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League of Legends: Let's Talk About uhhh??
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oh wow the former roster of CLG.EU look like they're signing on with Evil Geniuses instead of Azubu
never woulda seen that coming
never woulda seen that coming
i really thought it was going to be azubu too, but it seems like they were both vying for them and EG won out. i cant help but this pick up has something to do with sir scoots departure.
I feel like Blitz has too much utility and bulk for the amount of damage he does. In the laning phase he can burst off half your health and essentially guarantee a kill or popped summoners, and your summoners have a way longer cooldown then his combo.
Would a good solution to this be to swap his ult and his Q? You would have to nerf his ult to a smaller size and lower damage but have a lower cooldown as well, and increase the cooldown on grab (since it's already pretty much an ult in terms of how gamechanging it is). Then, just make grab have a cooldown that reduces to a set amount (say 15 seconds) if he lands the grab.
Would a good solution to this be to swap his ult and his Q? You would have to nerf his ult to a smaller size and lower damage but have a lower cooldown as well, and increase the cooldown on grab (since it's already pretty much an ult in terms of how gamechanging it is). Then, just make grab have a cooldown that reduces to a set amount (say 15 seconds) if he lands the grab.
doing that would make blitzcrank completely unviable as a support
his grab is not nearly good enough of an ability to be an ultimate and it's quite literally hit or miss
there are ways to play him and ways to play around him and even ways to counter him if you do get grabbed. if a player could land every single hook on blitzcrank, he'd be kinda broken (which is why people ban blitz against MadLife) but since he scales so proportionally with player skill, most people aren't good enough at him to really justify calling him "broken"
easy solution for now is just play ezreal or get a support alistar/leona/nunu.
his grab is not nearly good enough of an ability to be an ultimate and it's quite literally hit or miss
there are ways to play him and ways to play around him and even ways to counter him if you do get grabbed. if a player could land every single hook on blitzcrank, he'd be kinda broken (which is why people ban blitz against MadLife) but since he scales so proportionally with player skill, most people aren't good enough at him to really justify calling him "broken"
easy solution for now is just play ezreal or get a support alistar/leona/nunu.
A good solution is to not get grabbed by him.
Reduce to 15 if he lands it? I think you mean if he doesn't, otherwise Blitz would drop off the face of the game.
I really don't see the problem, Leona plays pretty much the same in lane. I'd rather have offensive lanes than the super sustain we used to have.
I really don't see the problem, Leona plays pretty much the same in lane. I'd rather have offensive lanes than the super sustain we used to have.
That's my biggest problem with the game right now: the answer is always "pick Ez" or "pick Kat".
Exactly-raises Blitz's skillcap so bad Blitz's don't get to spam grab until they land one and good Blitz's get to grab more.
I think the answer is to possess a little hindsight, trends like these are extremely fragile. If you aren't in a highly skilled metagame it doesn't matter much who you pick, and if you are of the highest skill you get to dictate who is FotM.
Honestly, I don't know why every time I say something about Blitz or Ez everyone is always like "just dodge it". It's NOT THAT EASY! You can't JUST DODGE it every time, especially if you were only blessed with low 1300s skill and can barely CS and talk at the same time.
Yes, Blitzcrank's grab is slow enough to dodge (sometimes), but that DOESN'T MATTER because if he lands ONE GRAB, JUST ONE GRAB, then you're dead or popping summoners. And he can still W out from a brush past the minions, and then he gets a clear shot on both you and your support. Or he can just knock you up, ult you, then grab you as you run. The only skill involved with Blitzcrank is making sure not to grab Amumu, Malphite, or Alistar into the middle of your team.
Ezreal is equally infuriating, for a different reason. His Q is basically an autoattack with bonus damage since it has such a fast travel speed, procs onhits and lifesteal, and has a nonexistant mana cost. He's also ungankable thanks to the new Sightstone and his E which is a get out of 1v5 facecheck free card on a 15 second cooldown. There's no way to trade with him unless you're playing Draven or MF, and then you have no escape so even a Shyvana gank will kill you.
It's enraging, and I'm reaching my breaking point. I'm going to play normal drafts for a while, and dodge every time Ez isn't banned, and see if that makes me feel better. If it doesn't...idk what I'm gonna do.
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@Vintage Books-looks like I'll be dodging a lot then. I refuse to play against him until he gets nerfed to a level where it's possible to trade with him.
Yes, Blitzcrank's grab is slow enough to dodge (sometimes), but that DOESN'T MATTER because if he lands ONE GRAB, JUST ONE GRAB, then you're dead or popping summoners. And he can still W out from a brush past the minions, and then he gets a clear shot on both you and your support. Or he can just knock you up, ult you, then grab you as you run. The only skill involved with Blitzcrank is making sure not to grab Amumu, Malphite, or Alistar into the middle of your team.
Ezreal is equally infuriating, for a different reason. His Q is basically an autoattack with bonus damage since it has such a fast travel speed, procs onhits and lifesteal, and has a nonexistant mana cost. He's also ungankable thanks to the new Sightstone and his E which is a get out of 1v5 facecheck free card on a 15 second cooldown. There's no way to trade with him unless you're playing Draven or MF, and then you have no escape so even a Shyvana gank will kill you.
It's enraging, and I'm reaching my breaking point. I'm going to play normal drafts for a while, and dodge every time Ez isn't banned, and see if that makes me feel better. If it doesn't...idk what I'm gonna do.
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@Vintage Books-looks like I'll be dodging a lot then. I refuse to play against him until he gets nerfed to a level where it's possible to trade with him.
As good as I am with Blitzcrank, it can be very annoying to have players hide behind minions. You mention many things a Blitz CAN do but you have to keep in mind Blitz is extremely mana hungry.
I thought Ez was good for years and only one pro player ever agreed with me until relatively very recent. It really depends on how good the opponent is, most of the people jumping onto the bandwagon shouldn't be a real problem.
I thought Ez was good for years and only one pro player ever agreed with me until relatively very recent. It really depends on how good the opponent is, most of the people jumping onto the bandwagon shouldn't be a real problem.
ezreal is never banned in normal draft
ezreal was played something like 46/72 times at IPL5 and not banned once
at OGN winter (which is the most recent Korean tournament that's still going on) ezreal is like third in popularity. miss fortune and caitlyn are both more popular picks than him, surprisingly, and even though ezreal's strong, he still only has slightly above a 50% winrate in competitive play
at OGN winter (which is the most recent Korean tournament that's still going on) ezreal is like third in popularity. miss fortune and caitlyn are both more popular picks than him, surprisingly, and even though ezreal's strong, he still only has slightly above a 50% winrate in competitive play
sivir's problem is 500 range with no escape, ezreal is still safer than her in teamfights because of this.
she does hard counter blitz tho !!
ezreal actually loses to a fair few other ADs if they outright fight him, it's poke wars that he wins. with the loss of his aspd debuff he loses fights.
I do think he's a retarded champion tho and his E is a retard mode easy skill, so frustrating to play an aggressive support and ezreal mindlessly walks up to you then E's away with no repercussions to him for his bad play.
she does hard counter blitz tho !!
ezreal actually loses to a fair few other ADs if they outright fight him, it's poke wars that he wins. with the loss of his aspd debuff he loses fights.
I do think he's a retarded champion tho and his E is a retard mode easy skill, so frustrating to play an aggressive support and ezreal mindlessly walks up to you then E's away with no repercussions to him for his bad play.
Blitzcrank isn't a strong champion at all, good positioning beats good grabs any day of the week and his "burst" really isn't high at all, its just that he has a CC combo of grab+knockup+silence while the enemy AD can hit you with everything they have. However you can flash out before he uses E even if you do get grabbed, and unless you were laning with less than about 75% health odds are the enemy team can't burst you from 100-0. Blitz is an offensive support and you should play carefully around him.
That being said I ban Blitzcrank 100% of the time in ranked simply because whenever Blitzcrank is on my team he feeds super hard and whenever he is on the other team my bot lane gives up and just feeds because "You didn't ban Blitz".
He's a champ a lot of people love to hate, but is by no means broken.
That being said I ban Blitzcrank 100% of the time in ranked simply because whenever Blitzcrank is on my team he feeds super hard and whenever he is on the other team my bot lane gives up and just feeds because "You didn't ban Blitz".
He's a champ a lot of people love to hate, but is by no means broken.
ok so you burn a 5 minute cooldown summoner to negative a 18 seconds cd normal spell.. blitzcrank wins that trade every time. he has free reign to land another grab and guess what, flash is gone for 5 minutes for a jungle gank or general lane pressure.
something i am unsure of the timing of, so i wont state as fact, is that blitzcrank can queue e up before he pulls in order to knockup when the pull lands immediately. what i am unsure of is if you can flash before this happens, i think you can but still i dunno.
all of that is just in laning. he doesnt even have to land a pull in lane, the threat is always there with a competent blitz. in endgame, blitzcrank creates undesirable positioning sitatiuons for the enemy team, with excess wards blitzcrank can create 5v4s with ease for his team
his kit is universally agreed on as ridiculous, where he is literally banned up through diamond elo (though not at 100% like he is until 1600ish).
hes respected as a hero to fear, and you wont find many people to disagree with that
a game is never lost if you have blitz pulls, no matter how far behind your team is. that is how game changing of a champion he is.
This: my issue is having to constantly worry about and play around getting grabbed rather than actually occasionally getting grabbed. The counterplay to Blitzcrank's grab is far more frustrating than most other champions' because he is a ridiculous zoner. Leona is strong too, but it's not quite comparable when Blitzcrank pulls you away from your (carry/support) and can run at you with that speed.
Occasionally getting grabbed is honestly just reality. If you're getting grabbed over and over in lane and feeding hard every time then you just need to practise not dying to Blitzcrank, but once in awhile you're just gonna die. He is a kill support, although quite a strong one admittedly. Once in awhile he'll hit a good hook and kill you. The insane zoning is the frustrating part of the laning vs. Blitzcrank.
I don't particularly hate playing against Blitzcrank, especially since I play Lulu most of the time, but it is very annoying because that zoning is just obscene, and every ADC everywhere hates Blitzcrank, so...
Yeah, Blitzcrank can be counterpicked. Pick (counter)initiators/disengagers. Doesn't hurt to have other things that like being grabbed on the rest of your team either. He is blind pick terror, but there's a reason I don't play Sona in blind pick. You go in expecting to face Blitzcrank.
lots of pros have been playing alistar more lately, but he is difficult to play at a high skill level and very easy to be completely awful at. will still be permabanned at low elo despite his lack of strength currently... hes no longer as good as he used to be yet still gets banned all the time