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Most Generation PRNG Help / Information
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Ok, so I looked it over again and the rash female I got could also have been frame 1. I only called elm when I hit my seed / delay because I thought that would advance the frame.
So does this mean that I actually didn't advance the frame at all? After elm calls to verify, I would tyen have to call joey to hit my "egg" frame? Which leads me to believe that even though these guides simply refer to frames, there are actually 2 different kinds of frames?
I mostly just want tobe sure of what I did wrong so I dont make the same mistake twice...thanks
So does this mean that I actually didn't advance the frame at all? After elm calls to verify, I would tyen have to call joey to hit my "egg" frame? Which leads me to believe that even though these guides simply refer to frames, there are actually 2 different kinds of frames?
I mostly just want tobe sure of what I did wrong so I dont make the same mistake twice...thanks
My egg frame is 11. seed is 1E0E01F4. 36056 id and 13665 sid. I have the lati still roaming. so that's supposed to start me on frame 2. I called elm and verified getting (p skipped) p k p e p p e p e. After making all those calls, I should have been at frame 11, so I deposited the parents (no attached items) into the daycare. yet, when I got the first egg and hatched it, it was non shiny, female rash. which is frame 1. there were no phone calls between depositing and collecting the egg.
So does that mean calling elm doesn't advance the pidrng? Or do I have to advance it after they are deposited into the daycare?
edit:
I'm using RNG Reporter 9.93 beta
Yes. For PID/Shinyness Elm will not advance your frame. So the best way to advance it that I've found is to use odd frames and Joey. As for IVs, they are advanced by elm, so while you call you're advancing frames. (Joey advances for IVs too, but in my experience you won't use him too often when advancing Egg IVs.)
Edit: @ the above post
Yeah elm will not advance for shinyness, only IVs. You call elm to verify and then advance it with Joey. So if it's 11 you need to call Joey 5 times and deposit parents.
So the fact that the egg I got corresponded to frame 1 instead of 2 means that the roamers don't advance the PID/shinyness either?
I'll be sure to use joey after verification next time.
Thanks for the help.
Since your frame pretty much starts on 2 now, you should search for even PID frames. You'll actually be unable to hit 11. You'd hit 12, with what I said above.
Edit:
You technically can advance the frame by 1 by saying no to the daycare man about accepting the first egg, and then using Joey to call 4 times to get to 11. This method might get a little bit complicated, as it takes a bit longer and makes it easier for you to get a call that messes up your frame.
In the 4th generation, the RNG that determines your Pokemon egg's PID and its IVs are separate. You can't advance that RNG without actually accepting eggs one by one, the elm calls were just to verify that you hit your seed. Next time, use a seed that has the shiny on frame 1.
unfortunately, I don't have a shiny seed for frame 1.
Ok, so now I know that gen 4 has two different frame, the PID and the IV frames. While joey advances both, elm only advances the IV frames. also, I know the wandering lati advances the IV frame, but does it advance the PID frame, too?
I'm believing no since when I hit my seed before, I actually didn't advance the PID frame, only the IV frame with elm calls, so that would mean I should have hit frame 2, but actually I got the shiny/nature/gender for frame 1, not frame 2. hence, it would seem wandering lati doesn't advance PID frame.
I've always killed the roamers when breeding on HGSS, as they had caused me unnecessary confusion. From what RNG reporter says, your starting PID frame is 2. Yes, there are two different kinds of frames because there are two different kinds of seeds your hitting.
So I managed to hit my seed again, and this time after verifying, I used joey to advance from frame 1 to 11 of the PIDRNG. When the old man turned sideways, I stood next to him, saved, then took the egg and verified that it was shiny / brave / female as expected. So I hard reset and changed the date/time for my IV frame seed. However, I can't seem to get anything close to it for the life of me. The elm responses aren't anywhere near anything that shows up in the see to time adjacent finder. I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong at this point. I've hit the IV seed before though, for the larvitar that I'm using as a parent now, actually. The only thing I could imagine is wrong would be the stats of the parents, but I verified the stats with pokecheck, so I don't think it's that...unless the seconds / delay somehow changed. but for the past few days that I've been doing this, I've been consistently hitting 13 seconds and 485-500 in the delay. I even opened up the adjacent finder to display 14 s too, just to be sure I'm not hitting that on accident, but to no avail.
Okay you're probably getting advanced by the NPCs. Try saving again and hitting the seed after that.
excellent, that worked. thanks for all the help cassie (and everyone else, too).
I'm the proud new owner of a shiny brave female larvitar, 31 31 31 22 31 0.
woot.
that was quite the process...worth it though! now to get enough bp for low kick...
Hi rng in platinum at spear pillar after palkia and dialga I need advice on rng in this game I've just realised I have two roamers still in game plus I'm not exactly sure when to save and how to go about rng these 2 pokemon as only done wondercards and stationary legends in 4th gen. My question is what is best way to go about rng'ng these pokemon should I capture my roaming pokemon and does rng start when I press a in front of blue then pink glowing lights or is it as normal when I press continue on menu screen? Thanks
I'm trying to RNG the lugia in my heartgold game now.
I know the radio doesn't work in the cave. I can live with not being able to verify if I hit my delay because I'm pretty good at that - if I get it wrong I'll just try 1-2 more times. But how would I advance my frame if I can't use the radio and can't call people?
Also are there NPCs in the cave (i.e does the frame start at 1?)
thanks!
I know the radio doesn't work in the cave. I can live with not being able to verify if I hit my delay because I'm pretty good at that - if I get it wrong I'll just try 1-2 more times. But how would I advance my frame if I can't use the radio and can't call people?
Also are there NPCs in the cave (i.e does the frame start at 1?)
thanks!
You can stand right outside Lugia's cave to do your advancements/Elm Calls. Once your done doing the advancing and confirming your seed, you can enter lugias main chamber and encounter it like normal, since wild pokemon do not exist in Lugia's main chamber. (this is all barring you DON'T trip the 128 step counter while walking to lugia, though)
There are no NPCs in Whirl Islands either, so the starting frame is one, yes.
So what you are saying is that if say my flawless shiny frame is on 88 and I have 5 pokemon in my party, I advance the frame to 83 and walk 128 steps then encounter lugia?
No, that's pointless extra work. Just advance the frame normally, then if you catch Lugia and it's 5 frames past your target, do 5 less next time.
You could do that, but you don't have to. Just advance to your target frame and interact with Lugia. He's saying that you could trip the 128 step counter accidentally, because when you get into the game you don't always start at 0 steps, the step counter saves the steps you had from when you last saved. So you could have possibly saved at 127 steps without knowing it.
But that's probably not the case :P But if you do see 5 advancements that you didn't make, just adjust for it the next time you hit your seed.
Edit: Ninja'd.
But that's probably not the case :P But if you do see 5 advancements that you didn't make, just adjust for it the next time you hit your seed.
Edit: Ninja'd.
[edit] Found out my answer to that one.
But is anyone going to answer this one for me?
But is anyone going to answer this one for me?
It's a normal RNG using Method 1. Just bring 5 Pokemon into the party and do a sync test for delay before you go into the Sinjoh Ruins. The phone works there thank goodness.
-James
@Abra, the IVs/PID are generated when you pick which Legendary you want. Since you can't use the phone inside the ruins, where you pick, you have to save right outside the entrance. Then just hit your seed, advance to your target frame, go through that history lesson, or w/e it is, that Cynthia gives you, and pick your legendary.
Now, when I RNGd this, I experienced no frame advancements. I just advanced to my target and my Giratina was shiny. But since you had that weird 1 frame advancement at the E4, Idk. Maybe you'll get one. Also keep in mind you might trip the 128 step counter.
Now, when I RNGd this, I experienced no frame advancements. I just advanced to my target and my Giratina was shiny. But since you had that weird 1 frame advancement at the E4, Idk. Maybe you'll get one. Also keep in mind you might trip the 128 step counter.
Ok... So this is so amazing that this works so well. I've mostly used this just for some shiny eggs, and recently acctually tried to get IV's I wanted on an egg and after about a dozen resets hit the spread I was looking for.
Well, I am currently trying to snag a Shiny Giratina from the Distortion world. My goal was: Shiny, and a lower number of journal flips was more important than stats. I wanted a decent Hidden Power Fire if possible.
I found a spread that fit that bill. Took me forever to hit the right seed [verified with coin flips]. However, when I did my journal flips the Giratina I encountered was not shiny. I used my masterball to catch it, then checked it's stats. It was an otherwise exact match for the seed I thought I was looking for.
My question... Is this a fluke? Does it happen often? Do I need to look for a different seed I can hit? I spent hours on the resetting before I hit the spread once, I don't want to do this again if it's not going to result in my shiny Giratina. Any help would be much, Much appreciated...
Here goes some details:
Trainer: Ringo
ID:18496
SID: 26653
Seed I was aiming for is: 2d1402b7
I used April 8, 2009 from the date range at 20:00.13 delay is 686
The frame I was trying to hit was 199. since it was distortion world I subtracted 23 as I would need to bring the journal up then close it after the page flips. This meant 88 flips to hit the frame I needed.
The actual stats on that frame were:
9 / 16 / 15 / 6 / 27 / 30 -- Hidden Power Fire 69
Please if anyone can offer help or advice I would be so greatful.
--Ringo
Well, I am currently trying to snag a Shiny Giratina from the Distortion world. My goal was: Shiny, and a lower number of journal flips was more important than stats. I wanted a decent Hidden Power Fire if possible.
I found a spread that fit that bill. Took me forever to hit the right seed [verified with coin flips]. However, when I did my journal flips the Giratina I encountered was not shiny. I used my masterball to catch it, then checked it's stats. It was an otherwise exact match for the seed I thought I was looking for.
My question... Is this a fluke? Does it happen often? Do I need to look for a different seed I can hit? I spent hours on the resetting before I hit the spread once, I don't want to do this again if it's not going to result in my shiny Giratina. Any help would be much, Much appreciated...
Here goes some details:
Trainer: Ringo
ID:18496
SID: 26653
Seed I was aiming for is: 2d1402b7
I used April 8, 2009 from the date range at 20:00.13 delay is 686
The frame I was trying to hit was 199. since it was distortion world I subtracted 23 as I would need to bring the journal up then close it after the page flips. This meant 88 flips to hit the frame I needed.
The actual stats on that frame were:
9 / 16 / 15 / 6 / 27 / 30 -- Hidden Power Fire 69
Please if anyone can offer help or advice I would be so greatful.
--Ringo