I remember seeing those group of people, I was right infront if them at the line. I probably should have stayed longer tbh. Then again, I didn't know anybody sadly.
Honestly, what was even going on in that tournament? Sand veil garchomp is the absolute worst and is pretty much the entire reason for VGC 2012 being a shitty meta. The amount of times I've said this before, then it goes and actually happens at nationals.
Awful, awful matches going on here to the point where I'd flat out quit pokemon if I didn't know this kind of thing is rare. And I'm only really referring to the hax. When you realise that almost everyone you know on here lost to a worse player who haxed them, something is wrong. (Though Shoe instead got timestalled out by KEEEEEFKAAAAAA jajajaja)
Just going by my own matches, here's something of an indication how bad things were for me (and it was hardly only happening to me):
Round 2 I was critted 3 times, rockslide doubleflinched twice, sand veiled 3 times. Yeah. Saved the vid.
Round 3 I was critted 3 times in a bloody row right at the start of the game.
Round 4 was unusual in that I didn't take any crits at all. Mostly because I didn't even take a single hit, which proves a bit of a point.
By round 5 I just could not take it any more. Forgetting how there were a few crits mixed in with this (though one of my only two crits of the tournament as well) which were why it happened anyway, sand veil going off 4 turns in a row is just not funny. It's complete bullshit, even, and when I find out who decided to invent sand veil in the first place I'm going to personally throw a can of orange juice into his fucking face, this time on purpose. When you withstand all of this and end up losing to the TIMER AGAIN it crosses over from being "bs hax" into "god hates me and all i stand for" and this is just not cool.
I've done some rough maths on how me and gree ended up losing (they're roughly the same odds). It comes out at roundabout a 1/3500 chance for sand veil to go off 6 times with or 4 times without brightpowder in these situations. Combine that with the crits involved and the odds of some of us losing here are considerably higher than those of finding shinies or scoring high on the lottery or whatever. Sand veil going off 7 times between the only 2 games involving garchomp (none of them from my own) is just not right. Only that double water spout crit on Huy in 2010 comes close to this level of absolute shite.
Don't get me wrong, I had a lovely day out today and had a lot of fun. But it has to be pointed out, what actually happened for this year's UK nationals is pretty much taking the piss. For so many good people to get gayed out so early, and for actual noobs to be making the later rounds is absolutely disgusting. And sorry, but that Gary guy, really cool team I know, but I cannot see how it could have coped with any actually good players in a typical fight with no major hax. Just look at how Ruben absolutely destroyed him in the final and it doesn't make sense. The Gary team wasn't even hax-reliant but because of the theme it had so many gaping weaknesses to common mons used by good players. Chandelure on its own basically meant gg for example, which is exactly what happened in the final.
Anyway, it's not often things like this happen in VGC and when they do it honestly depresses me. Not in the "POKEMON IS A SERIOUS THING THESE PROBLEMS MATTER" way but more in a "Things just are not going right for me... why" way. Like I said earlier, I'm all for hax mixing things up and making the game more exciting. I'm even all for how it widens skill levels and stops a battle from being a foregone conclusion. But then again sometimes it's just ridiculous. I know I'm good, yeah, but I'm hardly god. Can't blame you for forgetting sometimes, pokemon, but come on mate loosen up a little and stop being a bastard.
Anyway, I'm gonna try to go to France. The chances of all this happening again are pretty much zero. If it does happen again I'm just going to quit pokemon or something.
Fuck garchomp.
If I am honest, coming from someone who lost to him in T16, I didn't care nor would he if there was a lot of people cheering the UK Player because that would be the case, he can be arrogant if he wants to be because he is the winner, if I win Madrid (which I won't), I will be dedicating my victory to Ruben purposely because of his success in Birmingham and if any Spanish have a problem with that then it'll just be hypocritical.
I say, let them say what they like and let people make their own assumptions, truth is though that we do play a metagame with mechanics allowing luck so getting worked up over someone winning in a game full of mechanics that could just not go your way is going to destroy your character and personality right in front of others.
Oh and we do play as Europe together because we're all invited to each other's qualifiers. The whole arrogance is his tactic to put you off your confidence and to lose your cool and if you fall for it then you will have no confidence and will not make your best decisions in battle, it's a face, just like in boxing before they get in the ring the hype is all just to try and put the opponent off, unfortunately pokémon requires one person to go through and one to go out and hence trainers who pay a lot of money to go across Europe will try everything within the means of the rules to perform better, I mean wouldn't you?
Yeah, this is a very true point but then you're asking yourself if you're a hardcore player dedicated or a player who plays just a bit now and then and is just there for the vibe, either are cool and fine and to be honest I'm a bit of both but I always learnt from a young age that if I want to get something then I have to work hard to pay for it and hence perhaps this is the concepts, to be honest getting the time off work has been really hard as well so it isn't really workable for most people.You make a good point, but surely you can't deny that for people who can't compete anywhere other than where they live, money or whatever restricting, it would seem a little unfair that they only get one go?
I want to congratulate Reuben for his victory, but I really would appreciate it if he could develop a little sportsmanship. Confidence is understandable when you're that good, but outright arrogance? It just comes across as downright rude. Ironic that Ben should be cosplaying the most arrogant of all the characters in the franchise, yet was the more humble in his victories and loss.
Also, I find it incredibly odd that a bunch of Spanish players choose to compete in the UK Regionals. It's quite irritating that Reuben is representing the UK when he is not from the UK. It might be a less bitter pill to swallow if our main representative wasn't so cringingly arrogant.
Yeah, this is a very true point but then you're asking yourself if you're a hardcore player dedicated or a player who plays just a bit now and then and is just there for the vibe, either are cool and fine and to be honest I'm a bit of both but I always learnt from a young age that if I want to get something then I have to work hard to pay for it and hence perhaps this is the concepts, to be honest getting the time off work has been really hard as well so it isn't really workable for most people.
Perhaps they might consider it for next year, I reckon they should just do a Nationals in which the top 16 win trips to Paris for the European Finals or something with LCQ, swiss top cut.
If Ruben plays to the crowd and tries to have fun all the jealous Brits call him arrogant. If anybody British did it then they'd be a wonderful character and fun for the entire tournament. I'm really sick of you all judging Ruben and calling him this and that as a way to disguise what you really want to say. It's pretty fucking clear from walking around the NEC today that the majority of people there disliked Ruben because he's Spanish, not because he's arrogant, because really he isn't.
So he shouts and dances when he wins. Is that what makes him arrogant? Well fuck, I guess he should just sit in silence poking away at his touch screen like everybody else instead of trying to bring a little fun and character to the competition.
To be honest, I don't think I'd have the confidence to go to another country to take part, so I tip my hat at Ruben for that - but as I've said, my issue is not with his nationality, it's with the exuberance following a victory.He carries a Spanish flag with him. Yeah, he does. He's from Spain. He's representing his country in another tournament. You'd probably all do something similar is you went and played in another country.
It was actually during his earlier battles; I remembered him from last year and all I remember was thinking the chap was a little full of himself. (And I don't believe that [Being Good At Something] permits a person to be arrogant.And where's this unsportsmanship that you bring up? Ruben is one of the friendliest players I've ever met. He asks for photos with everybody he battles, tries his best to talk to them even though he doesn't even speak english. I saw no unsportsmanship on stage during the final, he shakes hands with his opponents, there's no bad body language. Seriously, can someone please tell me how he is unsporting at all. Oh right, he's Spanish.
...ok so we're going into full out insults now. I absolutely take offence at that; are you inferring that Ben is one of those "shit UK players" that simply chanced his way to victory?If you want to be a bunch of xenophobic fucks, grow some balls and do it in public instead of trash talking a good player out of sheer jealousy. Ruben is the best UK representative we could ask for because he's not shit like all the UK players. Congratulations Ruben, you're awesome.
So he shouts and dances when he wins.
Zog said:So pokemon is actually really, really really strategy-based and luck plays hardly any part whatsoever if you're good enough. The best players learn to play around the game and be responsible for everything that happens, and look how that works out for them: it's the same group of people winning every year. I mean look at how ruben absolutely stomped our nationals last year. No hax, he was just a flat out better player than everyone he faced. Hax is just an excuse people use for not being sufficiently better than their opponent, and unless it's really exceptional (I'm talking 4 flinches in a row off a rock sliding scarfer, quad full paralysis, 3 turn freeze etc) you are never going to be haxed out by a bad player unless you're not good enough in the first place.
Zog said:It's complete bullshit, even, and when I find out who decided to invent sand veil in the first place I'm going to personally throw a can of orange juice into his fucking face, this time on purpose. When you withstand all of this and end up losing to the TIMER AGAIN it crosses over from being "bs hax" into "god hates me and all i stand for" and this is just not cool.
please, don't insult the rest of the UK players by calling them shit. They absolutely were not to have got as far as they did.
I think Kinneas makes a fair point but defining the UK Players like that is a bit incorrect, I mean, we must take into account the amount of hax that happened today and the fact it is single elimination perhaps thwarted some of the better players from proving their mettle and having the opportunity of winning, single elimination can be really cruel, but apart from that I am totally with you in regards to Zog's post.
Yeah, fair point hahaWelcome to Pokemon and VGC.
Jajaja but kin that's the point I'm pretty sure you read that properly right, that is what I mean by exceptional. That I lasted so long through pisstakingly hard hax proves my point, even.
I haven't actually lost a match to losing the game in my last 3 VGCs remember, only timer
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