But, is Stoutland broken?
Stoutland has Sand Rush too, and not through the Dream World.
Stoutland has Sand Rush too, and not through the Dream World.
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np: OU Suspect Testing Round 2 - Who am I to break tradition?
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Probably not. It doesn't have the movepool. It lacks SD which I think is crucial. Like I've said regarding drizzle, it takes a combination of both speed and power to be broken, not one alone. Dory and sandslash have speed and can boost power with swords dance. Swift swim abusers have speed and either can boost like kabutops/kingdra/gorebyss/poliwrath etc or just rely on the power boost from rain boosted water attacks.
Stoutland has none of that. Its best attack is probably return which coming off 100 attack is pretty weak when unboosted. Other than that, it's probably gonna use crunch, fire fang and wild bolt none of which are that strong. In other words, it's too easy to wall and being fast alone doesn't do anything.
I doubt Stoutland will be broken. It's like Dragonite all over again except with worse defenses, worse typing/STAB, and no Dragon Dance. It gets Cheer Up, but that doesn't boost the speed stat that's so vital. No Fighting/Ground move for coverage bar Reversal, Dig, and Rock Smash lol. And I'm not sure of this but if it gets hurt from SS, then that just makes it suck even worse.
EDIT: Ninja'd and I thought it had Sand Power. My bad.
Just ban the individual abusers, and if all of them are rigged with the ability, then we ban the ability and let the abusers down.
I just thought of interesting things that Rain can do outside of Rain HO. How about Rain balance or anti-meta Rain? Why not? I can run Gyara/Vire, and both of them benefit, but they don't suck out of Rain either. I can run Rain to cockblock both Sand and Sun, while using it to patch up the weaknesses of my Steel members and to make my Pre-Evo stone walls better. I can use LO Starmie to beat stuff up. I CAN USE PARASECT TO BEAT RANKURUSU LOLOLOL
It's not like Swift Swim breaks everything that has it either. Once again, ban thee abusers one by one, then if each and every single one of them are broken with Swift Swim, then nuke Swift Swim and we can bring back all our abusers.
If you ban Drizzle, you're eliminating the chance for interesting things like that to come up.
EDIT: Ninja'd and I thought it had Sand Power. My bad.
Just ban the individual abusers, and if all of them are rigged with the ability, then we ban the ability and let the abusers down.
I just thought of interesting things that Rain can do outside of Rain HO. How about Rain balance or anti-meta Rain? Why not? I can run Gyara/Vire, and both of them benefit, but they don't suck out of Rain either. I can run Rain to cockblock both Sand and Sun, while using it to patch up the weaknesses of my Steel members and to make my Pre-Evo stone walls better. I can use LO Starmie to beat stuff up. I CAN USE PARASECT TO BEAT RANKURUSU LOLOLOL
It's not like Swift Swim breaks everything that has it either. Once again, ban thee abusers one by one, then if each and every single one of them are broken with Swift Swim, then nuke Swift Swim and we can bring back all our abusers.
If you ban Drizzle, you're eliminating the chance for interesting things like that to come up.
To break away from all the rain, Reuniclus, and Landorus, etc. talk, I do have to point something. I've been noticing people posting the rest of the evasion stuff in the nomination thread(sand veil, snow cloak, etc.), which I'm fine with banning, but we can't yet. I know the pokemon that had those abilities do get second ones now, but they haven't been released yet.(like Gible) From what I understand from 4th gen. that was the reason why it wasn't banned, so that's why I'm bringing this up. Though, I'm probably being stupid, but isn't that right?
Is that what you think it is? Did you simply consider that people did not think to bring those into the nomination beforehand?
Pocket himself didn't even comment on his own suggestion until someone brought it up, it's not bandwagoning it's realizing you can support it in the nominations.
The bandwagon is the ban all auto-weather crew, somehow hail has some kind of dominance...oh wait it doesn't.
Sorry, but banning things like Sand Veil and the evasion items is just stupid. Only really bad players use evasion items, and I've never seen one win using something like Brightpowder Garchomp
OHKO moves shouldn't be banned, might as well say that since we mentioned evasion again.
Like any decent pokemon is going to give up a slot for a 30% chance move. You have better luck hitting something with +6 evasion then an OHKO move.
At best Smeargle & articuno going to try some mind reader crap, which is garbage anyways.
Like any decent pokemon is going to give up a slot for a 30% chance move. You have better luck hitting something with +6 evasion then an OHKO move.
At best Smeargle & articuno going to try some mind reader crap, which is garbage anyways.
Are you insane? If there is a situation wherein one can be swept by a Scarfed Smeargle running Sheer Cold? Don't even tempt noobs. It's not worth it to have it not be banned, 30% is a pretty good chance when it can instantly take out one of your pokes with one move
Scarfed smeargle with sheer cold? Your honestly scared of that?
I don't even think that's funny. Especially when Sturdy pokemon are immune.
Sheer cold also has 8 BP max, that shit is stalled EZ especially when it's missing 70% of the time.
If scarfed smeargle sweeps a team with sheer cold, OHKO or not the team is bad.
It can't even be used to stop shit like level 1 aron.
I don't even think that's funny. Especially when Sturdy pokemon are immune.
Sheer cold also has 8 BP max, that shit is stalled EZ especially when it's missing 70% of the time.
If scarfed smeargle sweeps a team with sheer cold, OHKO or not the team is bad.
It can't even be used to stop shit like level 1 aron.
Please don't be a baby about this. I simply wish to avoid any douchiness when playing pokemon, and would rather not let some noob beat me cause he got ridiculously lucky. Grow up
Hey, just as a reference, can someone post a link to a chart that shows all the speed tiers in the new game??
Truly, ideas better than the previous one should never be supported. We should start with a a stupid idea, and finish with that same stupid idea.
Thank you for actually speaking with logic
I doubt your running a team bad enough to be beat by something like this.
It's not a matter of teambuilding you moron. Think with your mind. If I happen to not run priority or a scarfer, or my member carrying either of those things is taken out beforehand, I could potentially be swept
Just letting you know that a huge portion of the people who were supporting Aldaron's proposal are (I think) now the ones focused on Pocket's proposal, as the two are for all purposes quite similar, with Aldaron's proposal moving straight to the final stage of testing in Pocket's proposal whereas Pocket's proposal has a couple stages of testing (Ban Weather Abusing Ability and Bring Back Ability to OU; Ban Culprit Abusers) before Aldaron's proposal to ban the ability combinations in put into effect. Then to effectively pick the most desirable metagame out of those options after testing each one.
So in general, the two are pretty similar, just Pocket's is more in depth at the cost of requiring significantly more suspect voting phases.
I'll never forget my run in the Battle Tower where I was at around room 70 or something and was doing great, but then all of a sudden I was swept completely by Sheer Cold Lapras. If you think about moves like Boil Over burning almost every time it's used, you come to realize that 30% chances are actually really something to fear. Plus not every poke has sturdy.
Your situation assumes that an 8 PP move will hit 6 times when it has a 30% chance to hit, also assuming you don't have anything with sturdy.substitute or protect. A pokemon with pressure further weakens this since the ability to use the moves is limited to 4 times.
Might as well think that you will be confused or parahaxed every turn after dynamic punch or thunder wave.
My situation assumes nothing, only that a 6-0 sweep is POSSIBLE at all, which is unallowable. Use your brain, dude, you just sound dumb right now
If the fear is that theres the possibility, theres the possibility to be 6-0'd by Jirachi too if your priority & scarfers are down just as well.
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