How do you kill this? Rhyperior Discussion.

Flawed logic, bias and critical reading ftw.

So you don't mind that Rhyperior almost ALWAYS requires a sacrifice or even 2 before you can kill it (kind of like most Ubers against a standard team)?
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Whether you sacrifice 1 or 5 Pokemon doesn't matter if the Rhyperior uses a little bit of brains. You don't even have to sacrifice anything. If you switch in Celebi into Rhyperior's Earthquake, will it stay in to Megahorn? No, it will switch out in fear of Energy Ball, and you can Recover now or later. And later you can switch to Salamence or Gyarados and take either Earthquake or Megahorn or something.

The time where Pokemon have safe counters is over. You're not complaining about Salamence, Tyranitar, Heracross and Medicham having no good safe counters in RS and probably not much better ones in DP either.

Rhyperior's biggest counter is probably something like Starmie or Milotic, both of which likely take more than half damage from switching into any Rhyperior attack, so they die on their second switch-in against Rhyperior before being able to lauch a single attack.
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Both of these learn Recover. I just named two better ways of dealing with Rhyperior if you don't like using Milotic or Starmie. But FYI, a 400 Attack STAB Earthquake does about 43% average to 384/281 HP/Defense Milotic. Give or take a few points here and there, but I wouldn't call that over half.

It does not matter one bit that Megahorn and Stone Edge aren't 100% accurate since Rhyperior is going to switch out against anything that's threatening to it anyway. Rhyperior uses Megahorn, Starmie switches in, Megahorn misses, Rhyperior switches out and tries again later.
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Rhyperior just switched out in fear of something and you didn't sacrifice a Pokemon. How is that possible???

85% or 80% accurate moves < 100% accurate moves. It's a fact. It hurts Rhyperior.

Unless Rhyperior switches into Starmie/Milotic/Whatever (it won't) and not vice versa, Rhyperior wins. It's uncounterable by anything OU.
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I just proved Milotic can shrug off Rhyperior fairly comfortably. And I also showed you some other "uncounterable" Pokemon.

Everything doesn't have to be a guarenteed OHKO, I understand that, but I'm agreeing with the guy that said that in order to beat Rhyperior, you have to fight it with another Rhyperior and hope that you outlast. Thus, everyone will need to carry a Rhyperior or else accept a loss to anyone that uses one.
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Why would you use Rhyperior to fight Rhyperior? Do you really think using a Pokemon weak to its own STAB move is a good idea? My above suggestions are better than that.

The way it's looking, the OU metagame will consists of:

Garchomp
Rhyperior
Cresselia
Tyranitar
Metagross
Salamence
Blissey
Various Legendaries
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Odd, I could swear people actually used other Pokemon on WiFi and win. Just because Rhyperior hurts and survives a lot doesn't mean a load of Pokemon become unusable. Rhyperior counters Tyranitar like a man, and nonetheless he made your list. Rhyperior makes Blissey cry, but she's up there.

And anyone who doesn't use at least 3 of the above will not be able to compete. What fun. CBvile and CSHera get an honorable mention, but they aren't as scary if you prepare for them.
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Tell that to all these people who are racking up wins on WiFi. It seems you haven't played the game (much) yourself yet you're making a lot of huge claims you cannot really back up.

You can't prepare for Rhyperior.
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You can prepare for Rhyperior about as much as you can prepare for Salamence, Tyranitar, PorygonZ, Heracross and a munchload of others.

D/P calls for some serious adjustments to how we tier things, or else this will be the most boring and repetitive gen for OU yet, and that's saying something.
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How many OU gens have you played? How fun a game is is subjective anyway, you're not the one to decide that.

In the end though, this is Gamefreak's fault, not Smogon's. If you support Rhyperior, you support and boring and unvaried metagame.
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Yeah, because Rhydon gaining Hard Rock and a few stats here and there suddendly makes the game boring and unvaried, I get it.

And for the record, Rhy and gen 3 Meta are not comparable. Rhy in infinitely more broken than Meta is even THIS gen, let alone last.
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The only part of your stuff I kinda agree with, Rhyperior is harder to solidly beat than Metagross. Nonetheless, calling him uber without properly playing the game is kinda going far.

Did I mention tier discussion is a taboo? Don't do it again until it's allowed please.
 
Tyranitar and Heracross, IMO, are much more beatable than Rhyperior. PorygonZ is a pain in the ass but at least Blissey can wall it somewhat and Payalyze it with T-wave to stop it's sweep. Salamence is scary because it's unpredictable, and he gives Rhyperior a run for his money in overall broken-ness, but Rhyperior will still be the most broken Pokemon in standard. Garchomp looks like Luvdisc by comparison.
 
SimChao said:
Tyranitar and Heracross, IMO, are much more beatable than Rhyperior. PorygonZ is a pain in the ass but at least Blissey can wall it somewhat and Payalyze it with T-wave to stop it's sweep. Salamence is scary because it's unpredictable, and he gives Rhyperior a run for his money in overall broken-ness, but Rhyperior will still be the most broken Pokemon in standard. Garchomp looks like Luvdisc by comparison.
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I'm sorry, but that really is one of the most ridiculous things I've seen posted here. Also, your opinion of whether Tyranitar and Heracross more easily countered than Rhyperior, means nothing. My opinion on this matter also means nothing, as does anyone else's. How "broken" a Pokemon is isn't based on opinion, it's based on facts. Facts like how easy or difficult it IS to counter, not how easy or difficult someone THINKS it is to counter. This kind of "Oh my God, the sky is falling!" hysteria was quite common when we started getting new information about DP many months ago. It was as ridiculous and overblown then as it is now.
 
People who play pokemon are werid.We ban ubers,Then another set pokemon rise up, then we want them banned.Ok i will play the game, lets ban sala,ttar,garchomp, and meta.Then guess what happens the metagame adjust some other pokes rise up and start to be dominant then will you want those banned too.The days of Skarm/bliss are over,where you can just hide behind two pokes and have no real predicting skill or creative team building.Welcome to new pokemon game everybody,it started in r/s/e and now it is carrying over in D/P.You have to able to predict,form a good team,ev pokemon properly,use creative counter measures like spikes,explosion and status effects to counter pokes you have no advantage over.The days of Skarm/Bliss are now truely over live with it.
 
PorygonZ needs some kind of boosting item (Silk Scarf or Life Orb), Nasty Plot, max Special Attack, Modest and Hyper Boom to OHKO Blissey. That or settle for 2HKOing or something, or even use a gimmick Return set. It's entirely possible that it will beat up your Blissey if you switch it in, so Blissey cannot exactly be called a counter by definition, nor can anything. Nonetheless no one is really screaming PorygonZ is uber.
 
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I don't have access to my own stat calculator right now, but wouldn't specs mence be a viable counter? immune to earthquake and resists megahorn, just don't switch in on stone edge or avalanche. then it outspeeds it and hits it with a monstrous hydro pump.
 
Salamence isn't more of a counter than, say, Celebi is. Also better pray Hydro Pump hits. I'd rather use Gyarados than Salamence for that, since he has a STAB 100% accurate Waterfall to work with (or even Surf if you're using it specifically for Rhyperior), and he doesn't take as much from Avalanche.
 
Seriously, Rhyperior is the most overrated pokemon of this generation so far and he's not even overrated because he is bad, but it would impossible to meet the expectations that some of the people in this thread have. Rhyperior is scary as a CBander and not much more IMO, he ain't sweeping shit with that speed/a billion 4x weaks and with reasonable predictions he'll be hurting you, but not as much as some people are saying.
 
preptime said:
Seriously, Rhyperior is the most overrated pokemon of this generation so far and he's not even overrated because he is bad, but it would impossible to meet the expectations that some of the people in this thread have. Rhyperior is scary as a CBander and not much more IMO, he ain't sweeping shit with that speed/a billion 4x weaks and with reasonable predictions he'll be hurting you, but not as much as some people are saying.
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Honestly, you foret how impossible this thing is to take down. Solid Rock+Awesome HP/Def really only leaves it vulnerable to Surf/Hydro Pump and Grass Rope, and even those get their usefulness droppped if you pump EV's into Sp Def and throw in Sandstorm
 
Seriously, Rhyperior is the most overrated pokemon of this generation so far and he's not even overrated because he is bad, but it would impossible to meet the expectations that some of the people in this thread have. Rhyperior is scary as a CBander and not much more IMO, he ain't sweeping shit with that speed/a billion 4x weaks and with reasonable predictions he'll be hurting you, but not as much as some people are saying.
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4x weaks? Uh, with hard rock and a sandstorm in play (which is highly likely), attacks that would normally do 4x damage only do 1.773333333 damage. A 2x special move like Ice Beam does 0.88888888 damage. With stab, those numbers go up to 2.66 and 1.333333, respectively. And remember that that's with STAB. Granted, its sdef sucks, but sandstorm plus the added benefit of hard rock does a decent job of making up for it. Then on the physical side it has that ridiculous def from the beginning, where it STILL gets help out from hard rock.
 
leafgreen386 said:
4x weaks? Uh, with hard rock and a sandstorm in play (which is highly likely), attacks that would normally do 4x damage only do 1.773333333 damage. A 2x special move like Ice Beam does 0.88888888 damage. With stab, those numbers go up to 2.66 and 1.333333, respectively. And remember that that's with STAB. Granted, its sdef sucks, but sandstorm plus the added benefit of hard rock does a decent job of making up for it. Then on the physical side it has that ridiculous def from the beginning, where it STILL gets help out from hard rock.
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0.88888888 sounds wrong. I seriously doubt Hard Rock lowers Super Effective hits so much that they go below what normally effective hits would do (1x).

Also, if you are willing to use Rhyperion and Tyranitar on the the same team, then you deserve higher Sp.Def. Actually, you might NEED that Sp. Def, as wasting two of six Pokemon that have such similar weaknesses/duties in a metagame that is easily twice as big as Advance is simply not that smart. Contrary to popular belief, Tyranitar is not on every other team anyway, so you'd have to go out of your way for that 1.5 Sp. Def boost.
 
Those numbers take into account both hard rock and sandstorm. A 1.5 multiplier of sdef is the same as cutting out damage by 1/3.

So 2 x 2/3 x 2/3 = .88888888

And who said anything about ttar? There's still hippowdon.
 
Ah. I was under the impression that calculation was for simply Hard Rock, and not Hard Rock and Sandstorm.

And Hippowdon? It certainly sounds like a better partner for Rhyperion then Tyranitar does, in terms of weaks/resists/roles. However, out of the 10 or so days of which I've been lurking RMT threads in both Smogon AND Serebii, I have came across a grand total of 1 Hippowdon, which was on a gimmick team. I'd assume this is because of Gyarados being a majorly important threat for physical tanks to tank, which Hippowdon can't do.
 
You know, there are a handful of teams that don't even HAVE solid counters to certain pokemon but instead rely on resistances, and those tend to work just fine. Rhyperior is no different. EQ and Megahorn? Switch in Salamence or Gyarados to take the hit. Avalanche and Stone Edge are resisted by Steels, and Bronzong can learn Grass Knot (as well as being immune to EQ and neutral to Megahorn). I'd say solid counters are a thing of the past and what we need to focus on now is resistances. Plus, Rhyperior is incredibly slow so pretty much anything that poses a threat will outspeed it, thus forcing a switch. It may look big on paper, but as long as you don't fuck up on predicting, you can get around it.
 
mkdspokemonmaster said:
repeating the same quick question that should go into the Quick Question/Answer thread
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Don't. Also you're better off pouring Attack or Defense than Special Defense imo.

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I'd assume this is because of Gyarados being a majorly important threat for physical tanks to tank, which Hippowdon can't do.
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By that logic Skarmory shouldn't be common either since Gyarados is a majorly important threat for physical tanks to tank, which Skarmory can't do. There's more to your team for countering physical threats than using 2 Pokemon.
 
The better battler thinks "how do I win". The lesser battler thinks "how do I stop my opponent winning". The whole notion of walling is by and large a feature of the latter, and in an environment without certain walls, these people feel the floor beneath them fall. The environment will simply adapt to incorporate all of the changes from the new generation. Focus will hopefully shift from the team to the battler because skill and prediction will be all the more important.

This thread is fatter than Rhyperior.
 
Overreacting ftw lol.

Anyway. The gist of what I've seen from this thread is that "Rhyperior is broken because nothing that can hurt rhyperior can switch in on it and take no damage". Congrats, this means that rhyperior is good now. This balances rhyperiors terrible speed stat. If a pokemon had rhyperiors' speed and weaknesses and couldnt do 50%+ damage to to things, it would suck and be unusable. This is why nobody used rhydon in RS. Rhyperior is a vast improvement, bringing it up to the levels of the 600 base stat pokemon in terms of killing power, but NOT above that.

Let's not freak out about stuff before they're even being used. (I have racked up ~60 wifi battles so far, and I've only faced ONE rhyperior on a competitive team. I've faced about 6 bronzongs, which is THE counter to rhyperior, the one that ohko's it and takes less the 50% damage on the switch.)
 
TVboyCanti said:
Overreacting ftw lol.

Anyway. The gist of what I've seen from this thread is that "Rhyperior is broken because nothing that can hurt rhyperior can switch in on it and take no damage". Congrats, this means that rhyperior is good now. This balances rhyperiors terrible speed stat. If a pokemon had rhyperiors' speed and weaknesses and couldnt do 50%+ damage to to things, it would suck and be unusable. This is why nobody used rhydon in RS. Rhyperior is a vast improvement, bringing it up to the levels of the 600 base stat pokemon in terms of killing power, but NOT above that.

Let's not freak out about stuff before they're even being used. (I have racked up ~60 wifi battles so far, and I've only faced ONE rhyperior on a competitive team. I've faced about 6 bronzongs, which is THE counter to rhyperior, the one that ohko's it and takes less the 50% damage on the switch.)
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Bronzong a counter to Rhyperior?
CBMegahorn can RAPE the bell.
EQ / GyroBall won't be doing much to Rhy either.
If it just so happens to be the Heat Proof Bronzong (no comment), then GG w/ EQ.

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Anyways, one simple question to ask (though it may just depend on the TEAM it's placed into):

Is it better to treat Rhyperior as:
- A WALL that can Attack
OR
- A Sweeper that can Wall?
 
if skarmory can do it, why not Rhyperior? Its typing isnt as great, but it is still a physical wall nonetheless. Rhyperior has even better HP than Skarm. Just a thought...


Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Nature: Impish (+Def -SAtk)/Jolly (+Spd -SAtk)
Trait: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Spd/Atk

-Roar
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
 
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