So Latios is allowed to have both HP fire and HP fighting along with perfect prediction to use it when TTar/Scizor switch in but TTar/Scizor will always predict wrong and be 2HKOed?
It only needs one of the two for different checks. Also, outplaying your opponent isn't hard; if he has a poke on the field which will be KOed by either HP fire or DM (i.e. Breloom), and you know from team preview Nattorei is the only poke able to switch in on a DM, going for the HP is a safe option, since it might cripple your main Latios check, allowing you to spam DM for the rest of the match.
What's with the whole "it destroys entire playstyles" bullshit people are using now. First reuniclus and now this. How exactly does Latios destroy sun/rain? Is there a rule that says sun/rain are not allowed to carry walls? Is there a rule that says sun/rain can't carry pokemon that don't benefit from the weather to cover weaknesses?
Reuniclus doesn't destroy full stall because Spiritomb And the playstyle i'm talking about is rain/sun OFFENSE. It can't be too hard to understand.
You are aware that Tyrannitar/Ferrothorn aren't the only things that can switch into DM Latias right?
Yeah, there is one other check, Jirachi. I feel aweful for forgetting that >_>
But if you're playing hyper offense, you should already be aware of the concept to sacrificing a pokemon so another pokemon can set up. If you use an offensive team and expect it to have a pokemon that can constantly switch into a 130 SpAtk dragon, somethings wrong. Generally speaking, any type of offensive team relies on checks, not counters. And for you, CB Scizor just doesn't cut it, so you complain instead of experimenting. Maybe switch from CB to LO if you hate being locked into pursuit? Just an idea.
Apparently i have to repeat myself countless times for you to understand. I can NOT setup against a -2 Latios unless it is with a steel type, because it easily deals over 50% even after the drop. And guess what, the opponent can switch out and bring it back in on one of its resistances. Again i'll have to sacc one of my pokes and again i'll be unable to set up on it. I don't want something to "consistently switch into it", only a check good enough to be able to switch in on DM once and give me momentum. There are no pokes able to do that besides Ttar, Natt, and Rachi. Note that the above three aren't counters, only checks to DM; if you are outplayed once and switch Rachi in on HP fire, you've just lost the only check you had to Latios. Oh yeah, and LO Scizor doesn't do enough with pursuit, even if it switches out. I was using LO Scizor but had to change it just because of Latios.
Everyone has to face against Latias so you can't just say it should be banned since your CB Scizor can't handle it..
If this is what you have understood from my posts thus far, i'm honestly surprised.
If you think Latios as a whole should be banned, then its not really a question of smogon policy is it? My main focus was your idea that we should ban specific moves on pokemon, not your arguement that latios should be voted uber.
I figured that out, you just took one detail from my posts and ignored everything else, because you wanted to state how "stupid" it was. The suggestion was done in regards to Latios checking some OU threats btw. Reread and you may understand it.
Argue all you want for latios to be banned. For every good reason you give, there will be n+1 counter arguments. Any fast specs user will rape a HO team, the same way reuniclus rapes stall. Just accept it already and change your team. Latias has more checks than ttar/ferrothorn/scizor.
*laughs*
Latios checks: Nattorei, Tyranitar, Jirachi
Scizor checks: Gyarados, Zapdos, Moltres, Heatran, all bulky waters, all bulky grounds, Skarmory, Ulgamoth, Forretress, etc etc etc...
Eh, the same argument applies to the Latios user. Suppose that you switch your Eon on something like Infernape and you predict a switch to Scizor using hp fire, now if your opponent "outpredicts" you, then you risk losing your Latios to a +2 stone edge\u-turn\nasty plot hp ice. Also remember that Latios can't have specs\life orb\hp fire\hp fighting\surf\draco meteor\dragon pulse\thunderbolt\trick on the same set. So if the problem is the specs set, then specially defensive TTar\Nattorei\Blissey\defensive variants of Metagross and Jirachi can be conisdered pretty safe switch ins.
The same example i provided above applies here too. You wouldn't go for HP fire vs Nape, while you would do that against, say, Parasect. If the opponent expects a DM and switches in Nattorei, they've just lost their main Latios check. It's a win/win scenario really. You'll take out a poke regardless. The broken set is the specs one. Each of the pokes you provided except from Metagross can be 2hko'd by a particular move in that set, and they are they only pokes able to switch in on DM. So i'd hardly call them "safe switchins". Metagross, on the other hand, loses 60% from DM unless it's EVed in sDef. Yeah, it's THAT overpowered.
This is not true. Jirachi can check SD Scizor and Lucario, but can't switch in safely due to u-turn and close combat doing massive damage. A check is a Pokemon that in given circumstances can force another Pokemon out. If they could switch in with impunity they would be counters, not checks. And anyway I believe that the whole concept of "counter" should be revised now in Gen V.
So checking means revenging. That's what you're claiming. So Dorry checks 90% of the metagame in sand... I always thought a check needed to be able to switch in too. Apparently HP ice Chillachino checks Garchomp. Interesting.
