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Okay, I need some basic help on RNG captures. (i can RNG hatching no problem [ for IVs and Shinyness] ). What Method do I use, how do i figure out what frame i'm on?

I can help you more indepthly through either PM's or VM's if you'd like. But to start you off.
Firstly, what game are you capturing on determines what method you use. Method J is DPPt, K is HGSS. Method 1 is for either.
Frame works the same as the Egg IV's part, just call so many times to advance your frame. Just a bit different with captures, but mainly depends on where you're capturing at, or who you are capturing.
For instance standing legends usually have a frame of 1. Meaning you call 1 frame behind your target, but the roamers have different frames.
With wild poke captures, you're going to need a Synchronize Poke, such as Ralts or Mew, having the nature you're going to want to capture the wild poke for. Also a Poke with Sweet Scent, nature doesn't matter, level doesn't either just has to know Sweet Scent.

Also an important note to think about, captures are a lot more difficult to find shinies with good IV spreads as you only use 1 seed rather than 2 like with breeding. So you must have a good ID/SID combo for good nature + IV's + Shiniess. As your ID/SID determine shiny.

If you have any further questions, you can PM or VM as stated above, I can capture both in DPPt and HGSS, so I'd be glad to lend you some help.
 
How am I supposed to RNG pokémon like Lugia, Mewtwo, Rayquaza and Kyogre in Heart Gold if I can't call inside their caves?
 
Or, as you say, just by walking (though make sure you have the right number of Pokémon in your party before you begin.) The surfing and walking in Lugia's cave give the same number of advancements (that is, 1 per party member every 256 steps... is that right?) as you can't catch any Pokémon there, in the water or out of it.
 
Or, as you say, just by walking (though make sure you have the right number of Pokémon in your party before you begin.) The surfing and walking in Lugia's cave give the same number of advancements (that is, 1 per party member every 256 steps... is that right?) as you can't catch any Pokémon there, in the water or out of it.
it's 128 steps, everything else is right
 
With regards to Lugia/Ho-oh, does walking inside the cave/up the ladder advance the frame or no, since you're walking into a "quiet zone"? If I called from outside their chambers, and then walked in, how many frames would I advance?
 
so when I'll try to RNG Lugia I need to verify my seed by calling elm outside the cave then enter the cave and then walk to Lugia which makes me advance 1 frame every 128 steps for each pokémon I carry with me?
 
Rocket Boss Giovanni: Elm call works with Ho-Oh so I don't see why you would do it for that. With Lugia, if you have roamers out, then you can verify your delay that way (I wouldn't trust one or two, but all three is a pretty good indicator). Anyways, with Lugia, you can verify right outside the cave and take a step inside.

T4lel: Yes, that's correct. Don't miscount :P
 
So for example, I need to advance 70 frames before the encounter;
9 elm calls to verify (9 frames), then 3904 steps (since I'll carry 2 pokémon) inside the cave till I'm in front of lugia and then encounter.

Another question, does surfing advance the frame by 1 or more? I mean when you go from walking to surfing when you use the HM and the thingy with your pokémon appears, and do following pokémon also advance frames? :nerd:
 
I'm not sure about surfing, I wouldn't think so, but maybe someone else can confirm this.
That and you're going it the hard way for sure with that many steps. Ultimately, you should only walk 128steps.

If you're already outside the cave, then why not just advance the frame to minus the number of party pokemon from your target frame? For example, if your target is 80, then why not advance the frame to 80-party pokemon. Reason is so you enter and only have to the minimum number of steps as opposed to your 3904 :P
 
@Bakus, does taking that step inside adversely affect my RNG frame? For sake of example if I needed frame 15 and I called Elm 14 times (like I normally would) would taking that step into Lugia's chamber affect my frame again? (Meaning should I only call Elm 13 times to compensate). I'm just clarifying.
 
I don't think so if you're located right on the cave entrance where no wild encounters can occur. I did my Lugia with roamers, so I can't directly confirm this. Only speculation.
 
is it true that since all i have been hitting are even delays, if i want to hit odd delays i have to change the year to 2009 or 2011?
 
I have a question regarding the timers:

The javascript timer goes by a straight forward 1/60 incrementation with rounding to calculate the time for delay, but pika timer does not (depends on your calibration frames/seconds, and I'm not sure what it is doing there). If I wanted to make my own timer, could I just use the straight forward approach for the second timer? I'm just confused as to how you could have different times to achieve the same delay.
 
I'm wondering the following, do you guys think it'll be possible to get a shiny egg with perfect iv's if you use a non-foreign flawless ditto and a parrent with about 1-2 perfect iv's?
 
I have a unique problem. I normally RNG breed with the proper nature Ditto and it is holding an Everstone. When I do this I always get the right nature but if I don't have the Ditto hold the Everstone then I always get the wrong nature. As a note, I use an American Ditto with an American SS game. The reason I say this is that I have heard that having the Ditto hold the Everstone is suppose to mess up the RNG and that we aren't suppose to use it.

If this is true, why do I never get the right nature/ability when I RNG without one?


Another question, does surfing advance the frame by 1 or more? I mean when you go from walking to surfing when you use the HM and the thingy with your pokémon appears, and do following pokémon also advance frames? :nerd:


I know for sure that surfing doesn't advance the frame, in and of itself. However, when you go from standing on the ground to floating in the water (surfing), that counts as a step so if you were at step 127 and you used surf you would be at step 128 and then you would advance the frame...otherwise don't worry about it.

Also, RNGing Lugia is cake, just calibrate your frame by starting your game from a save just outside the cave before Lugia. Then, as if you were to RNG and instead of worrying about what frame your on just go capture Lugia. Check what seed you got and then see what frame it was for the IVs of that particular Lugia. Then you will know how many frames you will advance from walking to Lugia from the entrance of his cave. Otherwise, you just use Elm calls from outside the cave like normal...
 
I'm wondering the following, do you guys think it'll be possible to get a shiny egg with perfect iv's if you use a non-foreign flawless ditto and a parrent with about 1-2 perfect iv's?

Yep, pretty easily. You could even use a parent with no decent IVs at all and a flawless Ditto.
 
Yes, or try inserting a GBA game while using the same year (2010 I assume).
i just realized on the RNG reporter once i change the year the target seed will change from even to odd too, so i have to have a GBA game to get Odds in 2010.

when you say GBA game, can any GBA game do it or do i have to have a 3rd gen pokemon cart?
 
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