Pokémon Sylveon

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I've been thinking that a support-ish mono-attacking set might work. 252 hp/252 def/ 4 sp. attack with bold nature and wish, baton pass, calm mind and moonblast. Good for pashing wishes, and acts sort of as a defensive pivot. Thoughts?
 
I know that a lot of you think that distributing to Sylveon's defense is the way to go, but have any of you tried out focusing on its Special Defense? Sylveon tanks special attacks like nothing and I have it on my team to do as such. It makes a wonderful special tank, especially with Wish and Heal Bell (which it gets the latter after Pokebank comes out) and with its typing it doesn't have to worry about much.
 
BlazingBarrager said:
I know that a lot of you think that distributing to Sylveon's defense is the way to go, but have any of you tried out focusing on its Special Defense? Sylveon tanks special attacks like nothing and I have it on my team to do as such. It makes a wonderful special tank, especially with Wish and Heal Bell (which it gets the latter after Pokebank comes out) and with its typing it doesn't have to worry about much.
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Except for the fact that many special attackers have psyshock, are mixed attackers, or are pivots, such as Rotom-W, Celebi, Greninja, etc. and can switch to a physical attacker on a moment's notice without having to predict switches. This makes it extremely difficult for Sylveon to get anything done and makes him setup fodder for everything that resists Hyper Voice.
Sure it can tank [special] hits, but the fact of the matter is that it gets a 117 Base power STAB sound move off of 110 Base SAtk. That's kind of strong, in my opinion. So instead of making Sylveon a 'special tank', I propose that Sylveon should be more offensively oriented. As such, Def EVs should keep Sylveon well rounded enough to fire a decent amount of Hyper Voices at your opponent.
 
BlazingBarrager said:
I know that a lot of you think that distributing to Sylveon's defense is the way to go, but have any of you tried out focusing on its Special Defense? Sylveon tanks special attacks like nothing and I have it on my team to do as such. It makes a wonderful special tank, especially with Wish and Heal Bell (which it gets the latter after Pokebank comes out) and with its typing it doesn't have to worry about much.
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I actually bred and used a sylveon like you describe- very special defensively oriented. It performed really badly, and I ended up rarely using it because of that. It ended up losing 1 on 1 to a friend's poorly EV trained sylveon that used mixed attacks; that's how frail special defense sylveon is physically, But that's just my experience.
 
teamdelibird said:
I actually bred and used a sylveon like you describe- very special defensively oriented. It performed really badly, and I ended up rarely using it because of that. It ended up losing 1 on 1 to a friend's poorly EV trained sylveon that used mixed attacks; that's how frail special defense sylveon is physically, But that's just my experience.
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Good thing pokemon isn't 1v1 mirror matches then.
 
Cheeze Ballz said:
It's level 80+ so is that a problem-o. Also, why do people invest in HP? does HP act like both Def and Sp.D? I still truly don't understand that.
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Well a pokemon is going to take a set amount of damage from an attack, and thus the more HP it has the less percentage overall the attack does to the pokemon. It is true that a pokemon with 252 defense EVs only, has superior physical bulk to the same pokemon with 252 hp Evs only, however defensive pokemon tend to only want to take an attack on one end of their defenses, thus to maximize that defense an investment in both HP and defense maximizes the ability to take hits on one end, while HP can confer a small cushion on the opposite end of defense.

If you rank the level of defensive ability a pokemon with 252 def / 252 sdef investment can take both physical hits and special hits better than a pokemon with just 252 hp investment, however a pokemon with 252 hp / 252 def or sdef can take that side of attacks far better than a pokemon with just 252 evs in that defensive stat, thus a spread with HP and defense investment is usually ideal, because youre trying to maximize defenses on one end, but it still gives you some on the other.
 
Will there be any merit to running Cute Charm and Moonblast on a heavily defense invested set when Pixilate Hyper Voice is legal, or is the damage enough to completely outclass the sp.atk drop?
 
ManlySylveon said:
Will there be any merit to running Cute Charm and Moonblast on a heavily defense invested set when Pixilate Hyper Voice is legal, or is the damage enough to completely outclass the sp.atk drop?
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It's not just the damage. Hyper Voice also bypasses Subs making it more than worth the SpA drop chance.
 
ive been using a very intersting but surprisingly effective set of

sylveon@lefties
pixilate
careful
252hp/4atk/252spd
curse
rest
sleep talk
facade

this all started when i was trying to actual take advantage of pixilate and i saw that it would need to be physically. after a curse or 2 its atk becomes passable and facade, while sleeping, factoring pixilate and STAB becomes a base 265 fairy move. plus, sylveon has a good potential to cause switches and get the 1st curse and it becomes supprisingly bulky after a few curses.
 
gman0079 said:
ive been using a very intersting but surprisingly effective set of

sylveon@lefties
pixilate
careful
252hp/4atk/252spd
curse
rest
sleep talk
facade

this all started when i was trying to actual take advantage of pixilate and i saw that it would need to be physically. after a curse or 2 its atk becomes passable and facade, while sleeping, factoring pixilate and STAB becomes a base 265 fairy move. plus, sylveon has a good potential to cause switches and get the 1st curse and it becomes supprisingly bulky after a few curses.
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There are a few quick things I noted. One, Facade doesn't get boosted by sleep so you're better off using Return. And secondly, single-attack sets are so easily walled and with nice steel types running about in every tier Sylveon is gonna have a bad time.

Thirdly... It has Base 110 Special Attack on tap. I know you probably want to get the jump on people but working with a Base 65 Attack seems like a strange choice. Work Up from Gen V Eevee is a nice one to try.
 
Plasma.EXE said:
I don't see Garchomp as a counter (it's not switching in on moonblast for sure).

Venusaur/Mega Venusaur walls and outspeeds Sylveon, only having to worry about Psyshock, which I don't think is that common as it usually runs Moonblast/Shadow ball for perfect coverage on a sub-calm mind set (unless they opt to run 3 moves). Sleep powder completely stops Sylveon from doing any wish passing and gives Venusaur time to heal off damage from switching in on a psyshock.
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Its not switching in to moonblast but garchomp is faster and poison jab does a ton of damage.
 
Martingale said:
There are a few quick things I noted. One, Facade doesn't get boosted by sleep so you're better off using Return. And secondly, single-attack sets are so easily walled and with nice steel types running about in every tier Sylveon is gonna have a bad time.

Thirdly... It has Base 110 Special Attack on tap. I know you probably want to get the jump on people but working with a Base 65 Attack seems like a strange choice. Work Up from Gen V Eevee is a nice one to try.
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wow i feel dumb, i have been operating under the assumption that facade got the boost with sleep... what if i changed it to something similar like
curse
wish
protect
return
??

my real question is, does physical sylpheon seem viable at all?
 
gman0079 said:
wow i feel dumb, i have been operating under the assumption that facade got the boost with sleep... what if i changed it to something similar like
curse
wish
protect
return
??

my real question is, does physical sylpheon seem viable at all?
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Not at all. Sylveon isn't going to be denting, let alone killing, anything with that low Attack stat. Either go Moonblast or breed an Eevee in B/W with its HA and teach it Hyper Voice via B2/W2 move tutor.
 
BlazingBarrager said:
Not at all. Sylveon isn't going to be denting, let alone killing, anything with that low Attack stat. Either go Moonblast or breed an Eevee in B/W with its HA and teach it Hyper Voice via B2/W2 move tutor.
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that's disappointing, ive been wanting a good physical eevee since 4th gen and ive always been underwhelmed by flareon, even now that it got flareblitz.
 
ThatPunGuy said:
I honestly see no reason to run this over florges
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Better physical defense, huge movepool (especially compared to Moonblast+Calm Mind+Aromatherapy+Wish+Grass-type moves), negligible Special Attack and Special Defense differences, who cares about Attack and Speed, and an ability that actually does something.

Honestly I see no reason to run Florges over Sylveon. Especially once Pokebank comes out.
 
Hey. So, I was wondering, what should I use: Modest (SPA 252/ Def 252/ Spe 4) or Bold (Spa 252/Def 252/ Spe 4)? (more into offense)
I see lot of people boosting its HP, and I don't get it. I mean, wouldn't be better to improve its defense, once it lacks of it? Why HP would be better? I'm sorry being "ignorant" but I'm kind of new in the competitive part of the game, so I really don't know :/

So please help me, I really don't know what to do and I really want a Sylveon on my team x_x
 
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