It looks familiar.
Depending on how you look at the shape on the Hoenn map, it could either be in the sea to the north of Lilycove, or suspended in the air directly above Mt. Pyre.
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It looks familiar.
Depending on how you look at the shape on the Hoenn map, it could either be in the sea to the north of Lilycove, or suspended in the air directly above Mt. Pyre.
Duh, 29 pages of reading. That's what I get for going onto 9GAG again.
Sigh, fuck that. I've seen a lot of people discuss how "hard" it'll be to add the new data to X/Y. Don't you guys remember how easy it was to update the time problem on R/S as long as it wasn't the battery with the Cable Link? Use your head and think that the data could be downloaded from an OR/AS copy to a 3DS using the DS Download system.
Sigh, fuck that. I've seen a lot of people discuss how "hard" it'll be to add the new data to X/Y. Don't you guys remember how easy it was to update the time problem on R/S as long as it wasn't the battery with the Cable Link? Use your head and think that the data could be downloaded from an OR/AS copy to a 3DS using the DS Download system.
Do you really hate Sableye that much? So far we've had mega evolutions that bring nothing new to the table and are even outclassed by their regular forms in some roles, but Analytic Mega Sableye would suck SO much I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up in a lower tier than Sableye. Depriving a defensive pokemon of the ability that makes it work and giving it an offensive ability that pretty much requires taking a hit, coupled with its average status (even after a mega evolution boost) and inability to hold an item, is just... ridiculous. Mega Sableye doesn't need to become a top tier threat, it doesn't need a killer ability like Mega Mawile and it also doesn't need to keep Prankster. Give it Magic Guard, Bulletproof, whatever, just not Analytic. Albeit fitting, it could easily turn this niche pokemon with even UU/OU potential into a mega NU. Hopefully we won't see this mega going to waste.
I STRONGLY disagree. It'd barely break out of NU even. The bad thing about Aurorus is that not only does it have six weaknesses, but they are all VERY common attacking types. Fighting, Steel, Rock, Ground, even grass and Water. Pretty much every relevant threat is packing one or more of those moves, and pretty much everyone else is packing them as coverage. Even if it did start walling things with Wonder Guard, those move types are easy to fit in any kind of moveset that ins't mono attacking. Hell, you even lose to Blissey with those kind of weaknesses
Not Sableye specifically, but I strongly believe that prankster is a stupid ability that should never have been introduced. I don't care at all what ability it gets as long as it's not prankster. As it is, being able to priority burn on the first turn, AND MEvolve to presumably better defenses horrifies me, so I don't want him to be a major OU mon at all.
I find it really unlikely that it's suspended about Mt. Pyre. The perspective is a shade away from a birds-eye view. Just look at the Distortion World portal in the Sinnoh map that you posted.
I'm being nitpicky here, but technically Mega Evolutions are tiered along with their unevolved counterparts. (Mega Gengar and Mega Kangaskhan weren't banned; the Gengarite and the Kangaskhanite were). If Mega Sableye turns out to be horrible, then nothing will happen to Sableye's ranking.
But that's beside the point – basically the only way I can see Analytic being vaguely useful was if they gave Sableye 1 base speed and then buffed its Defense and Special Defense to obscene levels.
Basically reposting what I said in OU because I think it holds more relevance here:
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"It is said that Mega Sableye uses the jewel as a powerful defensive tool in battle. From behind the shelter of the jewel, it can readily exploit the opponent’s weaknesses and take advantage of any openings. It is said that the jewel hardens into such strength that no attack can even make a scratch!"
I am assuming that what I underlined in bold is not just dumb pokedex-description hyperbole, but actually is what will happen in battle. I really don't understand how people are extrapolating Analytic or Magic Guard out of this. The statement literally says that Sableye can not be damaged by attacks. This is a very similar mechanic to Wonder Guard. For these reasons I think Sableye will get Wonder Guard:
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"It is said that Mega Sableye uses the jewel as a powerful defensive tool in battle. From behind the shelter of the jewel, it can readily exploit the opponent’s weaknesses and take advantage of any openings. It is said that the jewel hardens into such strength that no attack can even make a scratch!"
I am assuming that what I underlined in bold is not just dumb pokedex-description hyperbole, but actually is what will happen in battle. I really don't understand how people are extrapolating Analytic or Magic Guard out of this. The statement literally says that Sableye can not be damaged by attacks. This is a very similar mechanic to Wonder Guard. For these reasons I think Sableye will get Wonder Guard:
- The statement given heavily implies that it won't get damaged by attacks, especially like Wonder Guard.
- Sableye needs some crazy ability to make it viable
- Sableye stat total is only 385. You want to know what 50+ in both Defense and Sp. Def gets it? 50 / 115 / 105 defensive bulk which is actually around the same bulk of Rotom-W (50 / 107 / 107) and lol Spiritomb (50 / 108 / 108). FFS Mega-Heracross has more bulk with the same defenses but with 80 HP > 50 HP. Every other stat would remain the same with that type of boost given.
- Huge Power was a way to get around the need to increase Mega-Mawile's stats to make it more effective. With Wonder Guard any sort of defensive increase or investment in Sableye would be pretty much unnecessary, so they could add to his other stats (attack, special attack, speed) instead.
- Sableye already has Prankster, which is already one of the best abilities in the game. Wonder Guard is one of the only abilities that brings it up a notch, which is what mega-evolutions are supposed to do.
- Stance Change, Prankster, and Infliltrator already have been used and creates unncessary competition
- Sableye would be very similar to Mega-Banette if it kept Prankster. It would be completely outclassed because of the low BST issue, as Banette would have more. Another Ghost-type, Aegislash, which is one of the most popular pokemon already uses the defensive vs offensive form element already. Sableye would compete directly with Aegislash. Also stance change is completely reliant on King's Shield, which Sableye doesn't have access to. Infiltrator as a given ability is lol worthy because you would be making an exact copy of Spiritomb. Basically, any of those abilities makes Sableye get outclassed / compete with other Ghost-types. With that in mind, it detracts attention away from Sableye, which I don't think Game Freak is aiming for.
- Magic Guard would be ass because its best effectiveness is with an item (Life Orb / Focus Sash) which Sableye doesn't have acesss to with a Mega-Stone. This is the reason that Mega-Alakazam got trace.
The game developers obviously realize the potency of Wonder Guard--after all, they gave Shedinja 1 HP to ensure that it was automatically KOed by any attack that dealt super effective damage, as well as Sandstorm and Hail. Shedinja also has five weaknesses to exploit.
Sableye on the other hand has way more than 1 HP and would only have a single weakness (Fairy) that is still very uncommon in both Pokemon species and attack distribution.
As I see it, Wonder Guard Sableye is so off the balance charts, that the chance of it appearing is realistically zero.
Sableye on the other hand has way more than 1 HP and would only have a single weakness (Fairy) that is still very uncommon in both Pokemon species and attack distribution.
As I see it, Wonder Guard Sableye is so off the balance charts, that the chance of it appearing is realistically zero.
Analytic is a good ability, but yes. I see your point. As the guy above me states, Huge Power on Mega Mawile dramatically helped alleviate its issues with its terrible BST. Unless Sableye gets something similar to it but defensive, it will still suffer from its ridiculously low base stats (most importantly its junky HP...). I did a bunch of calculations and even with ridiculous boosts like +60 to its Defense, it still can't really handle OU threats. The problem is that Sableye is still much better off using Foul Play for its offense of choice as it handles most notable OU threats much better. And while Foul Play is still boosted by Analytic, I didn't notice any significant targets for its damage increase.
Yes, I'm crossing my fingers that it gets a new (or at least not yet discovered by hackers), interesting ability. New abilities look like they're coming anyways as the site pretty specifically states that Kyogre and Groudon are receiving new abilities, and I don't think it's wild of me to say that considering very few existing abilities will make much sense (or be useful) on them.
Yeah I understand how crazy it is on the balance charts, but what can really outdo Prankster already (as in what do think can really replace Prankster)? Most of the other abilities that have been recommended in this thread compete or overlap with some other ghost-type.
Again, my speculation is going off the assumption that the statement they posted isn't hyperbole, but is an actual or at least accurate description of how Sableye behaves in battle.
edit: Stellar Was Shadow Tag Mega-Gengar any less crazy with that huge movepool and optimized offensive stats (super high spa and speed)? Maybe a little, but it is something that completely warps singles to the utmost degree, even at the Ubers level.
There are quite a few differences, not even accounting for different renditions of the artwork. The portal in Sinnoh was opened within Spear Pillar at the peak of the tallest mountain of the Coronet mountain range within the Sinnoh region; this is presumably the same range that contains Mt. Silver to the south. Those mountains aren't exactly small. I'd be surprised if either Mt. Chimney or Mt. Pyre were quite as large, in fact. This is even assuming that they are both open at the same altitude.
On top of that, Mt. Pyre isn't so far from the northern border of Hoenn, which could also have an effect on the appearance of altitude of the opening. Finally, the view of the map is quite a few shades from birds-eye. It's not far off, but we don't get a direct view into Sootopolis, either. Either way, the shot is taken well above either location, and the opening may be high enough above Mt. Pyre so that it appears to be in the sea.
I only mention Mt. Pyre, because it would be the most logical place within Hoenn to have a tie-in to Giratina, and through Giratina, Dialga and Palkia. These three have not been seen since Platinum without an event, and it would not be surprising to see them here. After all, FR/LG had Lugia and Ho-oh, and HG/SS had Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza.
As for other possibilities, I have never seen anything that ties Darkrai or Deoxys to something like that, and if they want to include Deoxys, well, Birth Island is still free game.
And, assuming Primal Groudon and Primal Kyogre will be apart of the storyline like the box art suggests, and some semblance of the original sequence involving the Deep Sea Cavern and the Cave of Origin is used, I find it difficult that they would travel that far north and out of the way after being woken up, only to go back to Sootopolis. This is speculation, though.
Yes, Mega Gengar is nowhere near the same level of broken as Wonder Guard Sableye. The two are not even comparable, the difference is so great. The fact that you think the difference is only "a little" prompts me to believe you aren't thinking things through all the way.
I feel like I don't have to explain why a Pokemon who can only be damaged by status and a single type of attack is a whole other level of broken than one who can be revenged, paralyzed, and KOed due to its relative frailty. Shadow Tag complicates this, true, but there still exist myriad ways you can take down Mega Gengar compared to the handful of methods capable of disposing of Wonder Guard Sableye.
It should also be clear from the developer's recent game decisions and the game's tournament presence that they are balancing for doubles, not singles. Outside of those points, think about the Pokemon's use in-game. Yes, the other mega Pokemon may be strong enough offensively to navigate their way through the game with zero issues, but Sableye would make it so that 99% of trainers are completely incapable of touching you. Mega Sableye with Wonder Guard would literally break the game.
Have you even read my post?
Maybe, but I'm just not seeing it. It looks in the water off the coast to me.
lol, this is a really dumb hypothetical anyways. And I don't really know how to argue with you without breaking down the entire OU metagame. Most things running 3 to 4 attacks probably have soemthing to hit Aurorus SE... Probably. But I think you'd be real surprised how many things don't. And I think you're seriously over looking how ridiculous having 12 imunities is. Especially when things like spikes, SR, sandstorm or status don't insta-kill you. Shedninja has a number of "common" attacking type weaknesses too and the only thing keeping it out of the two highest tiers is passive damage. I picked Aurorus as an example becasue I think it's one of the few Pokemon in the game that, if given Wonder Guard, wouldn't instantly get banned from OU. But there's not a doubt in my mind it would become VERY usable in OU, become one of the more used 'mon's, and instantly alter how every pokemon in the entire metagame builds it's moveset, causing all sorts of previously good things to lose utility. 12 immunities!?! 12!?! There are so many crazy ways to abuse that. So many chances for Subs, so many chances to force switches. Every single choiced Pokemon has to ask itself: What if Aurorus switches in? This is a kind of pointless hypothetical though. But to be honest it's impossible to imagine Aurorus not breaking RU with Wonder Guard...Aquaslash said:
Hopefully you at least agree that Wonder Guard Sableye + 100 base stat would be a strong candidate for the first Pokemon banned from Ubers.
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I'm positive Sableye has a new ability. I'm not even going to bother anymore, Game Freak already added new Megas mid-gen and are clearly baiting us to believe there are new moves and abilities. So fuck this, I'm biting.
I'm jumping on the new abilities/moves boat too, it certainly seems entirely plausible and even likely at this point given our current information.
Sorry Cobraroll , as much as I love your well-thought out posts, I think you may have to change your name to Codfish in the not-so-distant future.
Sorry Cobraroll , as much as I love your well-thought out posts, I think you may have to change your name to Codfish in the not-so-distant future.
Tyranitar has that exact hyperbole in its dex description. does it get wonder guard?
I've been working on a side project on creating an encyclopedia on all current Pokemon (it's a long project, OK?), one of the tasks of which includes reading every single existing Pokedex entry for every single existing Pokemon. What I've learned from that is:
-All Fire-type Pokemon are unrealistically hot to the point that merely existing in reality would likely destroy life as we know it for a good 3-mile radius.
-Flying- and Electric-type Pokemon move faster than: a) the speed of sound
b) the speed of light
c) jet planes. This is a suprisingly common comparison.
-Rock- and Steel-types are always harder than steel and say something along the lines of "nothing can damage its steel-like armor." Always.
So the mention of a gem that can't be scratched doesn't always entail high defenses, if previous Pokedex entries are anything to go by.
-All Fire-type Pokemon are unrealistically hot to the point that merely existing in reality would likely destroy life as we know it for a good 3-mile radius.
-Flying- and Electric-type Pokemon move faster than: a) the speed of sound
b) the speed of light
c) jet planes. This is a suprisingly common comparison.
-Rock- and Steel-types are always harder than steel and say something along the lines of "nothing can damage its steel-like armor." Always.
So the mention of a gem that can't be scratched doesn't always entail high defenses, if previous Pokedex entries are anything to go by.
Actually, Tyranitar's hyperbole is much greater. People seem to ignore here that the thing that can't be scratched is the gem. Not Sableye. If you just go around the gem, it can be hurt normally. Tyranitar, on the other hand, has a body immune to damage.
Either way, Wonder Guard is just so absurd, it is completely out of the question. From all the suggestions of it I have seen, I really think people's fanboy hackmon side is getting the best of them, as I doubt we would see this kind of reaction about a Pokemon of any typing except the one famous for formerly lacking weakness.
I might as well throw my two cents in too.
I am so damn hyped atm. One of my favorite legends, Groudon, is now being given my favorite typing in Ground/Fire (it is a ridiculously good typing, as water can be dealt with in exchange for all the benefits of fire typing) and cant wait to get my hands on him. The added megas will be a great benefit later down the line.
I am so damn hyped atm. One of my favorite legends, Groudon, is now being given my favorite typing in Ground/Fire (it is a ridiculously good typing, as water can be dealt with in exchange for all the benefits of fire typing) and cant wait to get my hands on him. The added megas will be a great benefit later down the line.
The most a WG Aurorus would do is cockblock certain choice sweepers, with Banded Smogon bird being at the top of that list. That would literally be its only niche in OU, and it'd be a short lived one, if the Talonflame thread in OU is anything to go by (last I was in there, they were finding ways to beat Heatran and Rotom) In fact, as of the most recent chartrs. There are literally less than 5 things in the top 10 of every tier that wouldn't be able to destroy a WG Aurorus. Furthermore, each of those things that it would wall could very easily adapt to take care of it.
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Like, for real? Do you even play Ubers?
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