Most Generation PRNG Help / Information

riddlinkid said:
Honestly I doubt that it is a turn that is advancing it four. From what I have seen in many different areas (marts, routes, caves etc.) is that a single turn is always a 1 frame advance. However, an NPC can also advance frames without actually moving :/ I'm going to guess that's what's happening here. That's why I do it the way I posted above, as it keeps those weird frame advances to a minimum. And yeah, NPC movements vary with every delay/seed (they might even be completely random I'm not totally sure), so they're pretty annoying to try to keep track of.
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Well it's not like I'm just guessing the number of 4, and I couldn't do it your way because It was an odd frame and it required a turn since he kept advancing it evenly. The way my seed worked was as soon as I entered the game, he turned before I could even blink. So, in order to find out how much frame advancement was being done after his turn, all I did was reset, enter the game and let him turn, then sweet scent without any journal flips. With the pokemon I caught, I was able to tell what frame I landed on and with a frame of 17, all I had to do is turn as soon as he turned, and there you go.

Now what I still want to know is without turning pages, would I still land on the same frame with another seed in that route?
 
JRT said:
Well it's not like I'm just guessing the number of 4, and I couldn't do it your way because It was an odd frame and it required a turn since he kept advancing it evenly. The way my seed worked was as soon as I entered the game, he turned before I could even blink. So, in order to find out how much frame advancement was being done after his turn, all I did was reset, enter the game and let him turn, then sweet scent without any journal flips. With the pokemon I caught, I was able to tell what frame I landed on and with a frame of 17, all I had to do is turn as soon as he turned, and there you go.

Now what I still want to know is without turning pages, would I still land on the same frame with another seed in that route?
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Oh I know you're not guessing, you obviously tested and found out how much advancement was being done from the time you got into the game until the time you sweet scented, which is the best way to go about it. As for your question, probably not. An NPC moves differently for each seed, and it also differs depending on when you save. I'm sure that some seeds would have a similar first movement, but there will be some where there would no movement/advancement, some with a turn, and some without any movement but it advances the frame anyway. In your situation I would have tried to save again at a point where the NPC didn't move right away when I was going from the journal to sweet scenting.
 
Great thread, I just RNG'd myself a shiny Latias on HeartGold using the Elite Four respawn method and a single roaming Entei to verify my seed before fighting Lance.

While I'm on the subject, I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention a possible fact that I learned from trying to RNG this shiny Latias. It appears that it's impossible to get a shiny roaming Lati@s when releasing it from Vermilion City. All my trials ended on a frame either one short or one over my desired shiny frame, with a calibrated frame advancement of 7 (i.e. it jumped 8 frames whenever it should have landed on the shiny frame). Additionally, someone who uploaded this video on youtube comments that the only way to get a roaming Lati@s to be shiny is through the Elite Four respawn method.

If this is common knowledge here, disregard this post and might I only suggest that the roaming Lati@s section of the second post be given a little disclaimer warning against RNGing for a shiny one when first releasing it from Vermilion?
 
reaverz said:
Great thread, I just RNG'd myself a shiny Latias on HeartGold using the Elite Four respawn method and a single roaming Entei to verify my seed before fighting Lance.

While I'm on the subject, I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention a possible fact that I learned from trying to RNG this shiny Latias. It appears that it's impossible to get a shiny roaming Lati@s when releasing it from Vermilion City. All my trials ended on a frame either one short or one over my desired shiny frame, with a calibrated frame advancement of 7 (i.e. it jumped 8 frames whenever it should have landed on the shiny frame). Additionally, someone who uploaded this video on youtube comments that the only way to get a roaming Lati@s to be shiny is through the Elite Four respawn method.

If this is common knowledge here, disregard this post and might I only suggest that the roaming Lati@s section of the second post be given a little disclaimer warning against RNGing for a shiny one when first releasing it from Vermilion?
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thanks for going through the trouble but people have gotten shiny roaming lati@s from there, it's just certain frames for specific seed that are impossible to hit not that it is completely impossible to abuse the Lati@s from there.
 
Nexus said:
thanks for going through the trouble but people have gotten shiny roaming lati@s from there, it's just certain frames for specific seed that are impossible to hit not that it is completely impossible to abuse the Lati@s from there.
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Is that so? That's really odd... is there a pattern to which frames it can't hit?
 
reaverz said:
Is that so? That's really odd... is there a pattern to which frames it can't hit?
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It really just depends on when you've entered the building before saving. The NPCs will have a set pattern of movements for each delay, so if you have a low frame they could advance you past it without you even doing anything. All you really have to do is have a frame that's not extremely low (like <10) and do one calibration phase to see how far the NPCs advance the frame when you leave the building. You can then adjust and hit your target frame just fine the next time you hit your delay (at least it worked twice for me).
 
hey guys im on the last step of rng'ing for a perfect egg

im using the emloop timer to synchronize my time 1 minute before my target time
target time = 7:00:14
sync time = 6:59:00

however when i set the emloop timer to 60 seconds it seems that the hand on my ds clock reaches the next minute (7:00:00) just a little bit after the 60 seconds on the emloop timer is up.

what should i do?
i set the time to 60.14 cus that seems to let the ds clock hand and emloop timer reach the next min at around the same time but i don't want to guess...
 
I think you can adjust Emloop based on your adjacent delay, if I recall correctly. You just need to add the delay difference onto your original delay time if you're early, or subtract the difference from your original delay time if you're arriving in the game late.
 
It's been years that I posted here so hi all. >:3

So, I suddenly felt like breeding again (mainly because of me wanting to finish the Battle Tower and what not) and if there's one thing I truly want, it's a few Shiny Pokémon in Emerald.

I read that there's no known way to breed shinies (other then random luck while locking into an egg) and I was wondering if anyone has found news about this? I don't really feel like saving and locking eggs x the amount of random eggs I need to get it to be shiny + nature if there's an 'somewhat easier' method for it. :3

I'm still verily able to breed stuff, this morning I bred a flawless Meditite and Nincada in a couple of minutes. XD

<3
 
It's been years that I posted here so hi all. >:3

So, I suddenly felt like breeding again (mainly because of me wanting to finish the Battle Tower and what not) and if there's one thing I truly want, it's a few Shiny Pokémon in Emerald.

I read that there's no known way to breed shinies (other then random luck while locking into an egg) and I was wondering if anyone has found news about this? I don't really feel like saving and locking eggs x the amount of random eggs I need to get it to be shiny + nature if there's an 'somewhat easier' method for it. :3

I'm still verily able to breed stuff, this morning I bred a flawless Meditite and Nincada in a couple of minutes. XD

<3
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try RNG?
 
I want to time my seconds and delay correctly for ID/SID abuse, but I don't know what screen I should be starting my time on, and what timer I should start with. I know how to RNG properly, but not how to abuse the ID/SID yet.

I know that I have to press A when Oak says "See you Later!" and when the second timer ends, but I just don't know what screen to start at and what timer to start with.
 
If i start the game ready to capture and the journal before entering shows a captured pokemon does that count as a frame advance?
 
Well, from what I looked at on the guide, these are what advance the frames, right?

Raikou: 1
Pokemon Music: 1 frame, sometimes none - inconsistent Upper-left
Youngster Joey: 2
clicking on suicune: 1

And calling prof. elm is only to check to see if you got the right delays and calling him doesn't advance the frame, correct?

(unless if I'm mistaking)
 
Diabolico said:
Well, from what I looked at on the guide, these are what advance the frames, right?

Raikou: 1
Pokemon Music: 1 frame, sometimes none - inconsistent Upper-left
Youngster Joey: 2
clicking on suicune: 1

And calling prof. elm is only to check to see if you got the right delays and calling him doesn't advance the frame, correct?

(unless if I'm mistaking)
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Calling Elm advances the frame by one. If your desired frame is, for example, 18, you can call Elm until you reach frame 17 and then talk to Suicune to get your desired frame.
 
Roz said:
Calling Elm advances the frame by one. If your desired frame is, for example, 18, you can call Elm until you reach frame 17 and then talk to Suicune to get your desired frame.
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okay, but my frame is "4". So how do i check to see if I hit the right delays?
 
Diabolico said:
okay, but my frame is "4". So how do i check to see if I hit the right delays?
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You can verify your delay with the roamers. In the Seed to Time function of the RNG, you can input the roamers location in the Search Roamers tab to verify what delay you hit.
 
Roz said:
You can verify your delay with the roamers. In the Seed to Time function of the RNG, you can input the roamers location in the Search Roamers tab to verify what delay you hit.
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okay. Since I haven't captured raikou that means it will advance the frame by 1, right?
 
ok a couple of questions. i am using pika timer now

for calibrated delay i left it as 600 (like instructions said)
my wanted delay is 628
calibrated second is left at 14 (like instructions said)
wanted second i used 14 because that's the second i need to hit in my target time (7:00:14). is that 14 sec right?

all right now when i hit continue on the game i get the journal. now the first page says i captured a pokemon. does that mean my frame is automatically advanced by 2?

my current frame is 5 and my target frame is also 5
so. . .
5-5 = 0
0/2 = 0

meaning i should not do any journal flips right?

someone? anyone? help?
 
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