Right before that though, Black Kyurem uses what almost certainly looks like Freeze Shock, so White Kyurem may have just been using Freeze burn.
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Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th
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Kyurem's 'counters' aren't going to be stopped with a fire attack stronger than HP fire. Stealth rock + priority attack is still a dead dragon. Unless the missing 20 stat points go into speed, he's still a powerful but easily picked off pokemon.
Kyurem has PERFECT coverage in Dragon-Attack, Ice Beam, & Focus Blast. Kyurem doesn't have coverage issues. At all. It can run HP Fire for a 4th Move if it really wants to hit Ferrothorn or Jirachi harder than Focus Blast. It's not even an issue.
It's only move-set problem is that it's Physical Move-pool is absolute garbage with Outrage as it's only half-decent Physical Attack. Fusion Bolt would help, but not much since all it would do it hit a Steel-types neutrally, still making it a nearly free switch-in for Scizor and it would do nothing for Special Kyurem.
Have you seen the anime? http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Anime_move_errors
I really doubt its going to affect its defenses. The other dragons have their defenses, Kyurem has whooping 125 HP instead (and we can safely assume they wont change).
Shifting the respective attack 130->150 is also the only thing that actually explains where the seemingly random 660 TBS came from anyway, so it gets on par with the other 2 when the respective attack gets a boost.
Even conceptwise, getting a generator attached to its plug-tail, that look like imitations of the real energy tails, just gives it a boost in power, not armor/defense. It looks stronger but its still covered in the same kind of broken icy bits as before, with bigger arms and a wing here or there. Its still Kyurem.
I suppose ideally Kyurem-B would be physically oriented and get a few additional options for it? Maybe Icicle Crash or something else than just Freeze Shock.
Focus Blast is a terrible coverage move. And it's still not enough to get past specially defensive Jirachi.
Yes, I have seen the anime. I have also stated that the recent seasons have accurate movepools.
I seriously doubt that White Kyurem won't be able to learn fire attacks in-game after seeing it using Flamethrower in the trailer.
Ah, I didn't make myself clear enough.
I meant that Victini appears to be the only 5th generation Pokémon that could logically receive another forme, one we haven't heard about yet. Forme gaining is usually reserved for legendaries or quasi-legendaries (which Rotom arguably is, with his Pokédex placement, one-per-game availability and general mysteriousness). Non-trio-master legendaries also rarely get any love. I don't think Reshiram and Zekrom will be changed when Kyurem will, and the Kamis and Musketeers aren't going anywhere. Meloetta already has an alternate forme, and Genesect IS an alternate forme per defini- oh.
Genesect-O, anyone? Just throwing the possibility out here, for later. They won't reveal an alternate Genesect before revealing the first one.
My money's on Meloetta Step Forme or alternately a new Victini.
Agreed, Focus Blast is shit. Kyurem has massive coverage issues. Focus Blast doesn't stop Scizor from switching in and forcing you out with Bullet Punch, forcing you to take another 25% the next time you switch in. It doesn't get past Jirachi, and hitting twice in a row is less than a 50% chance. Kyurem desperately wants a fire move for coverage. It has less coverage than the Lati's, and if you think they wouldn't appreciate a simple Flamethrower you're crazy.
No she didn't! She got a footnote that showed some anime art.
In fact that's the best way to describe Meloetta's situation: a footnote.
Footnote on the poster. Footnote on smash/shuta. Footnote in CoroCoro. Mild footnote on the website. Footnote on being new in general.
I've never seen an event legendary get so little hype surrounding it.
also this:
was just taken off the Pikachu Short part of the poster iirc
...Oh. I'm not that good with recognizing Sugimori art anymore, I guess
Well I guess it might still be sugimori who drew it (and the rest of the poster?) but I dunno if they have anime people make the posters or not
I actually had a theory that Genesect is actually Armaldo. I mean, they're both ancient bug pokemon. :P But I think "Genesect-O" could be revealed next generation as a actually pokemon, along with the dragon that was made up of Zekrom, Reshiram, and Kyurem.
It could be something with Larvesta and Volcarona because of their odd placement in the pokedex and I think Volcarona sort of has this mysterious vibe to it.
Or they could be boring and it's Meloetta's second form.
Serebii says Pokemon Smash is going to "reveal of a lot of information" on April 8th. Nice, I guess.
I wonder what this new Pokemon/form is going to be... Could be Meloetta and/or her Step form, or it could be Genesect, or it could be some kinda Kyurem-Zekrom-Reshiram hybrid super dragon.
I wonder what this new Pokemon/form is going to be... Could be Meloetta and/or her Step form, or it could be Genesect, or it could be some kinda Kyurem-Zekrom-Reshiram hybrid super dragon.
Reshiram & Zekrom were one Pokemon. Kyurem had no part in that. Kyurem came from space in an icy meteor long after Reshiram & Zekrom split apart.
Kyurem is just a Pokemon that happens to be able to absorb power from them. It's basically a Deoxys that absorbs power from Pokemon (and apparently eats people) instead of getting power from meteorites.
I didn't say anything about Jirachi, I said coverage. Kyurem can hit everything in the game minus Shedinja with 3 Moves. With Fusion Flare, Kyurem gets walled by, say it with me, everyone: Heatran. It needs Focus Blast. HP Fire/Fusion Flare only helps take down some Pokemon, it doesn't add to it's coverage because it has everything covered already.
But now I will say something about Jirachi because you felt it necessary to bring it up:
252 SpAtk Life Orb Kyurem Fusion Flare vs 252 HP/224 SpDef Jirachi: 57.43% - 67.33%
2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
Nope.
Fusion Flare would be a great 4th move for hitting some Steel-types harder than Focus Blast (outside of Rain) but that's about it.
Kyurem is just a Pokemon that happens to be able to absorb power from them. It's basically a Deoxys that absorbs power from Pokemon (and apparently eats people) instead of getting power from meteorites.
So Terrakion has garbage coverage because Stone Edge is inaccurate? Please.
I didn't say anything about Jirachi, I said coverage. Kyurem can hit everything in the game minus Shedinja with 3 Moves. With Fusion Flare, Kyurem gets walled by, say it with me, everyone: Heatran. It needs Focus Blast. HP Fire/Fusion Flare only helps take down some Pokemon, it doesn't add to it's coverage because it has everything covered already.
But now I will say something about Jirachi because you felt it necessary to bring it up:
252 SpAtk Life Orb Kyurem Fusion Flare vs 252 HP/224 SpDef Jirachi: 57.43% - 67.33%
2 hits to KO (with Leftovers)
Nope.
Fusion Flare would be a great 4th move for hitting some Steel-types harder than Focus Blast (outside of Rain) but that's about it.
I wouldn't say this for certain. It's true that's what the legend in Lacunosa says, but this can also be a case of coincidences. We don't know enough about what happened between the dragon splitting and the meteor falling.
For all we know Kyurem really is the discarded remains of the original dragon that didn't start freezing people until smacked by a meteor (and then stopped presumably when it froze its mouth over because it is the Most Pathetic Dragon).
it all seems like a bit too large of a coincidence for an unrelated space dragon to just so happen to share design similarities and just so happen to be able to absorb Zek/Resh's powers and just so happen to be so decriped looking and lacking a heatsource/powersupply/??? to stop it from freezing itself.
also for whatever it's worth the movie's official website says this about kyurem
"The mythologies of the trio are implied to be connected, despite having no true relation. The origins of Zekrom and Reshiram are told in legends, as they were once a single powerful Dragon Pokémon used by twin heroes in order to create the Unova region. But the brothers each sought something different in life—truth for the older brother and ideals for the younger—and they began to argue, then fight, over who's side was right. The single dragon, in response, split into two Pokémon: Reshiram, who sided with the older twin, and Zekrom, who sided with the younger twin. The two dragons were equally matched as they battled and neither conquered the other. As a result, the brothers set aside their differences, and equally declared there was no right side, either. But the sons of the heroes resumed the fight, and Reshiram and Zekrom destroyed the region with their fire and lightning powers. They subsequently disappeared afterward.
At the beginning of Black and White, one of them resides in the Dragonspiral Tower, who is called upon by N to create his ideal world. The player is tasked with finding the other dragon in its corresponding stone (Light Stone in Black and Dark Stone in White) and revive it to resolve the history the twins began in the past.
Kyurem's origins are much different than those of the other two. The third dragon came down to Earth from an icy meteor and crashed into a place called Giant Chasm. An old legend in Lacunosa Town describing Kyurem claims that it would take people and Pokémon away from the town and eat them; this is why the town is now surrounded by a giant wall."
At the beginning of Black and White, one of them resides in the Dragonspiral Tower, who is called upon by N to create his ideal world. The player is tasked with finding the other dragon in its corresponding stone (Light Stone in Black and Dark Stone in White) and revive it to resolve the history the twins began in the past.
Kyurem's origins are much different than those of the other two. The third dragon came down to Earth from an icy meteor and crashed into a place called Giant Chasm. An old legend in Lacunosa Town describing Kyurem claims that it would take people and Pokémon away from the town and eat them; this is why the town is now surrounded by a giant wall."
White Kyurem is most likely getting a Sp. Atk. increase and a 100% accurate coverage move is better than a 70% one.
Besides your calculations show that with Fusion Flare it can finally 2HKO specially defensive Jirachi, something that Kyurem can't do right now, which proves my point.
Nice c&p, though you forgot to add the first paragraph where in the first sentence it says "The mythologies of the trio are implied to be connected, despite having no true relation" and the relation is probably what BW2 will be about. So no, Kyurem just doesn't happen to be a pokemon that can absorb their power. Now I was probably ahead of myself when I said all three was part of the Original Dragon, but it is a popular theory and a likely scenario.
"Over 300 million years ago, it was feared as the strongest of hunters. It has been modified by Team Plasma."
"It is thought to have inhabited beaches 300 million years ago. It is protected by a stiff shell." - Kabuto dex entry.
It doesnt look similar apart from the core body shape, but I thought the 300million year thing was fun lol.
Katakiri said:
Katakiri, I think there are too many obvious relations of Kyurem with Resh/Zek for him to be a random dragon falling off the sky: the type core (Electric/Fire/Ice), the name (Rom/Ram/Rem), similar level-up moves (http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Tao_trio#Similar_movesets), and more.
And if I remember correctly Giratina wasn't mentioned in any Sinnoh Legend before Platinum. So chance says Lacunosa's Legend is just a... legend.
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