Adamant LO can 2HKO Skarm with a +2 Mach Punch (47.9%-56.6%), and it's guaranteed with SR.
But since Skarm can OHKO back with Brave Bird, I would sleep fodder the Amoonguss.
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But since Skarm can OHKO back with Brave Bird, I would sleep fodder the Amoonguss.
I'd say Either one will suffice as a death fodder, scarfwynaut.
SKARMORY is not OHKOed by a +2 Mach punch (pretty close), and can OHKO breloom (might kill itself) while amoonguss is able to keep breloom at +0 with clear smog and I think it can 2hko breloom with clear smog. Id say use SKARMORY as a sleep fodder, but either way, you win
In my experiences in DW, Jolly Breloom is the most popular to beat gliscors and to beat opposing brelooms. Furthermore, I found that some people like myself use fight gem to get certain KOs. (LOL I know)
SKARMORY is not OHKOed by a +2 Mach punch (pretty close), and can OHKO breloom (might kill itself) while amoonguss is able to keep breloom at +0 with clear smog and I think it can 2hko breloom with clear smog. Id say use SKARMORY as a sleep fodder, but either way, you win
In my experiences in DW, Jolly Breloom is the most popular to beat gliscors and to beat opposing brelooms. Furthermore, I found that some people like myself use fight gem to get certain KOs. (LOL I know)
Definitely Amoongus. You're going to want to keep Skarmory awake so that it can threaten Breloom with an OHKO from Brave Bird. Amoongus doesn't really have that luxury, and outside of Stun Spore or the rare HP ice it can't really run hurt Breloom.
Amoongus' don't use sludge bomb. Not yet anyway hehe.
No! Use SKARMORY for sure! It is a better sleep fodder.
Let say your opponent has a breloom out against a ferrothorn.
I'll talk of two scenarios:
1. You sacrifice amoonguss
The breloom swords dances on the switch to amoonguss.
The breloom spores amoonguss.
You switch into skarmory while the breloom Mach punches on the switch
The second Mach punch KOes skarmory. (if it doesnt, brave bird recoil kills it)
2. Use skarmory as a death fodder
Breloom swords dances on te switch
Skarmory is put to sleep with spore
You switch to amoonguss and bullet seed does about 40 percent average.
Then you clear smog as you get hit by another bullet seed so now you are at about 25 health while breloom is at +0 an low low health.
Now you just stall out life orb (you can switch back to skarmory or somethin to trigger regenerator) or kill with clear smog
Let say your opponent has a breloom out against a ferrothorn.
I'll talk of two scenarios:
1. You sacrifice amoonguss
The breloom swords dances on the switch to amoonguss.
The breloom spores amoonguss.
You switch into skarmory while the breloom Mach punches on the switch
The second Mach punch KOes skarmory. (if it doesnt, brave bird recoil kills it)
2. Use skarmory as a death fodder
Breloom swords dances on te switch
Skarmory is put to sleep with spore
You switch to amoonguss and bullet seed does about 40 percent average.
Then you clear smog as you get hit by another bullet seed so now you are at about 25 health while breloom is at +0 an low low health.
Now you just stall out life orb (you can switch back to skarmory or somethin to trigger regenerator) or kill with clear smog
Except that nobody would leave their breloom in at that point. They'd definitely switch out and bring in something that doesn't care about clear smog and you're still left with a worthless skarm and now they've brought in their own counter.
Might even be better to run Xatu at this point since even if Xatu was running the 56 speed evs to outspeed all adamant Breloom
252 Adamant life orb Breloom 5x Bullet Seed on 252Hp/196Def Xatu: 62.9% - 73.4%
You'll live while with espeon...
252 Adamant life orb Breloom 5x Bullet Seed on std 252/0 Espeon: 197.6% - 233.5%
You die
Just my 2 cents :P
I did the wrong calc in the end, used the old 10bp bullet seed
Espeon dies 2 times over
As a note, HP Flying Salamence is super duper rare in DW! As is HP Flying Zapdos but less so.
That said, I think really the only thing that can effectively take out Breloom in this meta is Skarmory. Even defensive Gliscor has a run for its money, as it takes 4 hits at 65.5% - 78%, meaning that its going to be pretty tough to stall Breloom out of Life Orb recoil, even with Poison Heal and Roost and its disposal. In fact, the all onsite Gliscor spreads outspeed Breloom, which is really bad, considering that now it can hit it for super effective damage with its flying typing removed.
So yeah, gg meta.
That said, I think really the only thing that can effectively take out Breloom in this meta is Skarmory. Even defensive Gliscor has a run for its money, as it takes 4 hits at 65.5% - 78%, meaning that its going to be pretty tough to stall Breloom out of Life Orb recoil, even with Poison Heal and Roost and its disposal. In fact, the all onsite Gliscor spreads outspeed Breloom, which is really bad, considering that now it can hit it for super effective damage with its flying typing removed.
So yeah, gg meta.
1. Not true
2. Why are we forgetting about all the stuff that resists mach punch, outspeeds, and ohkos, things like tornadus starmie etc
Can we see hard damage calcs on that?
+2 Adamant technician LO breloom Mach punch vs. 252/252 impish skarmory: 47.9% - 56.6%
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGC09B810Yk
+2 252 Adamant Life orb Breloom Mach Punch on 252/252 Skarm: 47.9% - 56.6%
However...
0 impish Skarm Brave Bird on 0/0 Breloom: 196.9% - 233.6%
edit: Half ninja'd :P
This Pokemon is amazing for what it accomplishes with only one good stat. Techniloom is an excellent addition that'll bolster the argument for an Excadrill re-introduction. It is also very anti-weather since it's STABs hit all auto-inducers SE except Ninetales (who's very frail).
But once something absorbs Spore, there should be options to deal with it. Dragonite resists Breloom's STABs and Extremespeed has higher priority than Mach Punch. Intimidate Salamence and the Latis are also available to revenge. Breloom also has to be more wary of Scald/Will-o-Wisp burns without Poison Heal.
Still, Spore and the resulting switching will give so many setup opportunities it's scary.
Maybe we'll be seeing more Xatu...lol
But once something absorbs Spore, there should be options to deal with it. Dragonite resists Breloom's STABs and Extremespeed has higher priority than Mach Punch. Intimidate Salamence and the Latis are also available to revenge. Breloom also has to be more wary of Scald/Will-o-Wisp burns without Poison Heal.
Still, Spore and the resulting switching will give so many setup opportunities it's scary.
Maybe we'll be seeing more Xatu...lol
Oh, so we are assuming Adamant.
I've also been running Jolly for a year and a half. With Lefties on Skarm, no 2HKO. Regardless, Brave Bird is going to OHKO.
There are also about 50 more checks to Techniloom, so yeah.
Why jolly? Breloom isn't going to outspeed anything with his pitiful speed to my knowledge, unless I'm missing specific threats here? Any switch ins that it might outspeed after low sweep/rock tomb?
Skarmory isn't a shaky check or counter. Nobody is saying otherwise. For that matter, nobody is worried about checking breloom either. The counters and the walls are the issue here. Skarmory is fine unless it switches into a +2 Mach punch.
Skarmory isn't a shaky check or counter. Nobody is saying otherwise. For that matter, nobody is worried about checking breloom either. The counters and the walls are the issue here. Skarmory is fine unless it switches into a +2 Mach punch.