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The Everything NFL Thread - 2013-2014 Edition
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Yeah, right, I was wrong.
And the emotion was because of the record and the fact I was sure we'd get back hot, pumped up by it.
I know it's Denver, but other kickers failed to do so there, and with the cold, it's not that easy.
Now I hope NFLN analysts stop trying to put anyone in mvp's race. It's Manning's.
And the emotion was because of the record and the fact I was sure we'd get back hot, pumped up by it.
I know it's Denver, but other kickers failed to do so there, and with the cold, it's not that easy.
Now I hope NFLN analysts stop trying to put anyone in mvp's race. It's Manning's.
Nobody ever said Peyton was bad in the cold. All they said was that he tends not to play as well. That doesn't mean he's incapable of having a good game in cold weather, and his "not as well" is still better than 90% of the league's QBs on a good day. His career statistics speak for themselves: his accuracy, yardage, TD:INT and record all drop with the temperature.
the sample size people even use for this is only like 15 games or something. it's like saying Big Ben plays terribly in Super Bowls because his overall stats in those three games are pretty bad (mostly because that first Super Bowl he was like 9-20 with no tds and 2 ints or something silly but whatevs this is an exaggerated yet kind of valid example)
idk i just think it's overblown. people I know have been saying Denver has no chance at winning a SB since that game is outdoors and whatnot and Peyton will inevitably fail since they think he's awful in cold
Peyton Manning is completely awful in 100% of the games where the WEATHER is bad (cold has nothing to do with it). Particularly any game that Peyton plays in high winds or snow. And no, the sample size isn't too small for us to understand this, especially when his performances aren't just below average for him, they're consistently abysmally awful for anyone in those conditions.
to be fair, bad weather is more difficult to play in than controlled conditions for ANY QB, so it's not like lower stats are a surprise. Obviously it's possible to become more accustomed to bad weather and adjust your technique accordingly, but you're still never going to be able to throw as well as you would in perfect weather. I think dome QBs do have a slight disadvantage though, as their frequent games inside prevent them from getting as much practice in the elements as outdoor QBs get.
This. Cold/bad weather is a myth. Playing on the road affects him more. The conditions do have direct impact on his game though, through the coaches and their need to change the gameplan accordingly. So yeah, cold weather my ass.
FINALLY. Doh. I'm Brazilian, I follow the NFL regularly for only three years (I used to follow it sparingly since the first SB I watched - Denver's second) and still I get this better than most of you who are born breathing football (meanwhile we are stuck with soccer - thanks goodness football is the fastest growing sport here).
I've been saying this for AGES. Invert Brady and Manning's home place and you'll see the stats reversed. The "away" factor is WAY more relevant the the outdoors. That's why every single analyst says the best thing for the Broncos would be for us to get Home Field Advantage, because of the silence the crowd will do that'll help Peyton to do his magic at the line of scrimmage more easily.
Just going to say this one last time this season. But can the cowboys please trade Romo to a competent team? I hate the Cowboys more than ever now that i'm rooting for them. This is pissing me off so much.
The worst part is that the Eggs can definitley beat the boys in the last game if the OL plays like that. That ol is second only to the 49ers, but damn these cowboys are going to get destroyed. Romo does not get payed enough to have to play for this farce of a team.
EDIT: Dez sucks. It's all Romo. Put Dez in the Browns and he'd be out of the league already.
The worst part is that the Eggs can definitley beat the boys in the last game if the OL plays like that. That ol is second only to the 49ers, but damn these cowboys are going to get destroyed. Romo does not get payed enough to have to play for this farce of a team.
EDIT: Dez sucks. It's all Romo. Put Dez in the Browns and he'd be out of the league already.
Marshall>Green
I was gonna say Marshall>Dez, tbh. Green is basically the only reason Andy Dalton ever puts up decent stats.
Is Josh McCown the second-best quarterback in the division? He's certainly not the second-best quarterback on his team...
Damn it. My wife likes the boys, it's so difficult to tell her the results sometimes
And they'll keep with the blame on Romo, saying HE can't win in December.
And they'll keep with the blame on Romo, saying HE can't win in December.
Hey, it could be worse. My wife is a Browns fan. I don't even have to tell her the results. She already knows.
Yoooooo, I see yoooouuuu. Bringing out the confounding variable to disprove my correlation is causation assertion. Niccceee!
Except the problem is that in calling Peyton's being away in those games the confounding variable you've effectively asserted that the real reason Peyton performs poorly in cold/shitty weather isn't anything else EXCEPT the fact that he's on the road. Which would therefore imply that Peyton Manning sucks in the vast majority of his road games and not just the cold ones or the ones with shitty weather.
And because you did that I get to do this:
Peyton Manning Career Home Stats:
65.9% Completion (2725 Completions/4134 Attempts) 7.81 Yards per Attempt (32288 Total Yards) 253 TDs 96 Ints
Win-Loss: 90-29
Peyton Manning Career Away Stats:
64.9% Completion (2723 Completions/4194 Attempts) 7.56 Yards per Attempt (31721 Total Yards) 228 TDs 122 Ints
Win-Loss: 75-43
So what do we see? We see that Peyton is clearly losing more games on the road, so there is definitely a positive correlation (well done you!). However, it appears as if his performance is almost identical at home and on the road, which then completely and utterly sinks your theory that the confounding variable for Peyton's poor performance is simply by virtue of being on the road.
Peyton Manning performing poorly in the cold is also a myth (you can look up the numbers on that anywhere there've been like 40 articles on it in the past week).
However, not a single database I could find tracks the weather beyond temperature. So I can't easily look up the numbers necessary to show that Peyton is universally very terrible when the winds get flippant or when a storm is brewing and markedly less bad when the weather isn't so shit. So I still lose, but maybe one day when I'm just THAT fucking bored, I'll scour through every single game Manning's ever played to find the ones with weather and do a comparison.
Btw, you mean right now or in general? Because right now Gordon is the best wr in the league. WRs are streaky as hell. They string toether games where they look top quality, like dez last year. So yes, right now i agree with your list, just take out dez who isnt even top 10.
Can we please use more to analyze who the "best WRs in the league" are other than their receiving yards? Josh Gordon has had a big season, but that's more a product of him being literally the only option to go to in the offense. He is a great receiver don't get me wrong, but you can't simply judge people by one stat. Larry Fitzgerald is one of the best WRs I've seen in the last 20 years, based on what I've watched in his route running and amazing skill and agility in catching balls. He doesn't get to put up Josh Gordon stats because his team actually has a running game to speak of, and there are other WRs to throw to.
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