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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 2 - Who am I to break tradition?
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That's like saying we should ban Drizzle instead of Politoed because the latter can still be used without its ability (ps: it can't).
No, but then we'd ban Rankurusu, Rohbushin, Gigalith, etc just like we could ban Kingdra, Ludicolo, Manaphy instead of every Water-type pokémon...
Not really, with as powerful as some attackers are, wobbuffet can't do shit. If it tries to Encore a setup move, I'll just take it out. If it wants to mirror coat/counter I'll just set up.
Also, politoed can be used. It has a good support movepool, and it can still be a nice NU pokemon without drizzle
We don't have even OU defined and you want to talk about NU...
Wobbufett is ridiculously good. Worried about the scarfed pokemon countering your team's best sweeper? Wobbufett is guarenteed to kill them. Need another pokemon on your team to set up? That's also fine!
Nattorei? Set up fodder. Send in Wobb and proceed to win the game after the encore'd Nattorei (shed shell only sees real use in dream world) becomes set up fodder for shell break cloyster, SD Blaziken, etc...Encore nerf means very little when Encore is still giving you a free turn.
Nattorei? Set up fodder. Send in Wobb and proceed to win the game after the encore'd Nattorei (shed shell only sees real use in dream world) becomes set up fodder for shell break cloyster, SD Blaziken, etc...Encore nerf means very little when Encore is still giving you a free turn.
Using weather-moves won´t solve nothing, it can be even worse since you can´t use an auto-weather pokemon for finish the sweep of an weather-abuse opponent once it have changed the weather.
I do not get why everyone is complaining about Wobbufett. If he gets another can encore a pokemon on your that always a sweeper to set up, your not weak to Wobbufett, your weak to the sweep. He is very weak to status, no recovery and most pokemon hit too hard for him to be really effective. Look at specsdra, he can OHKO Wobbufett with some hazards. He is very good at killing Dittos in Dream World, but outside of that I think that pokemon hit too hard for him to work well. The addition of that herb thing that heals away all the damage he can do also is not good for his arguement for Ubers.
and you cant switch either, got para and then noobed by weobby encore spam and some hax, you cant status something that has you locked in a move, it is as broken as it was in gen 4
its stuff like this every time i modify my team, that spoils it, as these first battles are the ones that screw your rank over too much
its stuff like this every time i modify my team, that spoils it, as these first battles are the ones that screw your rank over too much
Ranking is rediculous. If you lose the first battle you did after the ladder was reset, it's impossible to get back up. I've set it to literally only battle people with 25 rating difference so I only get battles that won't rape my rating, they're generally +15/-16, stuff like that.
Well, he could try to stall out Sucker Punches 8 PP with switching around and Latias Recover, but besides that, yeah he doesn't fare that well.
I actually had a losing streak when I first started playing after the reset, but I've managed to get back on my feet just fine. Just try harder! ;)
Yeah, I hate how the risk to your rating is exactly the same no matter how long you battle. Basically, when you ladder, you're actually wasting the vast majority of that time. It's really demoralizing.
landlos should be banned under offensive characteristic that set leaves us COUNTERLESS to it. To my knowledge nothing can take +2 Sand Power EQs,so if SR is present and that thing get in even one SD,its game over pretty much. Remember Sala from Gen4? this is worse. Even Skarmory gets bashed around for about 80%,assuming it has take a little previous damage,congrats you just got OHKO'd. Especially at the higher rankings on PO's server,I'm rank 99 atm,this set
Landlos@LO
Jolly
252/252
_EQ
-HP:Ice
-SD
-Stone Edge
becomes very common
Landlos@LO
Jolly
252/252
_EQ
-HP:Ice
-SD
-Stone Edge
becomes very common
The problem with Randorosu is that he has to chose what he beats. He either has to choose Swords Dance to samsh Stall, but leave him weaker against offense, or chose Rock Polish to run through Offense, but lose all the wall smashing power from Swords Dance. A Double Dance set can get around that, but now Gliscor becomes a actual problem and Bronzong still utterly walls Randorosu.
um thats what you thinkSandstorm is surprisingly easy to set up with a say 4 poke core of Gliscor (M) @ Toxic OrbTrait: Poison HealEVs: 184 HP / 96 Atk / 228 DefImpish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)- Ice Fang- Protect- Earthquake- Swords Dance
Burungeru (M) @ LeftoversTrait: Water AbsorbEVs: 176 HP / 208 Def / 108 SDef / 16 SpdBold Nature (+Def, -Atk)- Recover- Boil Over- Trick Room- Ice Beam
Nattorei (M) @ Rugged HelmetTrait: Iron BarbsEVs: 192 HP / 192 Def / 124 SDefImpish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)- Power Whip- Spikes- Stealth Rock- Thunder Wave
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice BandTrait: Sand StreamEVs: 176 HP / 224 Atk / 108 SDefAdamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)- Pursuit- Stone Edge- Earthquake- Crunch
Please tell me how a rain team hopes to break this.you switch in Specs Kingdra for Draco meteor? I sacrifice some death fodder,and get in T-Tar,switch and bye bye Kingdra,there your most importan sweeper is gone.Ludicolo? Switch into Burungeru for Hydro Pumb,get rugged helmet+thorns damage by switching in Nattorei on the Grass Knot,basically its easy to make a condition for setting up the afore mentioned Landlos. Follow all this with a Gliscor for the inevitable fighting type. Also,You were saying specs-toed? if when were starting off with toed & tar,if he's faster I automatically KNOW hes an offensive varient and can plan accordingly. whreas if I'm faster......I rape him with CB Stone Edge,pretty simple really. Complete template with two sand-sweepers(you only really need landlos) and Leaderboard material team ready :/
Burungeru (M) @ LeftoversTrait: Water AbsorbEVs: 176 HP / 208 Def / 108 SDef / 16 SpdBold Nature (+Def, -Atk)- Recover- Boil Over- Trick Room- Ice Beam
Nattorei (M) @ Rugged HelmetTrait: Iron BarbsEVs: 192 HP / 192 Def / 124 SDefImpish Nature (+Def, -SAtk)- Power Whip- Spikes- Stealth Rock- Thunder Wave
Tyranitar (M) @ Choice BandTrait: Sand StreamEVs: 176 HP / 224 Atk / 108 SDefAdamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)- Pursuit- Stone Edge- Earthquake- Crunch
Please tell me how a rain team hopes to break this.you switch in Specs Kingdra for Draco meteor? I sacrifice some death fodder,and get in T-Tar,switch and bye bye Kingdra,there your most importan sweeper is gone.Ludicolo? Switch into Burungeru for Hydro Pumb,get rugged helmet+thorns damage by switching in Nattorei on the Grass Knot,basically its easy to make a condition for setting up the afore mentioned Landlos. Follow all this with a Gliscor for the inevitable fighting type. Also,You were saying specs-toed? if when were starting off with toed & tar,if he's faster I automatically KNOW hes an offensive varient and can plan accordingly. whreas if I'm faster......I rape him with CB Stone Edge,pretty simple really. Complete template with two sand-sweepers(you only really need landlos) and Leaderboard material team ready :/
Standard OU sucks now: Rain, Sand, Rain, Sand, Rain, Sand... non-weather teams do NOT stand a chance against the likes of Landlos/Doryuuzu and Manaphy/Kingdra (even if you pack Skarmory and Nattorei, they WILL break through). The rating system also doesn't help: first battles at ~1200, lose a few matches: 1050. Encouraging people to make alts is rediculous.
I don't even understand how making alts can get you a right to vote: it's basically cheating, since the mods completly ignore the previous defeats form the other accounts. It's like passing the same exam a second time and get 100%.
For the record: I haven't seen a team that doesn't abuse weather yet since Round 2; weather has become too dominant. Weather has one very important critera to be deemed Uber: it overcentralises the metagame.
tl;dr: Using alts should not be allowed and weather is overcentralising.
I don't even understand how making alts can get you a right to vote: it's basically cheating, since the mods completly ignore the previous defeats form the other accounts. It's like passing the same exam a second time and get 100%.
For the record: I haven't seen a team that doesn't abuse weather yet since Round 2; weather has become too dominant. Weather has one very important critera to be deemed Uber: it overcentralises the metagame.
tl;dr: Using alts should not be allowed and weather is overcentralising.
Lol... Trick room?
Also, you said the rugged helm/thorns for grass knot. Er... Those only work with contact moves, lol.
Also, why are you using trick room as an example? Spamming switchins just wastes TR, and landlos is waaay too fast for trick room.
Also, I don't abuse weather at all. I made a drizzle team last night, and hated using it, I felt way too cheap. I'm going back to my normal OU team.
This metagame is way too weather based. Once the suspect tests are done, hopefully weather teams will be a rarity.
Also, you said the rugged helm/thorns for grass knot. Er... Those only work with contact moves, lol.
Also, why are you using trick room as an example? Spamming switchins just wastes TR, and landlos is waaay too fast for trick room.
Also, I don't abuse weather at all. I made a drizzle team last night, and hated using it, I felt way too cheap. I'm going back to my normal OU team.
This metagame is way too weather based. Once the suspect tests are done, hopefully weather teams will be a rarity.
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