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What aren't we writing about? (Pokemon unfit for OU Analyses)
- Thread starter Seven Deadly Sins
- Start date
Well, I mentioned Poliwrath after saying Qwilfish but apparently you missed it. Like you told me to, here I am...
Poliwrath relied on his ability and Drizzle to be effective. Even before Aldaron's proposal, it was difficult for it to set up. Now, with its mediocre speed and average stats, paired with the amazing Fighting-types in OU right now make it not worthy of an analysis.
Poliwrath relied on his ability and Drizzle to be effective. Even before Aldaron's proposal, it was difficult for it to set up. Now, with its mediocre speed and average stats, paired with the amazing Fighting-types in OU right now make it not worthy of an analysis.
Dream World Serperior isn't released yet, and with all current variants only carrying Overgrow, it really can't hold its own n the standard enviornment at the moment.
I don't see Simipour on this list. Is this an error, or is it going to get an OU analysis now that Manaphy's gotten the boot? I'm just wondering, since it seems like it might do alright in OU, but I'm not sure if it was just an oversight since it's not in the list of reservable pokemon in the reservations thread.
Manaphy getting the boot has given Simipour a bit of a niche that its Fire and Grass type brethren don't share. Simisear is basically Infernape without the sweet secondary typing or excellent offenses/speed (101 is good but 108 is better =D), and Simisage has to deal with being outclassed by Celebi and Virizion. Simipour is at least the only Water-type in OU that can get that "threatening after 1 turn of setup" thing going with Nasty Plot, giving it at least a bit of viability.
I've been writing an analysis for Smeargle. However, I'm not sure if it's worth an analysis. The lead set is made quite mediocre by Team Preview, and the Baton Pass set is outclassed imo by Gorebyss, due to lack of bulk and the inability to effectively use White Herb (though it does have Spore and Magic Coat, which allows you to consistently pass the boost). Maybe IngrainPass is worth it for the exclusive niche, but I don't think I've ever seen it used effectively in this gen, too offensive.
Anyways QC isn't getting around to it very quickly so I thought I'd ask here.
Anyways QC isn't getting around to it very quickly so I thought I'd ask here.
I used to write the Poliwrath analysis, before I realized that after the ban, it sucked. Add Poliwrath, it's really not that good anymore. It can have a decent SubPunch set and a decent Bulky Water set with Overhead Throw, but are hard to set up and outclassed.
While it does have that niche, I found it is still pretty bad. First, it isn't that bulky. I find it pretty hard to switch in, then take a hit to use Mean Look, then take another to Perish Song. Yeah, Roost helps, but many of the stronger pokemon can still 2HKO. Second, it's setup bait if the opponent has Swords Dance (with 16 more PP than Featherdance I think) or a move that boosts special attack. Third, I said before that it can't take the strongest of hits. Well, the weaker bulkier pokemon often have moves like Toxic, Will-O-Wisp or Leech Seed, and since Perish Trapping takes 4 end of turns to execute (more if you switch in, Roost before stalling, etc.) good luck taking hits when you have to deal with those, too. Last, I can almost never get the same trick to work twice. And a pokemon that can sacrifice itself to possibly remove some weak but nonstall pokemon is pretty worthless.
I'm going to try to get Leafeon added to this list, as whenever I use it it needs so much support to be decently viable that it's not really even worth using. Even then, there're so many better options like Mebujika and Venusaur that do the exact same thing but better. It's outclassed as a defensive wall as well and has mediocre typing for that role.
SevenDeadlySins said:
I like Honchkrow too, but I can see why it's not getting an OU analysis. QC has good reasons not to add Honchkrow (which is why most of its sets got passed off in the shift from UU to BL last generation).
Looks like Leafeon is gonna be added (no suprise there). I think Moltres should be finally included as well.
I just added Honchkrow to my Hail team today, and he hits pretty damn hard with a Choice Band set. I needed a physical attacker for my team, and someone that could carry Dark and Fighting moves, and Honchkrow works great.
Sucker Punch in particular is beastly against Psychics and Ghosts, and hits pretty hard even when it's neutral.
Though I pretty much just started battling like two days ago, so I don't have that much experience.
Moltres is actually amazing when Stealth Rock is off the field (which is actually quite easy as it often never gets on the field especially with Magic Bounce/Coat and there's still Rapid Spin). This generation, it got Flame Charge to get rid of its speed problem, and it also gets Will-O-Wisp, which when combined with Pressure and Roost, can make Moltres stall out Stone Edges and stuff like that. Its Fire Blast has a much higher base power than Zapdos' Thunderbolt, while it also has decent flying STAB (Air Slash). While it lacks the powerful Volt Switch that can make Zapdos a deadly scouter, it still has U-turn coming off a slightly higher attack (same as Flygon's). Finally, it makes an extremely powerful Sun sweeper, with Flame Charge, Fire Blast/Flamethrower, SolarBeam and some filler (Air Slash, Hidden Power, Roost, etc.)
I'm surprised no one is writing about Gothitelle, since it has Shadow tag.
Poliwrath is being added to the list for the given reasons.
Porygon-Z is a new comer! It's too slow to be effective in the current metagame, to outclassed by basically everything, and with Roobushin all over the place, it's even less likely to get a full sweep. It's also hard for it to get a turn to set up, which doesn't help.
EDIT: This decision made with the agreement of iconic, Bloo, PKGaming, and Eo Ut Mortus.
Porygon-Z is a new comer! It's too slow to be effective in the current metagame, to outclassed by basically everything, and with Roobushin all over the place, it's even less likely to get a full sweep. It's also hard for it to get a turn to set up, which doesn't help.
EDIT: This decision made with the agreement of iconic, Bloo, PKGaming, and Eo Ut Mortus.
isn't flame charge moltres outclassed by agility? People forget he has that. Anyway, I kind of feel that he's outclassed by charizard, who has better initial speed, a wider movepool and more power under the sun. Therefore, i think that moltres should be added to the list.
This metagame is even more hostile to Slaking than the last one, thanks to stuff like Shandera, Burungeru and Roobushin all being top tier threats and all taking out physical Normal types fairly easily. Not to mention he's killed by anything faster with Substitute, or anything with Protect.
Feraligatr doesn't have an analysis yet isn't on this list.
I thought only Zapdos got Agility...
Moltres has better stats everywhere except speed, and U-turn to set it apart from Charizard.
If a Pokemon is removed from the list in the OP, does that mean that it will be getting an analysis and thus, open for reservation?
Maybe Druddigon deserves an analysis? The reason why it was included here was because of its very low Speed stat, but this fact gives it a niche in Trick Room. It is the only viable dragon under this field condition, and TR teams appreciate a hard-hitting STAB Outrage user. The confusion after-effect is not even much of an issue, since TR teams tend to switch out attackers anyway, once the dimension twist is up. It also has respectable 77/90/90 defenses, and with Rough Skin and Rugged Helmet, can be used to wear physical attackers easily.
Maybe Druddigon deserves an analysis? The reason why it was included here was because of its very low Speed stat, but this fact gives it a niche in Trick Room. It is the only viable dragon under this field condition, and TR teams appreciate a hard-hitting STAB Outrage user. The confusion after-effect is not even much of an issue, since TR teams tend to switch out attackers anyway, once the dimension twist is up. It also has respectable 77/90/90 defenses, and with Rough Skin and Rugged Helmet, can be used to wear physical attackers easily.
yeah, I wanted to write the feraligatr analysis seeing as it wasnt on the list, but someone told me that he wasn't getting one anyway