My opinions:
• Quagsire had no niche concerning Mega Luke, as it was always 2HKO'd. It's better now, as no physical pokemon without grass moves can kill it, ever. It doesn't just wall the three pokemon you mentioned. I think it's better now, and should be C+.
• Hippowdon got recked by mega Lucario. I think it's better now, as do a lot of people, and I'd actually push for A-.
• Same goes for gourgeist. It was never a true counter, as +2 Dark pulse demolished it. It's main problem is still Talonflame, so I think it should stay.
• Skarmory was also slaughtered by mega luke, 2HKO'd everytime (due to sturdy), while not really able to do much. I think it's better now, but still worthy of A-.
I agree with everything else, especially with your "will be be better off" category. Ttar is much better now, and I think is definitely worth A+.
Really? Well that's my bad, in that case definitely Quag for C+
Yeah sorry about that. Hippo should go for A-. Good point.
Nah, Gourgiest was a super good counter for Physical luc, I do agree it should stay though.
Yup another good point about skarmory.
Hippo, Skarm, and Zapdos definitely should not be dropping in fact hippo actually benefits from the changes as it no longer has to worry about genesect everywhere ruining its day the same goes for skarm. In all honesty they don't lose much from Luke going as they couldn't switch in on him anyways (nothing could) and as such were only shaky checks for him (he really had nothing but shaky checks sans defensive Gyara).
Moltres actually loses out as checking mega Luke when rocks were gone and no prior damage and a free switch in was one of its only niches (and not a very good one at that).
Krookodile and Normal Luke are fine where they are as Krook is still outclassed and normal Lucario just isn't that good this gen ( might drop to UU now)
I do agree on Ttar for A+
Crap, n00b forgot Zapdos can defog. Keep it.
Regardless, physically defensive always countered when rocks weren't up. Still standing to my point on it being pushed.
Krookodile definitely should go up IMO, as Gene and Mega Luc stopped it really hard. Luc has no more competition, no Gene is also better. I think it is solid B.
Skarmory, Chesnaught, Quagsire and Hippowdown were not able to wall Luke, they didn't really lose any niches. If anything they're even better.
Gourgiest lost to special version. Zapdos' typing is still very handy for a lot of other threats.
True on that. Chesnuaght max HP max Defense was able to counter Physical Luc IIRC though.
EDIT:
252 Atk Adaptability Mega Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 180-212 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 18.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
4 Atk Chesnaught Hammer Arm vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Lucario: 254-302 (90.3 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
That + Spiky shield KOs
True.
1- Physically defensive Zapdos: So probably should go from B+ --> B
I disagree. It's still a wonderful defog user, and has a very unique typing that gives it an edge on stuff like Scizor, which will be cropping up with the recent bans.
2- Skarmory, still walls physical sweepers, but just not as good as when mega luc was around, A- ---> B+
Skarmory was never really a counter to Lucario in the first place, considering it was 2HKO'd by CC. It's A- because it is both a defog user and hazard setter.
3- Physically defensive Hippowdon: The main reason of it's niche is walling common physical sweepers such as Talonflame and Physical Mega Luc, B+ ---> B
If anything, Hippowdon should go UP. It's still got amazing bulk and acess to Sand Stream and now it doesn't have to worry about Special Luke.
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For some reason I thought Hippowdown, Skarmory, and Quag were able to wall Mega Luc, that's my bad.
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