Protect is a really situational choice in general, and if Blaziken is running both that and SD, then it has more problems than just Shandera. I doubt you'll be seeing many Blaziken without a coverage move in the higher ranks.
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A large majority have Protect though. An immense majority. The ones that don't often get out run which isn't good for something with those defenses.
Its always:
High Jump Kick
Fire Move
Protect
Swords Dance
Swords Dance is often exchanged for another move. Thats what I run into every time. I'm not saying its the best or even a good move set. I'm saying its all I see. No joke.
In other news I fought 2 Chandelure with Snorlax on PO a few minutes ago. Owned em. Even at 40% HP he survived a Fire Blast with 11% to spare. And it was a critical hit. Hes not good news for the chandelier. But Crunch was a tad more effective on him because Pursuit was only worth it against Chandy. Crunch was more versatile. So if he ever gets real popular don't be TOO weary of Pursuit as I found Crunch superior.
^Oddly, my life orb fire blast is always a 2ko, so you must have fought the rare Chandelures with no special attack investment. Blaziken with 2 set up moves usually sucks ass as it's walled by a lot of stuff.
edit: disregard me, i swear i thought you were talking about blaziken, not snorlax
edit: disregard me, i swear i thought you were talking about blaziken, not snorlax
I was under the impression that most Blaziken run either Protect or Swords Dance, not both.
I've fought a few that use both, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule. Which means most have an open moveslot for either Stone Edge or Shadow Claw.
I've fought a few that use both, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule. Which means most have an open moveslot for either Stone Edge or Shadow Claw.
What about Choice SCARF Tyranitar? Not all Chandelure use Scarf, so if they don't, they're automatically screwed. If the Chnady uses HP Fighting (with Scarf) then it's setup fodder for something like Garchomp. If no scarf, Tyranitar takes some damage and kills the chandelier. Also, you'll have team preview, so you will be able to predict a Chandy switch (if the opponent out-predicts you, then they played better).
Why use something with 10 less accuracy for only 5 more power? It's essentially not worth it at all, and won't net you any KOs at all - it'll just miss occasionally.
Well in general if I use Chandelure I run Sub if not scarf, letting you scout for TTar switchins and either get out safely or try to OHKO it (scouting for Lefties if you have SR up). That's the only way i feel safe using it tbh, given it's slow speed.
I can't see why you'd ever use Heat Wave over Flamethrower outside of Doubles. 5 more base power for 10% less accuracy?
Blaziken could use Earthquake, but it never should. Stone Edge hits most of the same things, and Fire/Fighting/Rock gets perfect neutral coverage, while Earthquake is useless against Flying-types and Pokemon with Levitate, several of which resist Blaziken's STABs.
Off the top of my head, Gyarados, Dragonite, Salamence, and Lati@s all resist Fire/Fighting/Ground, and Earthquake doesn't hit anything important that I can think of.
Therefore, Chandalure only has to worry about two competitively-good moves. Which is pretty good, considering it can get a free Substitute in front of it.
Two moves that pretty much any half-decent player will be using. Do you want to rely on all of your opponents being clueless?
Tentacruel, and that's about it. Tentacruel dies to boosted HJK anyway.
I'm just saying I've seen Blaziken with Earthquake, so Chnadelure should watch out for that, too (but EQ is less common than even Protect+SD).
too bad it didn't get gengar speed
- More bulk than Gengar, but less speed
- Slightly more speed than Heatran, but less bulk
- More power than both Heatran and Gengar
- Both Gengar's Ghost typing, Heatran's Fire typing, and Heatran's Flash Fire
- The only one of these 3 pokemon to get actual set up moves like CM
Too bad it's barely used :/
I was using a gimmick team(and forgot to change to DW, and therefore fell on Standard...oh well) and fought this guy using Chandy.
I baton passed 2 Shell Smashes with Smeargle to my own Chandy and got OHKO'd by a LO Psychic.
I was blown away by the fact that he even ran Psychic on Chandy, even worse, he was using a LO with it.
I then sent out Scrafty to set up a DD and was met by a Toxic coming from the same Chandelure.
Wtf are people running these days?
-Psychic
-Toxic
-Fire move
-Shadow Ball
Along with Modest natures and Life Orbs?
Wtf
- Slightly more speed than Heatran, but less bulk
- More power than both Heatran and Gengar
- Both Gengar's Ghost typing, Heatran's Fire typing, and Heatran's Flash Fire
- The only one of these 3 pokemon to get actual set up moves like CM
Too bad it's barely used :/
I was using a gimmick team(and forgot to change to DW, and therefore fell on Standard...oh well) and fought this guy using Chandy.
I baton passed 2 Shell Smashes with Smeargle to my own Chandy and got OHKO'd by a LO Psychic.
I was blown away by the fact that he even ran Psychic on Chandy, even worse, he was using a LO with it.
I then sent out Scrafty to set up a DD and was met by a Toxic coming from the same Chandelure.
Wtf are people running these days?
-Psychic
-Toxic
-Fire move
-Shadow Ball
Along with Modest natures and Life Orbs?
Wtf