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Blaziken

If he gets CC, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't, for some random reason. Also, CC is worse than Hi Jump Kick. With HJC, you have a 1/10 chance to kill yourself, CC WILL kill you. No matter how fast you are, at -2, priority spells doom.

And sorry Lee, couldn't help myself.
 
True, I'm just tired of missing every other attack when I got 90 accuracy. Also sorry Lee, I forgot the chicken doesn't get close combat, my bad.
 
A claw sharpen set needs to be made standard. With claw sharpen, you can boost your attack and HJK's undesirable accuracy. I can foresee this set causing a lot of devastation.

Blaziken
Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
-Flare Blitz / Fire Punch
-Hi Jump Kick
-Claw Sharpen
-Hidden power grass / Stone Edge
 
PK Gaming said:
A claw sharpen set needs to be made standard. With claw sharpen, you can boost your attack and HJK's undesirable accuracy. I can foresee this set causing a lot of devastation.

Blaziken
Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
-Flare Blitz / Fire Punch
-Hi Jump Kick
-Claw Sharpen
-Hidden power grass / Stone Edge
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That's not a bad idea, but why do you not have Blaze kick over fire punch? more base power, a better secondary effect, and no loss due to claw sharpen.
 
PK Gaming said:
A claw sharpen set needs to be made standard. With claw sharpen, you can boost your attack and HJK's undesirable accuracy. I can foresee this set causing a lot of devastation.

Blaziken
Adamant
252 Atk / 252 Spe / 4 Def
-Flare Blitz
-Hi Jump Kick
-Claw Sharpen
-Hidden power grass / Fire Punch
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Claw Sharpen + Hi Jump Kick = Terror.

You need something like Night Slash for Shandera (I know, Egg move). Screw HP Grass. Hi Jump Kick Swampert in the face.

Santa_Clauz said:
That's not a bad idea, but why do you not have Blaze kick over fire punch? more base power, a better secondary effect, and no loss due to claw sharpen.
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Blaze Kick over Flare Blitz, I say.
 
love claw sharpen idea but hate the 2 fire attacks needs better coverage imo like throwing in a rock type move or trying to add in a solarbeam with the old ninetales support to own the aqua typs that are ever so arrogant. possiblly the obvious need for a rock or ghost to kill the scary new shanderaa.

but i think a protect still counts as a miss and will still cause massive recoil right?
 
Elfam said:
love claw sharpen idea but hate the 2 fire attacks needs better coverage imo like throwing in a rock type move or trying to add in a solarbeam with the old ninetales support to own the aqua typs that are ever so arrogant. possiblly the obvious need for a rock or ghost to kill the scary new shanderaa.

but i think a protect still counts as a miss and will still cause massive recoil right?
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Would it? because no damage is done, and I have had moves miss and protect not activate, so I think hitting is determined first.

Also, while I don't mind the idea of claw sharpen, Blaziken lacks the power of the SD set, and being as fragile as he is, he CANNOT afford a 2 turn set up. I would rather crash and burn occasionally than get drowned constantly, because I couldn't muscle my way through a wall. I used a NPape a while back, with Fire AND Focus blast, and it worked fine. Sure, it missed sometimes, but it was ok, most of the time it hit.
 
no duh stone edge should definitely be used here then u have great acc for an awesome attack

also i feel like hjk will die out of popularity unless u become an awesome predicter and know ur opponents team really well
 
doomvendingmachine said:
both protect and attacking ghost types count as misses for hjk.
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Well that's one way to stop Blaziken.

If he doesn't kill himself as Shandera switches in, Shadow Claw/Night Slash will handle it.

But geez...

Elfam said:
no duh stone edge should definitely be used here then u have great acc for an awesome attack
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Great Idea. IMO Blaze Kick, HJK, Stone Edge is the combo. Flare Blitzing with LO is riskier, but much deadlier.
 
luckily hjk is capped at 50% damage but i feel like he doesnt need a LO to add to recoil but dont know what else he should use
 
damm that is very important to know... lol so protect is the ultimate offensive move now?
okay im much happier about this really because the fact that protect can killl him almost gaurantees a lack of uber status meaning we can prob use this beast in ou
 
doomvendingmachine said:
It is not capped at 50% damage, it is capped at 50% of your opponent's hp. This could lead to some VERY dangerous mind games versus protect blissey.
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At least she can't switch in on him. Protecting Blissey could feasibly make Blaziken OHKO itself. Of course, Flare Blitzing Blissey can also result in doom. Blaze Kick is the safest route.
 
Elfam said:
damm that is very important to know... lol so protect is the ultimate offensive move now?
okay im much happier about this really because the fact that protect can killl him almost gaurantees a lack of uber status meaning we can prob use this beast in ou
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It isnt really THAT important except versus blissey and her insane hp. For example, earlier lee told me that a miss versus the standard protect vaporeon would take away slighty over 1/3 of your hp. Painful, but not crippling. On the other hand its possible to self ko yourself versus blissey. Blissey beating a blazkien would not only be lulz worthy, it would be possible.
 
i feel like blaziken needs a spec move somewhere, but the main walls of this gen are still severely hurt by him but v a max def gliscor and a cs blaze can only do about 49-57% with blaze kick and LO. so he needs life orb and obviously wouldnt secure an OHKO with flare blitz but im just wonder what kind of iv spread u imagine him having?

thanks for the hjk stats, but still saying it is very crippling to lose 33% for a miss, 10% for a hit 13% for maybe sr. leaves blaziken with very weak sweeping power... ad in sandstorm and he loses about a 1/4 when switches in and cs. this is enough to for me to securely beleive that he wont obtain uber status
 
Can Blaziken afford to run only Blaze Kick or Stone Edge? Because if you run protect on the set, you can scout for enemy protects (and it allows you to get another Speed boost up), and then HJK after they have used it once, leaving a very small chance of them successfully blocking it.
 
Nanoswine said:
Can Blaziken afford to run only Blaze Kick or Stone Edge? Because if you run protect on the set, you can scout for enemy protects (and it allows you to get another Speed boost up), and then HJK after they have used it once, leaving a very small chance of them successfully blocking it.
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In that case, Substitute > Protect. If you can get up a Substitute on a predicted Protect, you can knock them out and have a Sub up with +2 Attack/Speed. You also protect yourself from Intimidate on the switch in.
 
ideally i feel like blaziken needs to remain a trump card u keep hidden until late game where you have seen most of their pokemon... then u can leisurely lure out the type u want him to force out keeping in mind any scarfers they have. by doing so u successfully secure a cs and a speed boost taking him close to 390 speed if u chose adamant with heavy speed invest ment allowing him enough speed for the majority of the metagame, but blazikens main counter will prob be a bulky typed ground or water type(swamperts comes to mind)

but i dont think sub or protect is a good idea.. he needs variety in order to be an epic killer and honestly losing a slot probably bumps his status below infernape if he lacks proper coverage... but i definitely feel like the physical version will be much more popular(at least at first)
 
I dunno blasphemy, Sub + LO sucks at the best of times and Blaziken -needs- Life Orb (one could argue he is one of the best users of Life Orb on the entire game). And I also think Blaziken forces enough switches for Protect to be a mostly wasted moveslot. This isn't Ninjask we're talking about here.

I still say the set I posted in the OP is gonna be the standard once people realise there are far better late game sweepers than SDBlaziken. Unfortunately I've since realised that Stone Edge isn't a TM and will most likely be illegal with Speed Boost so looks like Rock Slide gets the nod. It's a big drop in power but the flinch rate has good synergy with Speed Boost.
 
tms can be passed through eggs though right? what about dreamworld abilities?

ps: didnt mean to double post sorry
 
I'm surprised a Cheer Up set has not been mentioned more. It goes perfectly well with Blaziken's new found Speed Boost, and mix attacking capabilities. You're losing a slight bit of coverage that would be found with a four attack set, but late in a match resisted Hi Jump Kicks / Fire Blast can cut through opponents regardless.
 
Elfam said:
i feel like blaziken needs a spec move somewhere, but the main walls of this gen are still severely hurt by him but v a max def gliscor and a cs blaze can only do about 49-57% with blaze kick and LO.
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Thing is, no one runs max Def on Gliscor. It's always Jolly with 4 EVs in Def. Against this, Blaziken will always OHKO with a +2 LO Flare Blitz, so he actually does well against it. However, based on these calcs now, I predict Blazikin will have to be one of those suicidal sweepers.

Though, a mixed Cheer up set may be the future for blaziken, as with Speed boost buffing it, it can afford to invest on both sides of the spectrum, ideally coming in on a locked pursuit or something, and taking the turn to either sub or use cheer up. If it subs it can get +1/+1/+2, effectively outspeeding just about everything, and killing a lot.

Also looking back at Lee's set, that does seem pretty nice, though something worth noting, you should pretty much always use HJK when you think your opponent will switch, as the pokemon Lee compared Fire Blast against actually take more from HJK, even though you risk hurting yourself. Also, Neutral HJK does more than SE hidden power, just something to keep in mind.
 
yeah cheer up could be handy but i feel like there are going to be a lot of variation for this guy and using a mix set with claw sharpen fire blast(now with good acc), hjk, wild card move will be a standard and i want to try a set with solarbeam on a 9tales team
 
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