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you know.... if we wan't to use "HG/SS got battle frontier when it originally had Battle tower" excuse lets think about this. The battle frontier was not in diamond or pearl, it was in platinum.

X and Y doesn't have the battle frontier, it has the battle "maison". If anything, we'll probably get the maison again, and i wouldn't be surprised at all.

Yeah I do want a Battle "Frontier" but game freak sticking with the Maison (because lets be real, outside of 3 or 4 gimmicks the frontier was easy) Isn't unlikely
 
you know.... if we wan't to use "HG/SS got battle frontier when it originally had Battle tower" excuse lets think about this. The battle frontier was not in diamond or pearl, it was in platinum.

X and Y doesn't have the battle frontier, it has the battle "maison". If anything, we'll probably get the maison again, and i wouldn't be surprised at all.

Yeah I do want a Battle "Frontier" but game freak sticking with the Maison (because lets be real, outside of 3 or 4 gimmicks the frontier was easy) Isn't unlikely
Whenever there's a game that comes out after the first game for its generation its usually easier to get battle points. Platinum and HG/SS to Diamond and Pearl. Black/white 2 to black and white
 
Yeah I do want a Battle "Frontier" but game freak sticking with the Maison (because lets be real, outside of 3 or 4 gimmicks the frontier was easy) Isn't unlikely

The reason it was easy is because of several reasons: crap AI, limited movepools (or pre-special/physical split, in some case), and the fact that you could take advantage of the previous two factors to use one Pokemon that has a good chance of crushing most of the Pokemon by itself. Then run two other Pokemon just in case.
 
Well. Now they have to give Sableye Mega Evolution, so version exclusives would be equal.

The idea that you think version exclusives are equal is hilarious by now. Didn't Scyther getting Scizor and Pinsir getting ignored teach you anything? It's been 5 generations and Pinsir still has not received it's deserved evolution... and it's never going to either since it's got a Mega now.

Or how about Duskull getting better every generation from 3-5 compared to Banette [Dusknoir; Evolite]? Banette at least for the Mega Evolution edge up on Dusclops.

Arcanine is a lot stronger than Ninetails in terms of raw stats

Victreebel never got a Sun Stone Evolution; Oddish did.

Skarmory is treated much better than Mantine; Mantine never gets anything cool; it didn't even get Roost despite being a Flying type.

Hell, Whimsicott got the Fairy-typing; Lilligant did not.
 
This is probably already being said but I don't have time to go though all 54 pages right now.
But here are my thoughts and Speculations on Mega Sceptile (one of the most exciting Megas to me) in terms of its battle potential…

non-mega Sceptile isn’t a “bad” Pokémon but its biggest issues in the past have been: 1) Lacking good coverage with its STAB Attacks (or powerful coverage in general) And 2) Having better sp.atk than atk while also having a movepool that leans really really physically.
Like, the move Leaf Blade was originally made just for Sceptile. But back then all plant attacks were special, it wasn’t until 4th gen that moves could be special or physical independent of typing (one of the few things 4th gen did right) But it kind of sucked for Sceptile who has a nice sp.atk but very average atk. It is basically left with a ton of good Physical moves and boosting moves like Swords Dance but is limited to Leaf Storm and Focus Blast as its only good special moves. It also has Dragon Pulse but there was no reason to use that before it could get STAB on it.

Anyway even before going Mega, Sceptile has really impressive Speed (base 120). Its ability to revenge kill and possibly sweep is pretty much already going to be solid even if Mega Sceptile has even unimproved speed. So were will most of the extra 100 base stats get placed? My guess is a minor amount in speed and its defenses and a lot in sp.atk. Mostly because a little bit of a defense upgrade with a heavy upgrade in one offensive stat has been the trend in most offensively oriented megas so far, and also because the ability Lighting Rod (which grants sp.atk boosts) hints that they intend for Sceptile to remain a Special attacker in its Mega form.

If I’m wrong and Sceptile gets an upgrade in Atk or just gets equal upgrades in both its offensive stats then Mega Sceptile will have it made as a viable Mega option. As it can use Swords Dance and it’s great physical movepool to become a dangerous Sweeper or even use a mixed attacking set that switches into Electric attacks, fires off really powerful Leaf Storms but then uses physical moves for its other attacks so it doesn’t have to witch out after the Sp.atk drop. (Like “haha stupid Hetran thought it could switch into my Leaf Strom but now I’m hitting it with Earthquake!”)

However if my guess on stat upgrading is right and mega Sceptile doesn’t receive much or any physical atk increase then Mega Sceptiles success is going to be largely dependent on an expansion of its movepool to include a few more Special attacking options. As, outside of Lighting Rod, which is unreliable, it has no way to boost its Sp.atk, it can’t perform that well as a sweeper. And while STAB Dragon Pulse will really help with Sceptile’s “coverage” and power issues it still lacks a Plant STAB without serious drawbacks (Leaf Storm forces you to switch and Giga Drain, the next best thing, is just a weak move) And Focus Blast it’s only good 3rd attack, while insuring that Steel types can’t just come in for free, is also infamously know as “Focus Miss” is risky with a 70% hit rate. (Not to mention if a Steel type switches into your Leaf Storm it’s not like Focus Blast will hit them all that hard anyway after a Sp.Atk drop.) Anyway I think you see where I’m going. Basically Mega Sceptile with no Atk upgrade needs 3 or 4 good moves that would help it out on the Special spectrum of offense, else it’s left with a number of drawbacks and a huge lack of variety that makes it really predictable.

If Mega Sceptile doesn’t get a physical attack upgrade or a more expansive Speical move pool it will likely end up like Houndoom. Powerful and cool as a Mega, but probably not worth using over another Mega if you’re aiming to win your battle. Actually it still will have more niche uses than Mega Houndoom though. Simply having high speed and attack has always been a mixture for some success in the Pokémon world even with sub-par coverage. More specifically though Mega Sceptile will be great at revenge killing enemy dragons since it can out speed all of them unboosted (except Noivern) and will totally own them with its own Dragon attacks. In fact regular Sceptile without any speed upgrade from its mega is already capable of out pacing Adamant Dragontie after a Dragon Dance. If Mega Sceptile has a big enough speed boost it could be capable of outspeeding other Dragon Dancers as well. But probably the biggest and most obvious use for Mega Sceptile will be that it is THE #1 counter to Rotom-Wash. Rotom-W success is largely attributed to the fact it can fire off Thunderbolts and Volt Switches really freely (something other electric types can’t do because of ground types) however Rotom-W gets Hydro Pump the ability Levitate which means it basically wins the match-up against any Ground type that tries to switch in on it. None of this applies to Mega Sceptile who get the same electric immunity but with a boost,x4 resist Hydro Pump, and can easily KO with STAB Plant attacks. Plus Mega Sceptile potentially won’t care that much about switching into a Will-o-Wisp. If Mega Sceptile starts to see any use at all, scared Rotom-W’s everywhere will have start running Hidden Power Ice out of the hope that they can catch Sceptile on the switch in. Even if they do this it will degrade Rotom-W’s utility a lot simply because of the “waste” of the move slot. Simply having a Mega Sceptile on your team makes everyone (but especially Rotom-W) think twice before clicking an electric attack.
 
Lol, you're right, I don't know what I'm talking about.
Energy Ball is totally viable. Still Energy Ball and Dragon Pulse as your 2 STAB attacks means nothing over base 100 which isn't THAT threatening even with high sp.atk. right? I'm obviously just speculating here. I said all this to see if people could help me point out how I'm wrong or right.
 
I'm simply using your own logic; since a lot of your argument seemed to rely on Leaf Blade being a good, reliable, move without drawbacks for physical Sceptile and then going onto say special Sceptile has no good, reliable grass STAB without drawbacks.
 
True, it's gets the same power and reliability in both it's Special and Physical STAB plant moves. (I somehow forgot Energy Ball, sorry) and in fact it gets more power on the Special side with Leaf Strom. So I'm wrong to talk down it's speical attacking plant options relative to it's physical ones. However I think it's psychical coverage options are still way more appealing than it's special ones which are still mostly limited to Focus Blast.

The real point I was trying to make was not that it's physical STAB options are better than it's special STAB options (from the movepool we know it has now) but more that if it's REALLY going to be successful competitively it either needs 1) physical attack upgrade or 2) larger special coverage. Sorry I blurred that point by screwing up the stuff I said about it's plant STABs.
 
I'm very hopeful about a new Battle Frontier. I find it unlikely that the Battle Tower will return, given that we have the Maison in XY, but it wouldn't be too difficult to put it with the other facilities. I just hope the rest of the facilities are more like those in Emerald (Pyramid hype here we go!) instead of Pt/HG/SS. I felt like the 4th gen frontier was somewhat... bland. I played the Emerald frontier even after DP came out, and had fun despite not knowing how to EV yet. Pt/HG/SS frontier I got bored of very quickly. The re-introduction of the Pyramid, Pike, and Palace at the very least would give it the diversity and excitement that it really needs. Doing online multi- pyramid and pike challenges will be a thing. Fingers are crossed that we'll see some of the re-designed Frontier Brains come E3.

And, hey, if ORAS get the frontier, then Z will likely follow suit and we'll finally have some post-game in Kalos. Just a thought.
 
Personally, I feel it needs one or two moves to be good on the special side but both of which I somewhat doubt it'll get.
Option 1 would be to get Nasty Plot through breeding or as a new level-up move
Option 2 would be for the Draco Meteor tutor to teach the move to Pokémon who are not Dragon type but who have different forms that are Dragon type.

Sad thing is those are the most realistic options I can think of to make Mega Sceptile viable - which even then aren't that particularly likely - assuming it's specially based. Which I am very sure it will be, because no offensive mega has had their significantly lower offensive stat boosted a significant amount and Lightningrod is very obviously catered towards making Megatile specially based.
 
You can catch Shuppet in Ruby at Mt. Pyre
Oh, I always thought Duskull and Shuppet were exclusives since they were ghosts that are right next to each other in the Pokedex. I never played Ruby or Sapphire; only Emerald. I guess it's kinda like a Trevenant/Gourgeist thing right?
 
Kurona, you're probably right. Specially based Mega Sceptile can round out it's coverage a little with something like Hidden Power Fire, but... if not Nasty Plot, at least Clam Mind would be nice. With it's new Dragon typing it could be a candidate for some new wako-special moves you wouldn't think it could have that are sort of "hidden" in it's move pool (like Mega Heracross getting Bullet Seed from Heart Scale)

However the other thing that I think seems .... "possible" is that it get an equal-ish boost in both offensive stats like Mega Lucario. It could be very viable mixed attacking and would really shine. It doesn't even need a increase in base speed (not that 10 to 20 would hurt, it'd be nice to outpace Greninja's Ice Beam etc.) So if it just got most to all of it's power placed semi-equally in both attacking stats it could turn out great.
 
However the other thing that I think seems .... "possible" is that it get an equal-ish boost in both offensive stats like Mega Lucario. It could be very viable mixed attacking and would really shine. It doesn't even need a increase in base speed (not that 10 to 20 would hurt, it'd be nice to outpace Greninja's Ice Beam etc.) So if it just got most to all of it's power placed semi-equally in both attacking stats it could turn out great.
I really don't think that'd work all that well. It worked for Lucario because it had great offensive stats already and THEN got adaptability on top of that, and THEN had amazing coverage and boosting moves and typing that eventually resulted in it's ban.
Sceptile... has a pretty bleh ability, doesn't have good enough offensive stats to be boosted to good enough item-less levels and it's movepool on both sides is not the best thing ever.
 
The problem with Mega Sceptile (Mega Ampharos also has this problem) is that it is a (presumably) viable special attacking dragon type...
WITHOUT DRACO METEOR
I don't understand why it needs Draco Meteor so much. It would just be switching in and out all the time without a switching move (unlike Mega Ampharos) to get its Sp. Atk back, while Dragon Pulse is much more consistent. Heck, I'd even be wary of using Leaf Storm if I wasn't using a mixed set.
 
Yeah, but Mega Lucario was banned. So not being as good as Mega Lucario hardly means your bad. I agrees that Lighting Rod is not half as good as Adaptability but it is not "bleh" either. Simply having it means your opponent has to play a guess game with you every time they want to hit you with an electric move. If they screw up Mega Sceptile (with it's sp.atk upgrade) getting +1 WILL be dangerous regardless of it's limiting movepool. And like I said in my original post, Lighting rod turns Mega Sceptile into the #1 Rotom-W counter in the whole game, which is definitely not something to ignore considering how much usage Rotom-W gets. It prevents Rotom-W from being a pivot while boosting itself, eats up all Rotom's STAB moves like a flippin Snorlax, and comeback with super effective STAB. That alone with it's presumed other perks warrants it seeing more use than the lower use Megas.

Outside of countering Rotom-W and revenge killing Dragons this is all speculation. But one good boosting move (growth) and just the tiniest bit more special coverage and or atk upgrade and it's not hard to imagine Mega Sceptile being half-good at other things too. Even without Draco Meteor (which I think it's the safer assumption to guess that Sceptile won't get seeing as how it already had a large selection of Dragon attacks long before this Mega and taking Ampharos as example. but we can't count out either since it's all speculation)

EDIT: another thing to consider is that despite it's repulsive list of weaknesses mega Sceptile does resist Ground and is Rock neutral, which means it fairs kind of well against the massive list of physical attackers that use that common combination of attack-types for coverage. Additionally so since its STAB plant moves will hit them hard if they're using that combo for a STAB of they're own.
 
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Personally, I feel it needs one or two moves to be good on the special side but both of which I somewhat doubt it'll get.
Option 1 would be to get Nasty Plot through breeding or as a new level-up move
Option 2 would be for the Draco Meteor tutor to teach the move to Pokémon who are not Dragon type but who have different forms that are Dragon type.

Sad thing is those are the most realistic options I can think of to make Mega Sceptile viable - which even then aren't that particularly likely - assuming it's specially based. Which I am very sure it will be, because no offensive mega has had their significantly lower offensive stat boosted a significant amount and Lightningrod is very obviously catered towards making Megatile specially based.
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Eh, fair enough, forgot about that -- though at the same time, 'zard x and mewtwo x are special exceptions in that they boost the opposite offensive stat purely to be a contrast to the Y forms.
 
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