i know what you're trying to get at apt-get, as i too believe that it a lot harder to fully abuse missy than people make it out to be. you have to play it just right to get a dominant impact out of missy, it doesn't just slaughter teams automatically. i will say, though, that you trying to make it seem like missy has little to no chance of setting up is just false. you mention that misdreavus arguments are not completely valid because missy is not always going to be at full health and ready to take on checks / counters, but niether are those same checks / counters, or the rest of an opponents team for that matter. for example, if u have pawn + missy, you can pretty much guarantee mienfoo or timburr is gonna be knocked off, so dazzling gleams becomes much more scary. hell, if setting up is the only problem, throw a memento mon on with missy and problem solved. it seems to me that knock off has hindered missy's ability to be an all game threat, as it was in bw, because now it has to be extremely wary of switching into even things it's supposed to beat (fighters). for this reason, it's definitely been limited to a late game sweeper, and possible mid-game crippler with wow. that said though, missy can still be an extremely dominant force and does find a fair share of set up opportunities. berry juice, which i believe to be the better set because it actually does let it set up easier against a fair amount on mons and im not gonna let missy eat a knock off anyways unless i really have to, can take advantage of some pretty valid pokemon. to name a few...
- archen: if it's defensive, all u have to worry about is aa, and if it's bj, it doesn't even have a strong acro to begin with, so you can just wow from the get go and freely set up np as acro is only going to be doing around 20-26%, and rock slide is only doing like 30-39%, still not nearly enough.
- tirtouga: yea unless this has knock off, you're going to be winning with wow.
- chinchou: this thing doesn't really run twave coz grasses dont care and other chous, so it's not doing much and is a p easy np.
- drilbur: p much the same deal as archen, it cant do enough with eq after burn, and it gets +2 while u knock it back to 100% with bj.
- diglett: i everything beats diglett if it can't hit it with se eq, but i guess it counts.
- bunnelby: gone down in usage, but still very viable and strong mon that misdreavus very much appreciates free setup opportunities from.
- trubbish: same as bunnelby, misdreavus eats.
and thats not to mention all other ingame opportunities that you're just completely neglecting. support mons such as the 5 other mons that make up a team are going to be suited for setting up missy. encore, memento, things like sleep and even voltturn can put enough pressure on other teams to allow for a fairly easy set up where on paper it shouldn't have been. bottom line, misdreavus, like most sweepers, especially of its caliber, will find opportunities to set up.
im also curious about people that just make the general claim of "my team doesn't / i don't have a problem with said pokemon, so i don't think it's broken". suspect processes are made to explore every possible angle on which a suspect can be seen in order to gain a knowledgeable perspective. if your team doesn't have a problem with it, make another team. if you keep not having a problem against it, abuse it yourself. this allows you to see every single possible side to the argument. as it pertains to missy, and me personally, i can reasonably say i haven't had nearly the same problem playing against it as i have fletchling. what i can also say, though, is that i have swept more teams with misdreavus than any other mon, and its not even close. thats not even to say i go all out trying to break out a missy sweep, because you don't have to. misdreavus works for itself, and more time than i can count there have been instances where i can just randomly realize, not even thinking about it the entire match, "oh fuck missy sweeps", and proceed to win the match.