NOC Great Idea Mafia-Game Over! Mafia, vonFiedler, and More Cowbell win!

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There's no gain for Obbmud there. C'mon man.
The only thing spire gained from missing your post was suspicion. Your argument is that he faked not seeing your post so he could deny him only posting because you called him out, which is bollocks considering as it has been said plenty of times, he announced his post would be coming before you got subbed in! How hard is it to consider he really just wrote up his post, couldn't finish it at the library, went home and rushed it to completion without realising there had been a sub? You claim you are talking in absolutes but as long as you can't disprove the other possibilities your absolutes mean nothing.
 
Alright, we don't have too much time left (here's to hoping we get some sort of extension), so we really need to start moving towards a lynch.

As of right now, with 10 players left, there are a few possible set-ups left:

6 Village, 4 Mafia, 0 Neutral
5 Village, 4 Mafia, 1 Neutral
5 Village, 3 Mafia, 2 Neutral
4 Village, 3 Mafia, 3 Neutral (quite unlikely, this would require 3 Neutrals at the start of which at least one is a recruiter).

So, disregarding set-up, we're looking at either 3 or 4 mafia, correct? The players I consider most likely to be mafia are starwarsfan, Tesung and spiresquire. If there are 4 mafias, I'd add Obbmud to the list (the Mason claim sounds legit, but I really didn't like his sudden aggressiveness towards spiresquire once he was brought up yesterday). Now I'm not saying that this is the scum team, but I feel these are the scummiest players. My vote still goes towards starwarsfan right now.

We should all speak up about our lynch target for today, because we don't have much time left and No Lynch is not an option.
 
Nonononono. Can you at least check what setups you post? None of those are LYLO! They are either MYLO or we already possibly lost options. I'm going for the we got a second mayor option, because SK option would have killed last night and I doubt we have a doctor with nitrox dying.
 
I'm not really denying that my claim isn't scummy. I actually considered lying when you asked me to out my role, that maybe I could still try to get the mafia to kill me. But, a doctor claim wouldn't have worked. At all. Unless I claimed roleblocked, I can't see how someone wouldn't immediately suspect why I didn't save nitrox. But yes, I was practically asking the mafia to kill me. As a practically useless townie, I'd think that pretending to slip an important role in a closed setup would be the best way to spare any other possible power roles. In the post right before I claimed, you'll see that I was intentionally very vague, without really stating outright that I did something. It was my last attempt at a red herring. Oh, and I also hinted at the real role again in the first paragraph. I could've said "I don't care if the mafia kills me" but it's a lost cause now. I'm too easy of a lynch target for them to kill, and the only reason why they might is to create WIFOM shenanigans.

As for watcher claims, I still don't think there is one. If there is a claim, it's fairly easy to fake now that they could just slap me into a report to make it look legit. I'm not entirely sure if the WPWT is the ONLY person on the report or is put onto it as well as the killers, so my potential for clearing a watcher is now wasted. Unless Celever, Tesung, or von is one of the watchers, I don't really believe that there could be one.

Von, I honest-to-goodness can't tell if you're incredibly misguided/ignorant or just that obviously scummy. Is this what tunneling is? Repeatedly getting onto one user without any sort of actual ground? You talk about everyone having clouded judgement, but for someone who claims to have been stalking the thread objectively before subbing in, you sure seem all too certain on just one person, and you outright refuse to talk about anyone else. I would think that you would've paid attention to a lot more people.

You say I'm ignoring your accusations, and filling in actual defenses with pitiful excuses. Which is only partly true. Yes, my defense is little more than a dumb excuse. You're one to talk. No, I have not been ignoring you. I said that your initial reasoning for lynching me isn't that solid; it's a policy. You imply that the only reason why you were so certain that I was mafia was because your player was new and getting a lot of flak for dumb excuses, while I was entirely under the radar that means that I HAD to be mafia because it ALWAYS happens. I admitted that I haven't been all that helpful lately, but I don't really see why I would intentionally jeopardize my relatively good standing with the village by "hiding." There are some other people who aren't posting at all, and the only reason why they're not getting any sort of attention is because they immediately and calmly posted some kind of excuse. Pokeguy's was incredibly emotional, but I buy it, and I did NOT approve of the lynch on him. I don't really find you all that scummy, since you've just subbed in and I have no clue if this is how you typically play, but you need to fan out your suspicions beyond "durr idk i'm so sure on this guy so i dont know who else to lynch."

Are people really reading my posts entirely? This isn't really much of a point more than it is a question to go back on once the game's over, but on top of the fact that obbmund didn't see my long post, von thinks I'm ignoring him, LightWolf thought I was always complimenting my role, and that people didn't really point out my flawed reasoning for suspecting starwars really seems to make me feel as though my opinion's generally ignored. There are exceptions sure, but when my posts are acknowledged it's usually on one that's not really that notable.

More Cowbell has a point, we do need to lynch someone today. In my reads, I implied that I was of the opinion of a scum team of Ace_Emerald, Celever, and starwarsfan existed. My reasoning isn't all too great really, but I've noticed a connection between the three. I haven't voted on these guys because I'm not entirely sure if I'm on the right track, especially since there's plenty of other players I don't exactly feel are townie, like Tesung or Walrein. I'd like more discussion on starwars, and with Ace it's only a gut feeling at best. I don't find Celever any less scummy than before, although I'd like to know where he's been for the past day or so. I also wonder why I went from a leaning scum in his eyes to a "almost definitely scum because he hasn't posted." LightWolf I'm still rather unsure of. I need to look into Celever, LightWolf, More Cowbell, starwarsfan, and Tesung today. Maybe if I beg and plead I'll get my privileges back so that I can try that. Or I could try to sneak to the library if it's not closed.
 
Nonononono. Can you at least check what setups you post? None of those are LYLO! They are either MYLO or we already possibly lost options. I'm going for the we got a second mayor option, because SK option would have killed last night and I doubt we have a doctor with nitrox dying.

Fuck, I keep messing up these set-ups, this is like the third time I made a mistake with them. However, 3 or 4 scum is basically confirmed, unless the set-up is 5 Village, 5 Mafia, with one villager being a Major. That is correct, right?
 
Can someone give me a real explanation on why I am like half the peoples scum list? I said one dumb thing on d1 and everyone either calls me a noob or calls me mafia
Have you read the reason why you were put on their scum list in the first place days ago? There you might find your answer.
5. Tesung: Tesung is a new player, and that's quite obvious. I don't feel he's been adding much to discussions, but in general didn't stand out much either positively or negatively. Among my 4 most suspicious players (and since we likely have 4 mafia members in this game, that puts Tesung towards the scum-end of the spectrum for me).
''More experienced people don't make that kind of mistake, they usually slip on the long run by contradicting their past posts or changing their playstyle so there is so little to grab onto'' - [MYLO]LightWolf, #272

Looking at this discussion, I feel that Celever has just kept on playing like he did on previous days (and pretty much how I've seen him play in other games), while LightWolf jumps from his rational posts on earlier days to shouting and WIFOM-arguments. Would you consider this slipping? I would.

Regarding the question of why mafia doesn't jump into the discussion: why would mafia want to jump in? Assuming both of you are villagers, that means that pretty much all discussion right now goes to townies, and not to the mafia. What do you want as scum? The village wasting its time. That's kind of how I see this discussion: it's going nowhere and only costs time, which could also be used to look at other players.

Other players I'd like to call some attention to right now are starwarsfan (who promised to share his thoughts on the discussion after LoL All Stars ended, which was 24 hours ago, and who has been much more silent than on prior days), Tesung and PokeguyNXB (who still hasn't posted anything useful). These three players have been under fire before, and swf and Tesung were quite active, until this whole discussion started. This may be a case of the mafia keeping silent through this discussion, as I pointed out earlier in this post.
Tesung, I do think you are scummy. Make no mistake about that. :P However, I do feel for you. Your blatant bandwagoning is probably a tad misguided attempt to follow the village if you are noobtown, and I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. But, that doesn't excuse your godawful rationalization processes. I did catch on that your first reason for lynching Walrein was that aggressive scumhunting seemed bad to you thanks to an NOC you've read. This was your first defense. So why didn't you stick to it? If you could show me what threads you were reading, perhaps I could see where you got your misunderstanding from. But why you'd ever backpedal on your own word is beyond me. Perhaps I'm missing something? Until you explain, I'll have no choice but to assume you are scum.
These are just the scum reads on page 24 which I am clarifying. I am sure there is more.
 
K so I deleted a few posts, I have a bit more room now.

cxinlee: Please explain some of your reads as spiresquire asked.
Speaking of spiresquire, I do agree that his claim isn't anywhere near as "cleaning" as mason was -- and we all saw how I reacted to the mason claim.

I don't think its worthwhile to try to figure out setups at this time; we have about 12 hours left and we need to find a scum. Which bring me to my next point:
Obbmud99 is still my #1 scumread. When you put together all I said here with this and this, as well as his initial defense of "I declare myself to be village if you lynch me you lose", he is the scummiest player itg at least to me. But after his mason claim I don't think he's gonna get lynched.

My next scumread is probably Tesung, for the reasons in the posts obbmud linked as well as this.

I get the feeling from reading over these posts that there are some accusations/arguments I've missed, if someone could link those that'd be nice.
 
Friendly reminder that if the village doesn't hit majority by deadline, they lose.

Deadline may have to be extended tonight, but I certainly won't be pushing it into tomorrow. Will post again later on that topic.
 
I have a strange question to people mostly because I noticed an interesting trend, it feels like the whole game has starwarsfan down as at least their second option for the lynch, some maybe even in first place, so who is it currently that thinks that they might be willing to lynch him today. I'm not trying to see if we can get him lynched(okay now I kinda do) but also wondering if truly the WHOLE GAME thinks he is lynch worthy as of now.
 
I have a strange question to people mostly because I noticed an interesting trend, it feels like the whole game has starwarsfan down as at least their second option for the lynch, some maybe even in first place, so who is it currently that thinks that they might be willing to lynch him today. I'm not trying to see if we can get him lynched(okay now I kinda do) but also wondering if truly the WHOLE GAME thinks he is lynch worthy as of now.
I think I'd be willing to bandwagon that as we need to chose or we lose. I don't want to hammer wrong, but it's better than not hammering at all.
 
So, TBH, I think that the three people we can consider for a lynch at this point are Tesung, spiresquire, and Obbmud99. (Well plus me but I'm obv village so not worth considering.) I've already given my thoughts on all three (tesung/obbmud scum, spire noobtown), please discuss.
I think I'm looking at Tesung right now. I believe spiresquire's claim of WPWT townie, because it's the type of claim that you would make if a watcher called you out, which has not happened. Tesung , are you willing to claim? I don't see the harm in doing so. Two of us have already done so, so it won't make you any more mafia bait than me and spiresquire (assuming that he was telling the truth.) I'm going to vote Tesung for bandwagoning on earlier days and causing the death of felony, who claimed deputy and nobody believed him. Vote Starwarsfan
Starwarsfan, I would like to see you claim to as you are also a candidate on the lynch-list it seems.
 
I think I'm looking at Tesung right now. I believe spiresquire's claim of WPWT townie, because it's the type of claim that you would make if a watcher called you out, which has not happened. Tesung , are you willing to claim? I don't see the harm in doing so. Two of us have already done so, so it won't make you any more mafia bait than me and spiresquire (assuming that he was telling the truth.) I'm going to vote Tesung for bandwagoning on earlier days and causing the death of felony, who claimed deputy and nobody believed him. Vote Starwarsfan
Starwarsfan, I would like to see you claim to as you are also a candidate on the lynch-list it seems.
Errrg Unvote Vote Tesung
 
Got a small window of time here. @Obbmund99, please actually read my post. That read you posted is so outdated that even I find it stupid. :/

And again. Where is Celever? For someone who wants to base all of today's lynches on inactive players, I haven't heard from him in quite some time. I'm still flip-floppy on the guy, but if he's going to be a hypocrite he might as well admit it if he gets the chance.
 
Obbmud, Why would I claim? Why would Tesung claim? Claiming at this point only gives extra information to the mafia. If the village decides to hammer on one of us, then we should claim. We should absolutely not both claim immediately -- that is something only a mafia would want us to do. Lynch Obbmud99. This vote will stay until and unless we decide to hammer someone else.
 
Wtf when have I bandwagonned other than the first day which many others did, when felony was the most suspicious player in the game. And lol at me causing the felony lynch when I wasn't even the one who attacked him in the first place. And I'm not claiming unless absolutely forced,my role is too important.
 
I'm also gonna agree with swf. Obbmidd acted suspicious af all game. He then either told the truth or took a risk that cleared him, and he has then kept on acting suspicious. Lynch obbmud98.

I also am deeply suspicious of the walrein/cxinlee combo, walrein was inactive, then cxinlee came in and just started accusing people
 
Wtf when have I bandwagonned other than the first day which many others did, when felony was the most suspicious player in the game. And lol at me causing the felony lynch when I wasn't even the one who attacked him in the first place. And I'm not claiming unless absolutely forced,my role is too important.

Congratulations, you're probably going to be the target of the mafia now. You may as well claim...

Hi everybody! *is greeted with stern faces and middle fingers*

spiresquire, if someone is lurking then that's when I tend to tag them, or if they've been online elsewhere on the site. The fact that I've been offline today (irl) and for a p long time yesterday (irl) probably indicates that I had actual things preventing me from browsing. Yesterday evening I went clubbing and when I got back to my Dad's house (which is closer to town) I was promptly met by an unpaid internet bill. I had irl issues to deal with for most of today which is why I haven't been able to come on, so sorry about that.

vonFiedler, I didn't call other people noobs I just pointed to all the people who have this as their very first NOC. Naturally I have more experience than them, but that doesn't account to anything ability-wise at my... 2 games played? And a bit of Acklow's expert role playing one I suppose, but that got cancelled... Day 2? Honestly in this game you are a large scum read for me. You've buddied me a bit already, you subbed in for PokeguyNXB who everyone knows my stance on and you came in and immediately attacked spiresquire. I understand that you legitimately thought he was scum, but I don't see how coming in and attacking one user rather than giving general thoughts on the game is a good plan. Especially since after that you said "I don't really have thoughts on the rest of it". Is it possible that one of your scumbuddies noticed spiresquire and asked you to point it out, just to give you a few townie points? I think so... It might be a little unfair seeing as the guy has literally just subbed in, but I would much rather lynch vonFiedler today than anyone else.

My second lynch would be Obbmud though. I've expressed my opinion on him multiple times before, and said the whole "I think he is scummy but because of that claim he probably won't be lynch today" long before any of you guys did! :p

Anything else for me to comment on?
 
starwarsfan has been a very good scum candidate for a few days now, IMO, so I'd be on board with that lynch. Obbmud suddenly wanting everyone to claim is very strange as well, and he's shown some more nervous, shaky behaviour this day, so I'd be willing to lynch him as well.
 
Obbmud, Why would I claim? Why would Tesung claim? Claiming at this point only gives extra information to the mafia. If the village decides to hammer on one of us, then we should claim. We should absolutely not both claim immediately -- that is something only a mafia would want us to do. Lynch Obbmud99. This vote will stay until and unless we decide to hammer someone else.
If the mafia had a talent scout, then they would know half of our roles anyway, so I'm not sure it really matters to defend yourself from the mafia. I honestly don't understand why claiming wouldn't help here; even if you did claim it wouldn't make you anymore of a mafia bait than any other player in the game (Lightwolf and celever are obvious targets with the logic of the B_T vote and me and possible spiresquire on the logic of the cancerous lynch.) I don't see how claiming is a mafia tell, unless you have a power role, which at this point would be an inspector or a doctor. We've already lost two inspectors, and it is unlikely that we have any more, and if you were a doctor, you've done a really bad job because the obvious kill on night 3 was nitrox116, and he was not protected. Ruling out both inspector and doctor, what other things would make you a mafia bait? Day vigilante is my last guess, and that doesn't fit either because you probably would have used it by now. Claiming bulletproof would make the mafia not want to waste their kill on you. If you were bodyguard you would have defended nitrox116 n3, and you would have died instead. If you claimed nurse than that would basically make you a vanilla townie, which is the same place I am. I don't see any roles left that would have lead you to feel as though you need to hide from the mafia. Also it seems like you go after me quite a bit. This leaves my diagnosis down to two options, which I will not disclose because I don't want you to say that I am right and claim exactly what I say will get you off the hook.


I'm also gonna agree with swf. Obbmidd acted suspicious af all game. He then either told the truth or took a risk that cleared him, and he has then kept on acting suspicious. Lynch obbmud98.

I also am deeply suspicious of the walrein/cxinlee combo, walrein was inactive, then cxinlee came in and just started accusing people
This vote means nothing. My name was not spelled right :)

I would also like to point out that Tesung and starwarsfan have hardly voted for each other even though both have been under attack quite a few times. The only cross vote that I saw from the final vote result page was swf voting tesung at the end of day 2, while it was clear that Ullar was going to get lynched. Mafia buddies or lover buddies?
 
What are everyone's thoughts on a vonFiedler lynch? More Cowbell because he is active tag. I mean, you have my thoughts a couple posts up, but I think he is the scummiest rn.

If we get an extension then great, if not then I'll lynch Obbmud closer to deadline so that we can get a lynch off.

Obbmud99 don't forget that if they was in theory a doctor, any number of things could have happened to Nitrox to stop him protecting the guy. Well actually just the mafia roleblocker hitting well... but still.

Claiming would usually be quite a good option in LYLO, however because there are many chances of duplicate roles, ccs are not a reliable way of telling scum, and thus it wouldn't be very helpful today.
 
What are everyone's thoughts on a vonFiedler lynch? More Cowbell because he is active tag. I mean, you have my thoughts a couple posts up, but I think he is the scummiest rn.

If we get an extension then great, if not then I'll lynch Obbmud closer to deadline so that we can get a lynch off.

Obbmud99 don't forget that if they was in theory a doctor, any number of things could have happened to Nitrox to stop him protecting the guy. Well actually just the mafia roleblocker hitting well... but still.

Claiming would usually be quite a good option in LYLO, however because there are many chances of duplicate roles, ccs are not a reliable way of telling scum, and thus it wouldn't be very helpful today.
Claiming would also provide more information than what we have now, which is nothing. Also, nobody has defaced my single mason claim yet with a mason claim of their own.
 
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