The cold thing is a myth as big as his playoff record. Stop being so blind.
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The Everything NFL Thread - 2013-2014 Edition
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The cold thing is a myth as big as his playoff record. Stop being so blind.
A myth? Is that why Peyton Manning's stats go way down when the temperature drops? They've been airing this stuff ever since the loss at New England about how he doesn't play as well in the cold, and yet you call ME blind. Sheesh...
The cold thing is a myth. Being on the road for most of those games is why he "sucks".
His playoff record is true, but completely irrelevant. Lest not we forget the Eli-Romo debate. Is Eli better for his amazing playoff runs? Hell no. Romos regular season stats are way better, so he is better.
Like i've always said about Peyton, fuck the playoffs. They're just meaningless games peyton detractors want to make seem more important to somehow show he isn't clutch or whatever.
I don't think they've quite decided that yet. The article I read said they may still be evaluating the situation and more punishment might be coming. It's possible they are waiting to see where the Steelers' picks are going to fall before they decide what else to do. I sure hope they don't take picks away though, that seems excessive.
Yeah they are still deciding on whether or not to remove picks, likely on if they decide it was intentional or not. I personally think the fine is plenty, and I dislike the Steelers as much as the next guy. The outcome of the play may or may not have been affected (Jones says it was), but at least the game result wasn't altered like in the cases of previous draft revocations (Spygate, Bountygate, etc.)
I dunno, if the Steelers lose say some late round compensatory pick, they're not even really worth much. Now if they end up losing something in the first 5 rounds or so, then that could definitely impact them and would be kinda harsh. But still, considering this is a first time offense (I think?), losing any draft pick at this point would pretty much just be the NFL making an example of them so no one else is ever encouraged to try that tactic.
Broncos vs. Seahawks is probably going to be the Super Bowl, yes. Seattle has all but locked up home field and they haven't lost at home since around A.D. 560, while the Broncos are just so much better than every other team in the AFC. One of their losses was a complete fluke and both losses came on the road. New England sure as hell isn't beating Denver in Denver, either. The only team in the AFC I could see beating Denver is Cincinnati, but that's only if the game is played in Cincinnati, which ain't happenin'.
Seattle and New Orleans are still the best two teams in the NFL. Assuming neither of those teams pulls a divisional round choke job, one of them will host the NFC title game. It will likely be Seattle, meaning they're going to the Super Bowl, where they'll beat Denver somewhat handily. If you could separate teams into "tiers", here's how I'd break it down:
Elite Teams: New Orleans, Seattle
Very Good Teams: Cincinnati, Denver, Philly
Good Teams: Arizona, Carolina, Detroit, Green Bay, New England San Francisco
Average Teams: Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, San Diego
Below-Average Teams: Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Tennessee
Jacksonville Teams: Jacksonville
Also the Steelers should not lose a draft pick. Suspend Tomlin for a game or make him coach from the box for a game or two. But don't take a pick away from an organization when one person did one isolated, stupid thing.
But enough about that. There are four weeks left in the season, so we need to talk playoffs. Here are some completely facetious predictions for the playoff-relevant teams:
Week 14: Jags>Texans, Falcons>Packers, Raiders>Jets, Eagles>Lions, Vikings>Ravens, Cowboys>Bears, Dolphins>Steelers
Week 15: Bears>Browns, Vikings>Eagles, Jaguars>Bills, Chiefs>Raiders, Cowboys>Packers, Bengals>Steelers, Ravens>Lions
Week 16: Vikings>Bengals, Browns>Jets, Eagles>Bears, Jaguars>Titans, Giants>Lions, Steelers>Packers, Patriots>Ravens
Week 17: Packers>Bears, Bengals>Ravens, Jaguars>Colts, Jets>Dolphins, Vikings>Lions, Steelers>Browns, Broncos>Raiders
Super Bowl: Jaguars over Vikings, both of whom make the playoffs in this scenario.
Seattle and New Orleans are still the best two teams in the NFL. Assuming neither of those teams pulls a divisional round choke job, one of them will host the NFC title game. It will likely be Seattle, meaning they're going to the Super Bowl, where they'll beat Denver somewhat handily. If you could separate teams into "tiers", here's how I'd break it down:
Elite Teams: New Orleans, Seattle
Very Good Teams: Cincinnati, Denver, Philly
Good Teams: Arizona, Carolina, Detroit, Green Bay, New England San Francisco
Average Teams: Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, NY Giants, Pittsburgh, San Diego
Below-Average Teams: Atlanta, Baltimore, Buffalo, Dallas, Houston, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Tennessee
Jacksonville Teams: Jacksonville
Also the Steelers should not lose a draft pick. Suspend Tomlin for a game or make him coach from the box for a game or two. But don't take a pick away from an organization when one person did one isolated, stupid thing.
But enough about that. There are four weeks left in the season, so we need to talk playoffs. Here are some completely facetious predictions for the playoff-relevant teams:
Week 14: Jags>Texans, Falcons>Packers, Raiders>Jets, Eagles>Lions, Vikings>Ravens, Cowboys>Bears, Dolphins>Steelers
Week 15: Bears>Browns, Vikings>Eagles, Jaguars>Bills, Chiefs>Raiders, Cowboys>Packers, Bengals>Steelers, Ravens>Lions
Week 16: Vikings>Bengals, Browns>Jets, Eagles>Bears, Jaguars>Titans, Giants>Lions, Steelers>Packers, Patriots>Ravens
Week 17: Packers>Bears, Bengals>Ravens, Jaguars>Colts, Jets>Dolphins, Vikings>Lions, Steelers>Browns, Broncos>Raiders
Super Bowl: Jaguars over Vikings, both of whom make the playoffs in this scenario.
you're young lolcat, so it's okay that youve tried drugs but get off them asap. You're putting an injured GB on par w/ Carolina, NE etc. You're ranking an inconsistent Eagles caught up in a Foles hype train (he isn't impressive as his stats show, watch the games), a Bengals team who are equally as inconsistent, and you're saying Denver who has the best offense in the league and is 10-2 isn't as good as Saints. Are you high? Denver has a better offense then the Saints, and the Saints have a beat up defense. Maybe you and I didn't watch the same game this past Monday,, but let me give you a spoiler - it wasn't worse. I don't think I have seen Seattle blow out a team that bad all year, let alone the "2nd best team in the league" by your standings.
NE is looking VERY threatening and Brady is on his game right now. Carolina has the BEST defense in the league, they absolutely destroyed a revamped Buccaneers team (despite the record, they almost beat seattle, knocked off the Lions, they aren't a bad team). I don't get your logic at all.
NE is looking VERY threatening and Brady is on his game right now. Carolina has the BEST defense in the league, they absolutely destroyed a revamped Buccaneers team (despite the record, they almost beat seattle, knocked off the Lions, they aren't a bad team). I don't get your logic at all.
imo suspending/fining the coach is a message that what the coach did was wrong and will not be tolerated, accidental or not, while revoking a draft pick is a message saying that what the organization did was wrong (implying that it was intentional and planned at an organizational level)
Anyone who watched Monday's game knows that the Saints cannot possibly be the #2 team in the NFL unless the Seahawks are the NFL's chosen ones (either that or Qwest field is built on the world's largest supply of Adderall). There is a clear and obvious strategy that the top defenses in the NFL are utilizing to take advantage of them: Stop Jimmy Graham, win the game. Seattle and Carolina both are very well equipped to do just that, and I'd be very surprised to see them come out on top of both in the NFC.
I want to say Carolina is definitely the #2 team in the NFC (well, no I don't, fuck the Panthers (but fuck the Saints more)), but I'd really have to see them play well against a great defense. In three games this year against opponents with top 10 defenses (Seattle, Arizona, and San Francisco) they've scored a grand sum of 23 points, though two of those games were within the first month of the season and they haven't lost since the Arizona game. The defense is obviously great, probably #2 in the NFL rather than #1, but to beat New Orleans and Seattle the offense will have to be a little more impressive. Sunday night will be a great game hopefully, but I think it's one the Panthers have an advantage in.
Anyone who watched Monday's game knows that the Saints cannot possibly be the #2 team in the NFL unless the Seahawks are the NFL's chosen ones (either that or Qwest field is built on the world's largest supply of Adderall). There is a clear and obvious strategy that the top defenses in the NFL are utilizing to take advantage of them: Stop Jimmy Graham, win the game. Seattle and Carolina both are very well equipped to do just that, and I'd be very surprised to see them come out on top of both in the NFC.
I want to say Carolina is definitely the #2 team in the NFC (well, no I don't, fuck the Panthers (but fuck the Saints more)), but I'd really have to see them play well against a great defense. In three games this year against opponents with top 10 defenses (Seattle, Arizona, and San Francisco) they've scored a grand sum of 23 points, though two of those games were within the first month of the season and they haven't lost since the Arizona game. The defense is obviously great, probably #2 in the NFL rather than #1, but to beat New Orleans and Seattle the offense will have to be a little more impressive. Sunday night will be a great game hopefully, but I think it's one the Panthers have an advantage in.
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if you cannot prove it was "organizational", then you punish the coach not the organization
How about San Francisco, who presumably could be the 2nd best team? They sure were last year, and San Francisco's defense / ability to blow games wide open is still very real this season.
Remember, records are basically fucking irrelevant when it comes to who makes Super Bowls. So is finding the absolutely most efficient team. Having the best offense, the best defense, or the best on paper team are all good things. When it comes down to postseason play though, you have to look deeper. Personally I think Panthers from the NFC, Broncos from the AFC are most likely, I forget the reason but it was based on some "this is about the only thing that predicts actual Super Bowl teams" thing, not anything to do with streaks because streaks are meaningless, just how well you perform at your best during them. I like the Niners the next most in the NFC and Patriots next most in the AFC based on how they play at their best. Seahawks Saints and Colts could all make runs, but I peg it at much less likely - all of those teams break down too consistently.
How about San Francisco, who presumably could be the 2nd best team? They sure were last year, and San Francisco's defense / ability to blow games wide open is still very real this season.
Remember, records are basically fucking irrelevant when it comes to who makes Super Bowls. So is finding the absolutely most efficient team. Having the best offense, the best defense, or the best on paper team are all good things. When it comes down to postseason play though, you have to look deeper. Personally I think Panthers from the NFC, Broncos from the AFC are most likely, I forget the reason but it was based on some "this is about the only thing that predicts actual Super Bowl teams" thing, not anything to do with streaks because streaks are meaningless, just how well you perform at your best during them. I like the Niners the next most in the NFC and Patriots next most in the AFC based on how they play at their best. Seahawks Saints and Colts could all make runs, but I peg it at much less likely - all of those teams break down too consistently.
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you can argue the Patriots game in favor for your theory, though because of the Saints' conservative playcalling late, they gave too many chances to Brady and lost themselves the game. In the Saints' other two losses, Graham scored, and in the Jets game, Graham absolutely dominated. On the other end of the spectrum, Graham went for 5 catches for 59 yards against Dallas then 6 catches for 41 yards versus SF - both wins. Perhaps in the Seahawks game, Graham didn't put up the kinds of numbers he normally does (still went for a TD), but that's not really a fair assessment to say the Saints lost because of him. The team struggled as a whole that night, and you can argue Graham was the lone bright spot. After all, to quote Hakeem Nicks, he can't throw to himself.
still, the Saints are not a one man show. not by far. Colston has lost a step but I'm still impressed with how great their offense has been. imo the key to beating the Saints, as with any good team: just outplay them and limit your mistakes
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Maybe I should have phrased it better: It's a clear and obvious strategy the rest of the NFL SHOULD be using, and one that Seattle and New England used with great success.
From actually watching the games, New Orleans' receivers cannot get open down the field consistently except for against bad secondaries (ie Buffalo, Dallas, Atlanta the first time, games where JG had <60 yards) and only give Brees the opportunity to spread the ball out in these games. The receivers are not talentless, but of the Saints top 6 targets, you have two one-trick ponies in the two deep threats (Stills/Meachem), two RBs (Thomas/Sproles), Colston (who, like you said, has lost a step) and Graham, the heart of the offense (aside from Brees obviously). The run game is still mediocre at the very best, a far cry from their spectacular 2011 campaign. If you have a defense that can mostly shut down Graham and prevent rest of the receivers from blowing the top off your secondary, you'll find that Brees and co. aren't so scary.
On a case by case basis for the three games you listed, he wasn't really targeted heavily in the Dallas game out of lack of necessity (5 targets), in the San Francisco game the defense was fairly successful, "only" holding Brees to 305 passing yards (realistically, the offense lost the game/Saints defense won the game), and the Jets somehow found a way to win despite Graham blowing up on them (every other week curse, or something).
Seattle is just a really terrible matchup for New Orleans, and Carolina's a pretty bad one too. Graham is the best player on that offense, aside from Brees, and if the Panthers can stop him they should win the game Sunday night.
From actually watching the games, New Orleans' receivers cannot get open down the field consistently except for against bad secondaries (ie Buffalo, Dallas, Atlanta the first time, games where JG had <60 yards) and only give Brees the opportunity to spread the ball out in these games. The receivers are not talentless, but of the Saints top 6 targets, you have two one-trick ponies in the two deep threats (Stills/Meachem), two RBs (Thomas/Sproles), Colston (who, like you said, has lost a step) and Graham, the heart of the offense (aside from Brees obviously). The run game is still mediocre at the very best, a far cry from their spectacular 2011 campaign. If you have a defense that can mostly shut down Graham and prevent rest of the receivers from blowing the top off your secondary, you'll find that Brees and co. aren't so scary.
On a case by case basis for the three games you listed, he wasn't really targeted heavily in the Dallas game out of lack of necessity (5 targets), in the San Francisco game the defense was fairly successful, "only" holding Brees to 305 passing yards (realistically, the offense lost the game/Saints defense won the game), and the Jets somehow found a way to win despite Graham blowing up on them (every other week curse, or something).
Seattle is just a really terrible matchup for New Orleans, and Carolina's a pretty bad one too. Graham is the best player on that offense, aside from Brees, and if the Panthers can stop him they should win the game Sunday night.
Panthers will beat the crap out of the Saints twice. Home and away
Btw, it's so ridiculous to see people putting Foles and Wilson in mvp talk
Btw, it's so ridiculous to see people putting Foles and Wilson in mvp talk
It is very dumb. As soon as a team starts winning a couple of games, the QB is instantly playing WAY better and is the reason for it so he must be an mvp candidate... My ass. Peyton won the MVP week one and the story ended there. Brees made it a little close in the middle(like i predicted) but in the end his defense still lets him down(like i predicted). Anyone who thought Peyton wasn't going to win it since week one was in denial. Also i guess people/the media need something to talk about.
And really look at it this way my friend, if people are talking about Wilson and FOLES as MVP candidates then that means realistically Peyton already won it. As Brees, Brady, Rodgers and Romo are already out of it.
Lastly, if i had a vote i'd vote for Romo. The guy gets way too little credit for doing so damn much. Dez baby Bryant looks like a top receiver in that offense for gods sake! It's Romo, and has always been Romo.
I agree with the second part, but I find the first part EXTREMELY difficult to believe. I believe they can play two close games and I believe they can split their matchups, but to insist the Panthers will dominate the Saints twice is something only a biased Panthers homer can do. I'm pretty sure our other resident Panthers fans (BiGGiE, Justin8649, Stone_cold) wouldn't even make THAT bold of an assertion.
This. I hate the Steelers quite a bit but I think losing draft picks over this would be ridiculous.
From the Texans drive with 6 minutes left in the 3rd quarter to the end of the drive where they failed going for it on 4th down (about 4.5 minutes left), the Texans called 31 straight pass plays. The only run in that stretch was a Matt Schaub scramble.
I don't care if you're down, not even calling a draw play over that large of a stretch is absolutely ridiculous. Horrid play calling, and horrid play too (177 penalty yards, that's the Raiders' style of losing).
I don't care if you're down, not even calling a draw play over that large of a stretch is absolutely ridiculous. Horrid play calling, and horrid play too (177 penalty yards, that's the Raiders' style of losing).
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