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Ok, I'm back with one last question for the day.

So now I've got my shiny egg, so I'm gonna try for the IVs. I need a delay of 597, target time of 16:00:14, and Frame 13. So basically, once I get into the game to check my responses, if they match up, does that mean that every time I've called Elm, the frame has advanced by one? Also, since my frame is 13, should I keep calling Elm until I get to Frame 13, or until I get to frame 12? (i.e. I get to frame 12/13, exit the pokegear, and quickly talk to the DC man).

Thanks.
 
Hey guys. So, I'm RNG breeding (SoulSilver) for a Numel. On the VERY FIRST TRY I hit the Shiny egg delay now I go to hit THE SAME DELAY for my IV's and I've been at it for an hour. Now, this is the second time it's happened to me (all on the same Numel) and I don't know if it's just bad luck or my frames are advanced too far when I DO hit my seed that it doesn't matter or what. Thanks if any advice (maybe I just suck at RNG'ing?)
 
Princess of Johto said:
Ok, I'm back with one last question for the day.

So now I've got my shiny egg, so I'm gonna try for the IVs. I need a delay of 597, target time of 16:00:14, and Frame 13. So basically, once I get into the game to check my responses, if they match up, does that mean that every time I've called Elm, the frame has advanced by one? Also, since my frame is 13, should I keep calling Elm until I get to Frame 13, or until I get to frame 12? (i.e. I get to frame 12/13, exit the pokegear, and quickly talk to the DC man).

Thanks.
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Yes to all. As far as which one you advance to, you go until you've passed frame 12. As in, you've received the response that is on the 12th frame. This puts you on the 13th. Hope that makes sense.

@teespice
Not entirely sure what you're asking. If you're using pikatimer, add half a second to the first timer and see if that helps.
 
mattj said:
I spent like 8 days resetting on 30-40 different arbitrary seconds to see what seeds I commonly got on those Date/Times. I then ran those seeds through the Researcher in the RNG Reporter to generate a rediculously long list of "IV frames". Base Egg IVs are on frames 8-13 (in order) for the first egg (as long as you don't walk much, or withdraw any mons from the PC). Here's just one arbitrary result:

MTIVRNG Seed: 9757ecef
IV Frames: 8-13
Base Egg IVS: 30 / 26 / 30 / 28 / 25 / 31

This is a quick, easy, consistent seed I happened to stumble upon that gives 2 30s and a 31. Now, the RMNPCs all screw around with your inheritance, but you can "usually" have a little say in that if you use power items. At this point, our understanding of power items "seems" to be that they have a 50% chance of jumping to the next PID/Inheritance (they seem to be tied) Frame that fits the Power Item. So, when I want babies that are:
30 / X / 30 / A / A / 31
I put a flawless ditto (or a flawless RNG Capture) in the daycare with either a SAtk or SDef Power Item and a parent with an everstone with the proper nature. I then start resetting on that seed (Date/Time) and varying the time before I pick up the egg (watching the spinning mons as a guage, or using a stopwatch). After a few resets, I usually stumble across an amount of seconds before picking up the egg that gives the inherited IVs necissary for my wants. Most of the time the PID is what I want too, because of the everstone, but when it isn't, I just have to keep checking different amounts of time before picking up the egg until I DO get what I want. You can also switch the power item to something different, and will usually "sway" the egg inheritance/PID toward something else, that can be useful if you're not seeing the result you want.
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How do you figure out what seed your on? Also what is the purpose of using the researcher function?
 
sandman said:
How do you figure out what seed your on? Also what is the purpose of using the researcher function?
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You have to be more specific. The seed is determined by a calculation involving the time and date. You can use the seed to stats function to determine what your seed is. Otherwise, you don't figure out what it is as much as you confirm it. Each version has a different way of confirming the seed.

The purpose of the researcher function is just that, research. There are still a lot of things that are unknown. The researcher is there for adventurous people to figure these things out.
 
ToastPlusOne said:
You have to be more specific. The seed is determined by a calculation involving the time and date. You can use the seed to stats function to determine what your seed is. Otherwise, you don't figure out what it is as much as you confirm it. Each version has a different way of confirming the seed.

The purpose of the researcher function is just that, research. There are still a lot of things that are unknown. The researcher is there for adventurous people to figure these things out.
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For black and white, the seed you get when you press start on the AR. Could i then enter the seed into the rng reporter and get the underlying ivs instead of having to reset again and wait a few secs to find the IVs?
 
sandman said:
For black and white, the seed you get when you press start on the AR. Could i then enter the seed into the rng reporter and get the underlying ivs instead of having to reset again and wait a few secs to find the IVs?
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It was my understanding that the RNGReporter doesn't support 64 bit seeds yet which is what B/W uses. I can't say 100% for certain though since I haven't been on the research thread for a while. Maybe ask someone doing the research?
 
Teespice said:
@toast:

what will adding a half second accomplish, other than throwing off the timer?
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It wont throw it off. I wouldn't tell you to do something that would throw it off. It wouldn't make any sense. It will help to make sure that when you hit the correct delay, you're also hitting the correct second. The way Pikatimer works, it's normally a 50/50 split between the correct second and the one before it.

When you do hit it, you say you're not hitting the right frame, correct? Also, when you do hit the correct seed, watch where your first response is in the list that is given in the RNG Reporter. It'll help you keep track of what frame you're on so you don't go past your target.
 
.com said:
@Zorrioh:
I'm using RNGReporter 8.31. Although I'm running it through Mono on a Mac (can't see why that would make a difference though).
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That's the same version I've got, and I checked again, it gave me 4 and 3, not 4 and 2 like yours. So that's weird. lol Being on a Mac shouldn't make a difference I'd think. Maybe it just posted the info wrong or something... like I said I'm going to try a new seed and see what I can get.

One last question before I try again, how does having someone check your SID work?
 
@Zorrioh:
The normal way for someone to check your SID is to trade it with someone who has access to their .sav file (or at least to .pkm files), they then view it with some application, which will display the SID, and then they tell you the result.
Again, weird that we'd get different results using RNG Reporter. Ah well. Good luck with the next one :)
 
So, few questions.

I'm trying to RNG a Timid Latios in HG from a legit Enigma Stone. I've found a nice spread, frame is 62 and the delay I want to hit is 2504. I'm nearly there (Ruby inserted for even delays), but I haven't hit it yet. But if I do hit the delay, then what?

I use the Search Elm button on the RNG reporter, then I've had the first 12 calls. So then I have to do 49 more calls which make a total of 61, and then talk to the Pokémon I want to catch?
 
Buckert: You shouldn't have to physically count how many frames you need to advance. Let RNG Reporter do it for you. Once you hit your delay, you can exit out of seeds to time and in the main window of RNG Reporter (upon entering your seed and selecting Method K) hit generate. Scroll down to frame 62 to verify that your spread is there. From there, just call elm and slowly move down the list until you're on 62 but not call yet. ie if the results are: E P K E E P
The last P is 62 you would call until you got E P K E E landing you on frame 62.

You can read Riski's Guide "Pehu's quote" for pictures :)
 
Fenix54 said:
-did sweet scenting on a bike advance the frame by 1 on hgss?
-how can i advance the frame where the radio doesn't work?
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If you can't use the radio, call Elm (each call will advance the frame by 1 or) or Joey (each call will advance the frame by 2).
 
Bakus said:
Buckert: You shouldn't have to physically count how many frames you need to advance. Let RNG Reporter do it for you. Once you hit your delay, you can exit out of seeds to time and in the main window of RNG Reporter (upon entering your seed and selecting Method K) hit generate. Scroll down to frame 62 to verify that your spread is there. From there, just call elm and slowly move down the list until you're on 62 but not call yet. ie if the results are: E P K E E P
The last P is 62 you would call until you got E P K E E landing you on frame 62.

You can read Riski's Guide "Pehu's quote" for pictures :)
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Ok, thank you very much!
 
What is the most accurate way of hitting the delay with a device like pikatimer? I seem to click to early but never the same delay so I can't update (wouldn't help much anyway cause I always seem to click to early)it, any suggestions?
 
chihuahuaowner said:
What is the most accurate way of hitting the delay with a device like pikatimer? I seem to click to early but never the same delay so I can't update (wouldn't help much anyway cause I always seem to click to early)it, any suggestions?
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The best way is to just get the rhythm. If you're clicking early, just factor that in. Update your delay until you're hitting both above and below your delay. If you have that, you'll hit it eventually.

Are you watching the countdown or listening to the beeps? I've found that if I watch the timer, it makes me hit early because I'm anticipating it a little too much.
 
For those at all interested, it turns out my SID is (according to Giratina-man, someone who helped me get it) 32193. RNG reporter told me it was 32192 after I did the "Chain to SID", which is one number off. Does this happen very often or am I just really unlucky? XD Do you think I should have another person check it?

I guess that would explain all of my issues though, guess I'll just have to go for another seed with my new SID and see what happens. ;p
 
Zorrioh said:
For those at all interested, it turns out my SID is (according to Giratina-man, someone who helped me get it) 32193. RNG reporter told me it was 32192 after I did the "Chain to SID", which is one number off. Does this happen very often or am I just really unlucky? XD Do you think I should have another person check it?

I guess that would explain all of my issues though, guess I'll just have to go for another seed with my new SID and see what happens. ;p
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That wouldn't cause 2 different things from the same seed, but it would make them non-shiny. I suppose that it's also possible that if you typed in 1 number off in the chain to SID you could be 1 number off with the result. I don't know the calculation that goes into it though.
 
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