Well the normal Kyurem is just the incomplete one. The two new ones are more complete. So why would the incomplete one have a trait that really differentiates it from its more complete forme? I just don't see it really getting anything.
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Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 (DS, June in JP, Fall in EU/NA/AU) - Updated May 12th
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Well the normal Kyurem is just the incomplete one. The two new ones are more complete. So why would the incomplete one have a trait that really differentiates it from its more complete forme? I just don't see it really getting anything.
Rotom is also completely shitty, compared to Rotom-A. Granted, SNOW WARNING HELL YEAH may be a bit too much, but ONLY 5 more base Speed would be ridiculous. It would be like, as suggested before in this thread, making the new Kyurem Fire/Dragon and Electric/Dragon. Guess what guys, that would make Resh/Zek utter useless. And I'm sure Game Freak doesn't like making carbon copy pokémon. Specially not if it's a legendary.
...Unless, of course, Kyurem is treated as a pre-evolution. Then I'll never complain again lol
...Unless, of course, Kyurem is treated as a pre-evolution. Then I'll never complain again lol
^ I thought the discussions were about Fire/Ice and Electric/Ice, and most of the discussion was about how shitty Fire/Ice would be defensively due to SR fucking it over 50% of its' health or something to those ends. Regardless, that is true about the carbon copy thing, would be kinda anti-climactic if Kyurem really was Fire/Dragon - Electric/Dragon with the new forms. Would make Resh/Zek useless. :|
I highly doubt that, there have never been Legendary Pokémon that could evolve, and I'm not counting the weird egg situation with Manaphy and Phione, either.
I'm hoping that interacting with that scientist, don't remember exact quote, who unlocks pokemon's... will change kyurem's form like deoxy's meteorite but there probably does have to be some trade off. It would suck if you were forced to know one of the charge moves to keep its forms and suffer from 3 move slot syndrome. I have a suspicion against it being a hold item since Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina all had hold items while Zek/Resh don't.
The new Kyurems are both Ice/Dragon still. Their sig moves are also ice type so I assume they kept it that way so it could get stab and also to not make something so similar to Zekrom and Reshiram.
EDIT: To clarify they are confirmed as Ice/Dragon
We've seen the new "team". It's not Aqua or Magma, they have black uniforms and ALL of them have red hair.
Here's the pic:
i was referring to my original post, that it may be a merger. not actually magma or aqua individually.
and one screenshot does not confirm they ALL have red hair. it just proves all in the screenshot have red hair.
We've seen the new "team". It's not Aqua or Magma, they have black uniforms and ALL of them have red hair.
Here's the pic:
Looks like Team Rocket to me!
This is the HGSS art. Yes I know their hair looks a bit more pinkish, but there's a definite resemblance.
Seeing as Reshiram and Zekrom both have base 100 HP but Weak Kyurem has base 125 HP, perhaps the new Kyurem formes will have a weaker HP stat. Also, as Weak Kyurem has even Atk/SpA stats, the new formes could have stats similar to Reshi/Zek for the appropriate forme, e.g. Kyurem-White having 110 Atk and 150 SpA. But this is just speculation.
I'd too would like to see the Kyurem formes have an ability other than Pressure, and while Snow Warning would be nice I feel it is more likely that Snow Warning would be given to something else.
Oh god relying on focus miss will be over with a fire move.
Umm... the first half of the Unova Pokédex consists almost entirely of carbon copies. You're right about legendaries, though. They usually have some variety between them. You have the obligatory fetus/fairy-mons, but apart from that they all feel quite original.
Also, everybody, GameFreak rarely gives a rat's tail on how well individual Pokémon fare in competitive battling. As long as there is something that does something well, and something else to keep it from being broken, they can be happy. Look at Regigigias, for instance. Pathetically weak for being a Trio Master, and nothing has been done to remedy this. If the new formes completely overshadow Kyurem in all aspects, so be it.
Do you really think some Fire/Electric moves will make frozen chicken Kyurem rise to OU? It have the same stats and typing. Meanwhile, tons of Pokes with good stats and coverage sink in the low tiers. With other pokes getting new toys via tutor, old Kyurem will be UU or BL again at best.
FUCK YES.
Looks like Team Rocket to me!
This is the HGSS art. Yes I know their hair looks a bit more pinkish, but there's a definite resemblance.
FUCK YES.
I can see some similarities, yes. Still not sure on what to make of this. If it's Team Rocket returned, then hooray! If not, well, that's unoriginality if I ever saw it.
Edit: Remember Jessie & James' new Unova uniforms. The GameFreak operative in Castelia plays the Team Rocket takeover theme. The grunt in Icirrus. There are hints towards this, indeed.
Yeah, I have to say that Chicken McIceNugget-forme Kyurem would probably make it into OU if it had better coverage moves. 130/130/95 offenses would give it a real niche as a terrifyingly potent mixed attacker; I can see, say, a mixed Scarf set wreaking all kinds of havoc. Just drop stupidly powerful attacks everywhere from either side of the spectrum. Having Kyurem's offenses is something most Pokémon would kill for, even with its unfortunate Speed tier.
The only problem is having... physical moves. Hydreigon has 125 SAtk and 98 Speed and has better typing and ability than Kyurem, the latter having only Blizzard to help its case. Now, if we get an Icicle Crash tutor (or fuck this shit, give it Dragon Dance already), we would be talkng.
Forms have never had changes in base HP, why start now?
Also, I don't think people realize how useful just the addition of Flamethrower would be to Kyurem's movepool. Focus Blast, the other option for hitting steels, only has a 49% chance of hitting twice in a row... That is TERRIBLE.
Kyurem needs Focus Blast not only for Tyranitar, but also for Heatran. Therefore, I don't really see the benefits of learning Flamethrower unless the White form gets pseudo-STAB in it.
Well, I'm not sure Heatran would like a Turboblaze Flamethrower.
EDIT-- 130 Base SAtk 252 EV Specs Modest Kyurem's Flamethrower vs. 248/100 Calm Heatran: 34.8% - 41%
Derp.
EDIT-- 130 Base SAtk 252 EV Specs Modest Kyurem's Flamethrower vs. 248/100 Calm Heatran: 34.8% - 41%
Derp.
Icicle Crash or Dragon Dance would be fantastic, but honestly it'd work well enough with even a minimal movepool upgrade.
Something like this (EVs could definitely be better, but these are enough for a set that can't yet happen! I'm too lazy to do exact calcs for this thing's Attack EVs; you could probably have some actual Speed investment, though.):
Kyurem@Choice Scarf
Pressure
Naive, 252 Atk/252 SpA/4 Spe
-Draco Meteor
-Outrage
-Fire Blast
-Ice Beam/Thunderbolt
Build lets it outspeed most of the metagame in spite of low investment. Switch in on something that's taken a bit of damage and kill it. You can beat Kyurem if you can outrun it with Scarf Latios or something, but given adequate prediction this thing is HARD to wall. I think Tyranitar and Heatran can handle its attacks- not much else.
I think people are really underestimating how terrifying a pair of base 130 offenses could be if this thing had a real movepool.
(now, what'd be really great would be a nice Fighting attack!)
We've seen the new "team". It's not Aqua or Magma, they have black uniforms and ALL of them have red hair.
Here's the pic:
Don't get your panties in a bunch. They're police officers.
or nazi soldiers.
It does need Focus Blast, but you're kidding yourself if you think you're going to reliably take out Jirachi, Scizor, Ferrothorn, etc. with it. Flamethrower would be a welcome boost; it would only increase its ability to hit its checks harder and more consistently (which is important because of its weakness to Stealth Rock).
The uniforms dropped 20 episodes into the series, the "operative" that just plays a tune he likes and the easter egg grunt that completely gave up trying to rebuild Team Rocket.
Hints indeed
No, they're actual police officers. Check the one east of Nimbasa City.
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