
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bittman said:
Am I the only one thinking slapping a Baton Pass onto Blaziken is a good idea, or am I crazy?

Throw out Blaziken, get a boost, setup something or attack to check opponent's reaction and BP at least +1 speed to a bulky offence poke. On a good day, also BP'ing +2 attack or a sub. Yet still combine this with offence to allow Blaziken to sweep, but BP when counters inevitably appear.
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Can pokemon be bred in Dream World? Cause that's the only way to get both Baton Pass and Speed Boost.
 
For whoever was talking about it: Speed Boost doesn't work on the turn of switch in. I've lost a match because of that mechanic, so I've learned the hard way.

Blaziken will be awesome this gen, but it will be manageable. All of the counters listed essentially show that it won't be too overcentralising. I'm a bit annoyed that Gen IV made HJK do 50% max; I was looking forward to killing it by using Protect with Bliss (although that would have been fairly predictable).
 
I'm a bit annoyed that Gen IV made HJK do 50% max; I was looking forward to killing it by using Protect with Bliss (although that would have been fairly predictable).
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It caps at 1/2 of the target's max HP so missing against Blissey would still be fatal I'm afraid.
 
Smogon is too slow to look through the thread but I can also see Blaziken being used as a Ninjask with better typing and bulk. It only needs one turn to Baton Pass +2 Atk and +1 Speed to something
 
sbc said:
Smogon is too slow to look through the thread but I can also see Blaziken being used as a Ninjask with better typing and bulk. It only needs one turn to Baton Pass +2 Atk and +1 Speed to something
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Blaziken only learns Baton Pass as an Egg Move, and it's unclear how compatible they are with Dream World abilities. It's still plausible for it to work, but not certain.
 
I'm thinking Claw Sharpen with HJK/Fire Blast or Blaze Kick/Stone Edge will be better than the SD set, due to accuracy issues and the fact that Blaziken is already doing a shitload of damage
 
PI-Dimension said:
I'm thinking Claw Sharpen with HJK/Fire Blast or Blaze Kick/Stone Edge will be better than the SD set, due to accuracy issues and the fact that Blaziken is already doing a shitload of damage
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I agree, the accuracy boost would definitely help with HJK and fire blast plus you get +1 attack.
 
I've been running Blaziken with Thunderpunch since Emerald, and i just had a really scary (to me, anyway) thought. Has anyone confirmed an elemental punches Move Tutor? It seems to like that's a pretty big detail in planning out sets
 
The only move tutors are for Draco Meteor, the starter Hyper Beams, and the Oath moves.

Blaziken naturally gets Fire Punch and, with HJK, can hit bulky waters more powerfully than it can with SE Thunderpunch, except for Gyara, Starmie, and Slowbro (the former two of which are hit by Stone Edge pretty badly).
 
Ok. I just really don't like Stone Edge's accuracy. Almost makes me debate running HJK, Stone Edge, Swords Dance and Blaze Kick/Fire Blast @Wide Lens
 
I hope Blaziken gets some good tutor moves..But i will say that it's not for certain Blaziken will make it to OU,because of all the new Fighters.

Though the Ability may just be enough for him to seperate from the rest.If Blaziken becomes better than the Monkey, than OU might just be possible.
 
I think this will be consistently great, probably ou, what with all the new toys it gets. Yes, there will be things that counter it, but the same can be said for even the most used Pokemon. Look at Heatran and Mence. I just hope that it doesn't get over-hyped and ergo disappoints. Still, what with the apparent shift to slower, immensely powerful Pokemon I can see super fast Blazikens being very, very useful in destroying these Pokemon, like Shanderaa.

Bullet/sucker punch resist, HJK, Swords Dance, Flare Blitz, Cheer Up, Claw Sharpen, Nitro Charge and of course Speed Boost. The king of chickens may finally be back.

Anyway. Here are two sets I can see being useful.

Swords Dance
Speed Boost
Life Orb/Focus Sash
Adamant, 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Swords Dance (duh)
Flare Blitz
Hi Jump Kick
Stone Edge/Shadow Claw/Quck Attack

Self explanatory, really. Brute, massive overwhelming power, with the choice of which move for the final slot being game deciding. Shanderaa is crushed by the first 2 (se/sc) look at it, but SE for dragons and Dos, SC for things like Slowbro, Quick Attack to hurt priority users (but not ES, with it's newly increased priority).

Cheer Up
Speed Boost
Life Orb
Rash/Mild, 252 SpA, 252 Speed, 6HP
Cheer Up,
Fire Blast,
Superpower,
Solarbeam

I don't know how so many have overlooked Cheer up (boosts both offenses). This set has it's obvious flaws, but it's just off the top of my head and I'm sure some ubergenius will fix the flaws in time.

For other toys, I wonder if Nitro Charge+blaze+Choice band/SD would be viable.
 
Personally, I think that the best SD set would be

Swords Dance
Speed Boost
Life Orb
Adamant, 252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
Swords Dance
Blaze Kick
Hi Jump Kick
Stone Edge/Shadow Claw/Quck Attack

The fact of the matter is, in almost every situation where it matters, blaze kick is a OHKO, or close enough for almost any entry hazard and/or residual damage to make it one. i.e., Gliscor and Desukan are KO'd with SR and one layer of spikes. Even though personally I'm pro a SR clause, that's neither here nor there. You won't kill yourself like flare blitz, so your sweep will actually go somewhere, rather than getting 2-3 KOs and then dying.
 
For anyone who's asking, the elemental punches are NOT tutor moves as of b/w. The only tutor moves are Draco meteor, and a bunch of starter only moves (the hyper beam clones and the Oaths).
 
I am soo glad for speed boost!

I already use Blaziken as a lead on my OU team and it works quite nicely

Blaziken - Modest @ Focus Sash
EVs 252 Spa 252 Spe
- Fire Blast
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power - Grass
- Vacuum Wave

This Set only falls short of Accuracy, but my Blaziken Loves me!
In any event it Pwns most common leads - Azelf/Aerodactyl [due to priority] Swampert [HP Grass] Metagross/Jirachi [Fire] Even standard Infernapes get Pwnd

Speed boost Only makes it worst and allows blaziken to come in late game without choise items and destroy all! You could probably get at least two KO's with a standard SD set with Blaze Kick/Superpower/Thunderpunch but due to your lack of bulk priority attackers pwn you--- welll maybe not All i have to say is Blaziken FTW! <3 Yay!! I always had faith in the Combat Chicken!
 
Also, something I did forget to mention, Blaziken is a frakin kickboxing chicken, that's on fire. I sometimes question its validity due to it's lackluster speed and defenses, but any criticisms are instantly overshadowed by the fact that it's a frakin kickboxing chicken, that's on fire. Now it's a Kickboxing chicken on Frakin Speed... that's on fire.

Awesome.
 
Blaziken with Speed Boost=awesome. While it's not unstoppable it's definitely gonna kick (nice pun huh?) ass.

My favorite poke who's always been outclassed by Ape now has the shine :D
 
I think Close Combat should at least get a mention. Mostly because some people (lik me) have such bad luck that 90% accuracy looks more like 70%-. It really tempts me to use wide lens that someone else said previously.
 
Blaziken doesn't learn Close Combat.

Guys, if you're going to post here try and actually contribute something to the discussion. I'm sure you love Blaziken very much but it's hardly relevant.
 
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