Rarely Used (RU) Tier

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In my opinion when I see Ninjask on other teams it just screams "(p)haze me), and it's easy at least for me to predict when the Baton Pass is coming and Whirlwind him out.

EDIT: Anybody been using any interesting sweepers to any success? I'm trying to find something other than boring old Yanmega, Porygon-Z, and the likes? I'm excited for Dragon Dance Charizard when it drops down there.
 
Exeggutor is a good sweeper with either Trick Room or Sunny Day. You can Smash or Quiver Pass to it to make it untouchable. Access to Sleep Powder too.

Swords Dance Scolipede is a really good late-game cleaner.

Scarf Moxie Krookodile is another underestimated threat. With smart play, and lots of hazards, it can become unstoppable.

Just a few that I have had experience with.
 
Scarded MoxieDile can be threatening, but I've always been able to stop it. Yanmega and Sharpedo are both unpleasant opponents for Krookodile, what with Speed Boost and higher base Speed (95 > 92).
 
Scarfed Krook is an amazing late game cleaner, I can definitely agree with that.
I've been using a SubCM Entei with mixed results. If it can get to +2 its amazing, but until then it's mediocre.
 
Some people may have already said it, but...how about a bulky Braviary? You can do something that resembles this:
Braviary @Life Orb
Sheer Force
Nature: Adamant
Ev: 240 HP/252 Atk/16 Def (Or 16 Sp.Def)
Brave Bird/Superpower
Crush Claw
Rock Slide
Bulk Up

The evs let Braviary switch into Stealth Rock 4 times without getting killed, maximizes attack and adds Def/Sp.Def. (I can't do damage calcs, so if somebody could help, that would be greatly appreciated) What do you guys think?
 
Some people may have already said it, but...how about a bulky Braviary? You can do something that resembles this:
Braviary @Life Orb
Sheer Force
Nature: Adamant
Ev: 240 HP/252 Atk/16 Def (Or 16 Sp.Def)
Brave Bird/Superpower
Crush Claw
Rock Slide
Bulk Up

The evs let Braviary switch into Stealth Rock 4 times without getting killed, maximizes attack and adds Def/Sp.Def. (I can't do damage calcs, so if somebody could help, that would be greatly appreciated) What do you guys think?

I dont see the point in running Superpower since it would cancel out Bulk Up entirely.

And honestly running a Bulk Up set on a pokemon like Braviary seems like a good idea but he has no recovery option. I would just stick with Choice Band on him. To me he is just a Normal/Flying version of Emboar and should be treated as such. Strong, relative bulk but slow. Stick with the Choice Band for revenge killing.

Also he wont really shine until the eventual release of NU.
 
I dont see the point in running Superpower since it would cancel out Bulk Up entirely.

And honestly running a Bulk Up set on a pokemon like Braviary seems like a good idea but he has no recovery option. I would just stick with Choice Band on him. To me he is just a Normal/Flying version of Emboar and should be treated as such. Strong, relative bulk but slow. Stick with the Choice Band for revenge killing.

Also he wont really shine until the eventual release of NU.

I don't like Superpower but, some people might, and it really sucks that Braviary doesn't get recovery.
 
I don't like Superpower but, some people might, and it really sucks that Braviary doesn't get recovery.

Superpower is useful on a revenge killing choice band set because you are going to switch out constantly anyway. Even if Braviary had a different fighting move like Close Combat it would still be somewhat pointless on a Bulk Up set because of the defense drops.

Superpower is counter productive on a Bulk Up set because:
- Bulk Up raises attack and defense one stage
- Super Power lowers attack and defense one stage

He doesn't get a recovery move, like Roost, because he is male, thus getting no egg moves, and Roost isnt a move tutor or TM move in this generation yet.
 
Also, if you're trying to make a bulky sweeper set, why on earth are you using life orb?
Life Orb + SHeer Force = 1.69* boosted moves without LO recoil. On his proposed set the only things that would give him LO recoil and not be boosted by SHeer Force are Superpower and Brave Bird.

This is really the best viable set for Braviary anyway:
name: Physical Attacker
move 1: Brave Bird
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Superpower
move 4: Protect / Whirlwind / U-Turn
nature: Adamant
ability: Sheer Force
item: Life Orb / Flying Gem
evs: 196 HP / 252 Atk / 28 Def / 28 SpD / 4 Spe

Why is it the best? Makes him as bulky as possible while also making him very powerful.
 
That's not the point. A "bulky sweeper" needs leftovers recovery to have a chance at sweeping at all, especially if he doesn't have a recovery move.
 
Superpower is useful on a revenge killing choice band set

You're hardly gonna be revenging anything with a Choice Band. A Choice Scarf would be a more appriopriate item for revenging.

Also yeah, I don't think Braviary is really built to be a 'bulky' sweeper. Maybe a max speed sweeping set with Bulk Up could work.
 
I find success with this set for braviary:
Life orb

Super power
bulk up
rock slide
crush claw
ABILITY: sheer force
basically you hit with everything you've got. Simple as that. Max speed and attack and you give him either jolly or adamant nature.
 
Personally, I love the bulk up Hitmonchan set. It cleans up mid to late game after Cress and Mega (and ghosts packing will o wisp >_<) are out of the picture. This is what I run and I love sweeping a team with Hitmonchan of all things.

Hitmonchan @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Fist
252 HP | 252 SpD | 6 Def
Careful nature

~Bulk Up
~Drain Punch
~Mach Punch
~Ice Punch

After two bulk ups it's pretty much gg <3
 
One set that can do some real damage is

Accelgor @Choice Specs
+Speed -Atk
252 SpA/252 HP/6 Spd

Spikes
Bug Buzz
HP Rock
Focus Blast

Hear me out. Accelgor is not going to last very long and it has monstrous speed. This took inspiration from the ScarfPede set.

If it is a target that is going to OHKO you, blast them. If it is a SR pokemon or status, go ahead and spikes.
 
One set that can do some real damage is

Accelgor @Choice Specs
Timid
252 SpA/252 HP/4 Spd

Spikes
Bug Buzz
HP Rock
Focus Blast

Fixed a few things. Also, Spikes on a Choiced poke is a little iffy, but I guess it could work.... running 4 attacks is better though (Giga Drain for example can finish up the set).
 
I've been experimenting CB and CSpecs Sets on Pokemon

CB Cinccino hits pretty hard, all it lacks is priority but base 115 speed is pretty fast already.

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: U-turn
move 2: Tail Slap
move 3: Bullet Seed
move 4: Rock Blast
item: Choice Band
ability: Technician
nature: Adamant / Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Att / 252 Spe

Technician Boosted Tail slap, Bullet Seed and Rock blast hit pretty hard and U turn allows you to scout out moves if you don't think you can get the KO and grass/rock moves have good coverage and hits everything but steels.

Defenses are frail at 75/60/60 but Cinccino is fast enough to U-turn out of there so someone else can take a hit like Cressilia.

Eeletross is actually pretty good with choice specs, although you'd think it's outclassed by rotom-appliances due to it's low speed but it doesn't suffer crippling (or any) weaknesses like Stealth rock (rotom-f and rotom-s) or 5 addition weaknesses with grass typing (rotom-c). rotom-ghost could use Choice Specs I guess.

But having zero weaknesses is always a plus, Only something like Pinsir with mold breaker could hit you super effectively

[SET]
name: Choice
move 1: Volt Change
move 2: Thunderbolt / HP-Ice
move 3: Grass Knot
move 4: Acid Spray /Flamethrower
item: Choice Specs
ability: Levitate
nature: Timid
evs: 44 HP / 252 SpA / 212 Spe

The Evs and Nature can be changed especially for Speed, depends who you want to outspeed or if you prefer bulk. The EVs I've used are to outspeed 0 speed Cressilia, I've Always been in a situation where Cressilia has 1% HP and I have nothing that outspeeds her left on my team to KO her before she recovers with Moonlight/rest.

Grass Knot in the move slot may feel Redundant but it actually there to make prediction easier, if you happen to get lucky enough for Eeletross to switch into a water type and you remember that they also have a ground type from team preview. Grass knot is a safe bet as they'll expect you to use an electric move like (volt change or tbolt) then switch into a specs boosted super effective Grassknot. (Poor Rhyperior never had a chance :-( lol.)

Acid Spray is to hit grass types that resist your other 3 moves, I prefer Acid Spray as it lower's sp-def by 2 stages and it generally a 2hko on grass types staying in. Flamethrower can be used but acid spray has the utility of forcing switches.

CB and C-Scraf sets can use used on Eeletross also but relying on Wild Charge recoil for my stab isn't my kind of thing, and there are better scraf revengers in the tier already.

I've also tried out Choice Specs Slowking but I've already posted that somewhere else already. Choice Specs Slowking is more of a prediction game. Think they'll switch into a psychic resist/immunity? use surf, a water resist/immunity? use psychic. Your in a bit of a pickle if they have both a water and psychic immunity but slowking hits pretty hard once it's checks are gone, if only it got hydro pump.
 
POkemon Rarely Used (RU) Tier

I've had alot of sucess with a full-utility togetic in RU.
Togetic bold nature
item:eviolite
ev spread: 200 hp 252 defense 56 special defense
toxic/protect/wish/heal bell
It takes next to nothing from most physhical hits and it can toxic stall out pokes my other team members cant kill.
 
I've had alot of sucess with a full-utility togetic in RU.
Togetic bold nature
item:eviolite
ev spread: 200 hp 252 defense 56 special defense
toxic/protect/wish/heal bell
It takes next to nothing from most physhical hits and it can toxic stall out pokes my other team members cant kill.
Until Cottonee Prankster taunts it, or any other poke taunts it. .-.
 
Until Cottonee Prankster taunts it, or any other poke taunts it. .-.

Except the number of people who run a Taunt user is surprisingly low down here.

Regarding the people that were discussing Braviary, I feel its most successful set in this tier is its Scarf set. It operates much like Scarf Staraptor, except a bit slower, slightly better attack, naturally bulkier, but with a worse movepool for the job.

Braviary @Choice Scarf
Ability: Sheer Force
Nature: Jolly
EV: 4 HP 252 Attack 252 Speed
Brave Bird
U-Turn
Superpower
Rock Slide/Return


I know, Jolly on a Scarfer seems a little odd. You're losing out on a little bit of power, but with a base 123 Attack you still get the KOs you want. Brave Bird for STAB and decimates Yanmega. U-Turn for scouting and KOs non-Scarfed or Sashed Alakazam. Superpower is essentially only so Aggron doesn't wall you (it won't do much to Rhydon/Rhyperior.) Superpower can also deal with the large amount of Ice types down here. Last move is for coverage. Rock Slide is basically only for Moltres who I have caught off guard numerous times because they do not expect the outspeed. Return is generic STAB and hurts anything that isn't Steel, Rock, or Ghost. This appreciates either Spin or WIsh support, as the combination of Stealth Rocks and Brave Bird recoil hurts after a while. Braviary also likes Rocks of its own to help whittle down things for it to pick off. Something to deal with the Steel and Rock types is can hardly touch is always nice too.
 
Is Slaking at all viable in this tier? Cofagrigus is a commonly used wall, and a Slaking with a Lum Berry, Pursuit and Night Slash could easily finish off a weakened Cofagrigus, and subsequently wreak havoc on the opponent's team with Return since it now (hopefully) has Mummy instead of Truant. Not sure if it's worth using...
 
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