Then consider this: a Pokémon when made suspect, is always considered when fighting at its fullest potential. Blaziken is at its fullest potential when using Speed Boost. An ability doesn't make a Pokémon a different mon any more than using a different nature or a different moveset does. If you truly feel it does, start lobbying for a change in that.
I am not lobbying for anything. I dont really care that much. I think this way of thinking about a specific character is absolutely wrong. It still does not make any sense. For example. I character Like Slaking who is currently NU because of its debilitating ability Truant. For hypothetical purposes lets say it get an ability like cute charm, which really isn't going to make any difference other than getting its current ability gone. Are you actually ensinuating that it is still Slaking with its real ability should be grouped into the same classification as slaking without? Obviously I am well aware that hypotheticals are not the best thing touse to prove a point, but I think you can see where I am going with this.
Now, it's my turn to ask a question: why is keeping Blaze Blaziken important?
It really isn't. I am trying to understand the process in which things get banned and dont get banned. Blaziken is simply an example. I went 10 pages back and watched as people shouted @ each other about what got banned and shouldn't be and people taking stuff personally. So I really want to understand the way things are banned in competitive pokemon.
Why should we keep intentionally weakened versions of Pokémon around?
What? Are you saying that he cannot be or should not be used at all since blaze is clearly not as good as speed boost?
Why should we place unique and ridiculous restrictions on a Pokémon to keep it OU or UU or whatever?
Damn... hostile are we? When did I ever even suggest this?
Why would this be a good thing to place in so many rules and restrictions just to keep certain Pokémon in certain tiers? Not just Blaziken, but any Pokémon that isn't allowed in whatever tiers.
I dont understand certain bans/rules as they are... A few are kinda crazy in my opinion. It is clear that there area good amount of people who feel one way and a good amount who feel the other, supporting and being against certain bans... the proof is in the last 15 pages of text on this thread. All of which have valid points here and there between all the douchbaggery.
The point is, there is no difference between the two. Blaziken is Blaziken. That's it. If there were different stats or typing, they would be tiered differently, but a different ability is no different than a different moveset. A good comparison is 4th gen Rotom-A. Despite the fact that only Rotom-W and Rotom-H saw large enough usage to even be OU, they were all essentially the same but with different movesets, so they were tiered together.
Ryu and Ken have the same movepool. Do they play the same way? No. Granted, entirely different game and genre and stuff, but that is not the point. I cannot agree with this statement @ all. There is a clear difference between reg blaziken and sb blaziken. I think we all agree on this. How then they are the same pokemon when one has a golden ability and another has a copper one is really REALLY wierd. Feels like I am in the Twilight Zone almost, because you guys obviously know what you are talking about, but then again in statements like this, it seems as if you do not.
One Tier Per Pokemon. That's how it works.
So... this is the end all... undisputed... cannot be changed rule? forever? who said this?
I was going to ask why in heavens are people still trying to bring down Blaziken for some ridiculous entitlement argument (hint: HJK and Speed Boost were equally important for Blaziken's Uber voting), but I read the OP more carefully just now and
Why exactly are we allowed to discuss bringing Blaziken down but couldn't discuss Manaphy/Deoxys-N/etc last Round? Why does Blaziken deserve to be re-tested more than the other former suspects?
I Just want to get any idea about the basis on which things are banned. It just didnt make sense to me that sb blaziken is uber and reg blaziken isnt... I dont not think I am wrong for trying to get a better understanding.
The first is that Speed Boost isn't the only factor that made Blaziken so good and, in the suspect voters' eyes, ban-worthy. Half of what made Blaziken so goddamn awesome was that it had a 130 base power Hi Jump Kick; its best Fighting STAB before was Superpower <.< If Tentacruel didn't have to invest heavily in Def to survive a +2 HJK (for example), Blaziken would have been quite a bit less broken. And that's not even talking about the existing Fire STABs Flare Blitz and Fire Blast off 120/110 offenses. It's extremely rare to have one factor break a Pokémon.
Finally. Someone who has @ least given a reason that makes some sense. I can now do some calcs to see what he is talking about. I wish I had an opportunity to battle with this guy to see just how good he got even without speed boost in a competitve battle. Guess I will never know