DRIZZLE. DOES. NOT. DO. ANYTHING. TO. YOU.
If you imagine battles taking place in an actually stadium like in the home console games, all Drizzle does is sit on it's fat ass on the halfline, farting all over the field.
Yes all Drizzle does is look ugly. It does not affect the Metagame in the slightest. That's why you didn't list the effects of Drizzle later on in your argument. V
...Drizzle user gets pseudo-STAB on Water attacks, resistance to Fire-attacks, 100% accurate Thunder and Hurricane, and the abilities Rain Dish, Hydration, and best of all Swift Swim activated, among others.
That "all over" bit is important, because it means that both players get the advantages of Drizzle, regardless of who has the Politoed that starts it.
Well yes, if it's a Drizzle team versus a Drizzle team then congrats both teams are accustomed to abusing Drizzle's 'so called no effects'.
The non-Drizzle user gets pseudo-STAB on Water attacks, resistance to Fire-attacks, 100% accurate Thunder and Hurricane, and the abilities Rain Dish, Hydration, and best of all Swift Swim activated, among others. This doesn't help the non-Drizzle user as much as much as the Drizzle user, since the person using it is using it to abuse it, but it's the truth.
I'm really confused here. Are you saying it's ok for the Drizzle user to abuse weather because his team is built to do so. As for the non-Drizzle player on the other hand, it's tough luck that you don't have anything to abuse weather with on your team. Too bad for you, just deal with it.
You don't like how your team works under Drizzle? YOU CHANGE THE WEATHER OR YOU CHANGE THE TEAM. You use your Tyranitar/Hippowdon/Abomasnow/Ninetales.
Well I guess I'd have no other choice if I don't want my team to face the indirect effects of Drizzle. I'm obliged to use one of four pokemon you named. This of course does not breach the basic understanding of the word broken: "A pokemon [or playstyle] that is so centralizing that every team must either use it or use a pokemon specifically to counter it."
Or, you run a weather move.
Using a weather move is almost the same thing as weather wars. Only difference is, whilst my opponent could set up weather just by switching in their Pokemon, I on the other hand would need to waste a turn using the weather move.
Not adapting to weather just because you don't want to use weather yourself doesn't mean that weather is broken, it means you should SUCK IT UP AND USE WEATHER. Or don't and be good enough to get around it.
Yea let's blame the non weather users for not using weather, it's their own fault. It's either use it or learn to play around something you have no control over - i.e the indirect effects of Drizzle. My Heatran will no longer beat Toxicorak, my Conkeldurr will now be OHKO'd by Rotom-W's Hydrop Pump, Pokemon 'X' will now be 2KO'd instead of 3. Well tough luck it's my own damn fault for letting my opponent
set up weather in the first place.
You see, when Drizzle comes out onto the field (let's assume the opponent starts it), nothing happens to the Pokemon in-play.
Yea Politoed doesn't automatically get a 1.5 boost on it's stab water moves without even using a move.
Next turn, you make a move with your Pokemon, your opponent makes a move with theirs, it goes in a certain order depending on what moves you and your opponent have chosen and the Speed stats of your Pokemon including item, ability and stat boosts, each move goes off unless the first to go takes out the second, and the turn finalizes. This repeats until the game ends with a victor. What did Drizzle do on each of those turns? NOTHING.
Drizzle of course does not have a domino effect either. Once it's there it just sits on the field and does nothing what so ever for the rest of the match, like you said.
Sure, your opponent's Pokemon might have done something different than usual thanks to Drizzle, but that's just it; it was the Pokemon doing it. Not Drizzle.
So basically running Thunder instead of Thunderbolt, or running Hurricane, has nothing to do with Drizzle? It's the Pokemon's move set choice, which again has nothing to do with Drizzle. Of course outside of Drizzle I would chose Thunder over Thunderbolt. Definitely. You also seem to think that the power increase from Thunderbolt to Thunder makes no difference to the outcome of the match. Not to mention all the other effects Drizzle induces too.
In this sense, Stealth Rocks is more broken than Drizzle....
I don't particularly like the whole concept of this argument - something isn't broken because this thing is more broken that it. When studying if something is broken, you don't compare it to something you find more broken in order to make that thing look a breeze in the wind. You look at it on it's own, see how it effects the Metagame, and see if it is ban worthy.
Also, while reading this thread, one post has stuck in my mind for something within it. I can't be bothered to find said post and confirm it even exists, but I believe it said something along the lines of, "Drizzle makes OU-worthy Pokemon broken, and non-OU-worthy Pokemon OU-worthy, so Drizzle should be banned". OK, Imma gonna go ahead and break this in half:
Ironic how I have heard the same argument for pro-weather:
'Drizzle should be kept OU because it promotes variety. Without it, Pokemon like Toxicroak and Venasaur would not be OU.'
But on the whole we both agree that such an argument is rather pointless and should not even be taken into account when considering tiers.
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Personally I wouldn't even consider using such an argument to promote banning Drizzle.
If we really want to decide whether Drizzle or broken or not I feel that we need to stick to the following reference for guidance.
Although the definition of the word 'broken' is opinion based, let's look at the basic understanding of it:
"A pokemon [or playstyle] that is so centralizing that every team must either use it or use a pokemon specifically to counter it."
"I generally think of Broken as something that is unfair. Something that can't be reasonably dealt with, something that makes it too easy to win, something that can't be reasonably prepared for; etc."
