ORAS General Discussion - Mark 2 - Spoilers Inside

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Even if character customization will not feature in ORAS, I have faith that it'll be back big-time in future games. As stated above, Brendan and especially May are established characters, so it would be "sacrilege" to customize them much beyond their well-known appearance. Okay, you could give them different clothes, and maybe even a hat or something, but you can't do much before the player character wouldn't be May or Brendan any more. GameFreak would have to choose between extremely limited customization, kicking May and Brendan out of "their" game, or having no customization at all, and I suppose the third option is the one with the least fan backlash.

That being said, though, customization is a great way for players to create some sort of identity, looking on the screen and thinking "That's my guy!", which is especially notable in Online settings where you can see the avatars of many people at once. Having the player character a customizable avatar allows for a lot of diversity and closer bonding to the character. Contrast the protagonists of D/P or B/W, which I can't remember the appearance of at all (despite having played both games for a couple hundred hours over the years).

Like the special Vivillon, it could potentially also allow players to collect and show off various pieces of exclusive accessories and clothes, if GameFreak were willing to go down that route. T-shirts commemorating a movie premiere, or funny hats for all attendees of some tournament.

All in all, customization is too great a feature to permanently drop, but it wouldn't be appropriate to apply in these games. However, come Gen. VII, and I bet it will be back with a vengeance.
 
Codraroll said:
That being said, though, customization is a great way for players to create some sort of identity, looking on the screen and thinking "That's my guy!", which is especially notable in Online settings where you can see the avatars of many people at once. Having the player character a customizable avatar allows for a lot of diversity and closer bonding to the character. Contrast the protagonists of D/P or B/W, which I can't remember the appearance of at all (despite having played both games for a couple hundred hours over the years).
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I tend to agree. Looking down at the lower screen in XY and seeing a bunch of customized sprites instead of what would otherwise be a group of Calem/Serena clones staring back is refreshing. It'd be an unnecessary change in ORAS, but it'd also be no surprise if it returns in the next set of games, whether it be the next generation or not.

You can also go Cro with Waterfall/Curse/Rest/Sleep Talk. May not burn but it has much more offensive presence than Suicune
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I don't know about Cropert... its Attack is already monstrous and while I like the idea of RestTalk, another offensive move in the place of Curse would lessen the chance Swampert gets walled into something like Jellicent or most defensive walls like Skarmory.
 
Codraroll said:
Even if character customization will not feature in ORAS, I have faith that it'll be back big-time in future games. As stated above, Brendan and especially May are established characters, so it would be "sacrilege" to customize them much beyond their well-known appearance. Okay, you could give them different clothes, and maybe even a hat or something, but you can't do much before the player character wouldn't be May or Brendan any more. GameFreak would have to choose between extremely limited customization, kicking May and Brendan out of "their" game, or having no customization at all, and I suppose the third option is the one with the least fan backlash.

That being said, though, customization is a great way for players to create some sort of identity, looking on the screen and thinking "That's my guy!", which is especially notable in Online settings where you can see the avatars of many people at once. Having the player character a customizable avatar allows for a lot of diversity and closer bonding to the character. Contrast the protagonists of D/P or B/W, which I can't remember the appearance of at all (despite having played both games for a couple hundred hours over the years).

Like the special Vivillon, it could potentially also allow players to collect and show off various pieces of exclusive accessories and clothes, if GameFreak were willing to go down that route. T-shirts commemorating a movie premiere, or funny hats for all attendees of some tournament.

All in all, customization is too great a feature to permanently drop, but it wouldn't be appropriate to apply in these games. However, come Gen. VII, and I bet it will be back with a vengeance.
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Also our characters are going to get dressed up for the Pokemon Contests. Whether its the one set of clothes or there are few more remains to be seen, but still there's going to be some clothing customization. Also we have our Secret Bases to spend more time on to customizing! :D

I do think GameFreak should REALLY consider doing DLC with customization in future games, both free and paid. For the paid ones the could give us outfits of characters like Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Champion, Rivals, Villain Team, etc.. from throughout the generations (maybe even include outfits from the manga or anime. Ash's original hat anyone?). As for normal DLC, it can be other kinds of clothes which they felt like making but wouldn't feel right to charge us for. It would make everyone happy and make GameFreak (and Nintendo) a considerable amount of money (I mean, just look at TF2 and how much money they made off just selling hats).
 
Codraroll said:
All in all, customization is too great a feature to permanently drop, but it wouldn't be appropriate to apply in these games. However, come Gen. VII, and I bet it will be back with a vengeance.
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Gen 7? Haha... no, my friend, I believe it should be coming back in force come X2Y2.
 
Kurona said:
Gen 7? Haha... no, my friend, I believe it should be coming back in force come X2Y2.
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X2Y2 (or "Z", if they feel like doing only one game again) is so inevitable that I didn't even consider mentioning it. Either way, the game(s) would mostly be the same as XY, so I'm not really sure if it would even count as a fully separate game. It would build so much on the XY framework that if it does come out, customization is pretty much guaranteed to be in.

Gen. VII would mark a bigger change and a definite transition into a wholly new game, with new features, new Pokémon, new mechanics, etc. It's still pretty uncertain which features would make it and which wouldn't, but I think it's a solid bet to say that customization would survive the generational transition, and unless GameFreak plays us a curveball, it would be the next transition that truly matters.
 
I have full faith that customization will be back someday but I still think it was a mistake to remove it. If you want to keep the classic appearance of May and Brendan... then don't change their clothes. Taking away options from the player is unacceptable in my eyes. It's also a wasted opportunity, I was looking forward to seeing other classic trainer clothes put into the game or even just other clothing options that tied into the Hoenn region. Coming off of SSB4 I think beach wear, diving suits, etc would have been a fun addition to the game. I can see why they would want to stay away from Kalos style clothing but to not allow for customization at all was a poor choice.
 
Pikachu315111 said:
Also our characters are going to get dressed up for the Pokemon Contests. Whether its the one set of clothes or there are few more remains to be seen, but still there's going to be some clothing customization. Also we have our Secret Bases to spend more time on to customizing! :D

I do think GameFreak should REALLY consider doing DLC with customization in future games, both free and paid. For the paid ones the could give us outfits of characters like Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Champion, Rivals, Villain Team, etc.. from throughout the generations (maybe even include outfits from the manga or anime. Ash's original hat anyone?). As for normal DLC, it can be other kinds of clothes which they felt like making but wouldn't feel right to charge us for. It would make everyone happy and make GameFreak (and Nintendo) a considerable amount of money (I mean, just look at TF2 and how much money they made off just selling hats).
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No they won't GameFreak has vehemently said they are against the idea of DLC beyond mandatory patches.
 
Codraroll said:
X2Y2 (or "Z", if they feel like doing only one game again) is so inevitable that I didn't even consider mentioning it. Either way, the game(s) would mostly be the same as XY, so I'm not really sure if it would even count as a fully separate game. It would build so much on the XY framework that if it does come out, customization is pretty much guaranteed to be in.

Gen. VII would mark a bigger change and a definite transition into a wholly new game, with new features, new Pokémon, new mechanics, etc. It's still pretty uncertain which features would make it and which wouldn't, but I think it's a solid bet to say that customization would survive the generational transition, and unless GameFreak plays us a curveball, it would be the next transition that truly matters.
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Actually Junichi Masuda just confirmed today that there will be no XY2 or Pokemon Z. His quotes are below:

On the subject why Hoenn now and why no Kalos sequel, he had this to say
There's been a lot of demand from people to remake Ruby/Sapphire on social media, for example. Right now really felt like a good time to do it, and instead of doing a direct sequel to X/Y we're tying it together in some unique ways.
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He was also asked about a Pokemon Z and he had this to say:

For example, if after Black and White we came out with a grey, people would have been expecting that," he said. Same thing with X/Y and having a Z straight afterwards. So we're always just trying to surprise people
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X/Y's story will be tied up in a unique way that will surprise everyone. However they do it, no idea. Probably DLC.

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Maniacr said:
Actually Junichi Masuda just confirmed today that there will be no XY2 or Pokemon Z. His quotes are below:

On the subject why Hoenn now and why no Kalos sequel, he had this to say

He was also asked about a Pokemon Z and he had this to say:



X/Y's story will be tied up in a unique way that will surprise everyone. However they do it, no idea. Probably DLC.

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I think the key phrase is in your second quote...straight afterward.
 
Yveltal said:
No they won't GameFreak has vehemently said they are against the idea of DLC beyond mandatory patches.
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Pfft, their loss.

Maniacr said:
Actually Junichi Masuda just confirmed today that there will be no XY2 or Pokemon Z. His quotes are below:

On the subject why Hoenn now and why no Kalos sequel, he had this to say

He was also asked about a Pokemon Z and he had this to say:

X/Y's story will be tied up in a unique way that will surprise everyone. However they do it, no idea. Probably DLC.
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Hmm, so they no longer want to do a Crystal/Emerald/Platinum third versions, nor a Black 2/White 2 thing... where else can they go? Like maybe a single version sequel? But then again that would be like B2W2 thing just as one game.
 
Stellar said:
Speculation about a future Pokémon game based solely on a single vague line in an interview is in no way related to ORAS.

We got a ton of new relevant information; discuss it.
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Hmm, so much info yet so little time... OOH, I know!

Flying Tricks:
Speed boost
Quick turn
Barrel roll (it was shown in a trailer)
Loop

Any others?

Oh, and I demand this music to play when flying:

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Something interesting I'd like to point out that a friend on skype brought up is that... Steelix kinda got the short end of the stick in terms of ability.
Sand Force is pretty rad offensively, yeah, but... it had /sheer force/ before. Did it just get shafted?
 
Maniacr said:
Actually Junichi Masuda just confirmed today that there will be no XY2 or Pokemon Z. His quotes are below:

On the subject why Hoenn now and why no Kalos sequel, he had this to say

He was also asked about a Pokemon Z and he had this to say:



X/Y's story will be tied up in a unique way that will surprise everyone. However they do it, no idea. Probably DLC.

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You guys remember this?
And nobody knew what to make of it. Stop worrying.

Kurona said:
Something interesting I'd like to point out that a friend on skype brought up is that... Steelix kinda got the short end of the stick in terms of ability.
Sand Force is pretty rad offensively, yeah, but... it had /sheer force/ before. Did it just get shafted?
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In a way, no. They're probably expecting you to use EQ on MSteelix, which is more deadly through Sand Force than Sheer Force. Gyro Ball also gains a benefit through Sand Force vs Sheer Force. I guess, like many of the other megas revealed in ORAS, he looks like he'd rock in doubles...
 
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Karxrida said:
Serebii has confirmed that the Mega in the demo is based off of the region you are in (Steelix in Japan, Glalie in Korea/Europe), so we may be seeing more Megas soon.
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In before revealed US gets Mega Braviary.

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Or it's just Glalie & Steelix and who gets what will vary
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Is it just me or does Steelix and Glalie kind of seem like random choices to be the promoted Mega Evolution?

Kurona said:
Something interesting I'd like to point out that a friend on skype brought up is that... Steelix kinda got the short end of the stick in terms of ability.
Sand Force is pretty rad offensively, yeah, but... it had /sheer force/ before. Did it just get shafted?
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Maybe they're trying to encourage it to be played in a Sandstorm team? Sand Force increases the power of all its STABs (as well as its prevo's STABs) and it won't get hurt in Sandstorm. It looks like the plan is to swap out phasing for breaking power.

MORE DEMO NEWS:
Okay, according to reports from Serebii you can play the demo multiple times right away and each time you do you either get people to appear on Mossdeep or items to send over to ORAS.

Third playthrough = Poke Balls
Fifth playthrough = Heal Balls

There are 3 island layouts with different Pokemon you can battle. The task changes from finding Pokemon, battling all the trainers, or battling an elder trainer.
 
Pikachu315111 said:
MORE DEMO NEWS:
Okay, according to reports from Serebii you can play the demo multiple times right away and each time you do you either get people to appear on Mossdeep or items to send over to ORAS.

Third playthrough = Poke Balls
Fifth playthrough = Heal Balls

There are 3 island layouts with different Pokemon you can battle. The task changes from finding Pokemon, battling all the trainers, or battling an elder trainer.
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Is there a limited amount of times you can play, like normal 3DS demos? Because I imagine that'd hurt the "play every day" thing.
 
Kurona said:
Is there a limited amount of times you can play, like normal 3DS demos? Because I imagine that'd hurt the "play every day" thing.
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Serebii has reported that, at least for today, gifts stops on a 10th playthrough when facing an elder with Sceptile, Blaziken, Swampert, and Hariyama. At the end of that you get Heart Scales!
 
Pikachu315111 said:
Serebii has reported that, at least for today, gifts stops on a 10th playthrough when facing an elder with Sceptile, Blaziken, Swampert, and Hariyama. At the end of that you get Heart Scales!
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Do you keep all the items from all ten playthroughs? Like, would the Heal Balls from playthrough 5 carry over to the next game, or at least remain 'in limbo' for transfer to ORAS?
 
Was catching up on the thread, check my email, got the demo! But I'm at school and plan to stay so can't update with what I get until later :( News from me will definitely be slow so don't expect it from me

Before XY I couldn't care less about trainer customisation so to say that ORAS doesn't have it... I can't believe that I actually want it back now. I'm not too bothered by it and will take the zoomed out overworld camera over a new hat, but it was a nice touch just the same way that pokemon following you around was. It will be missed.

A bit late on the new megas discussion, but I'm looking forward to footage of that MGlalie animation! It could still look ok... maybe?

Lati@s flying looks really cool and landing in routes sounds useful. I'm relieved to know that there's the flute and that I won't need to keep a party slot just for super-flying or whatever we're calling it.

As a BSpot player I support the ORAS/XY league split up to an extent. My concern will be that the BSpot community both online and on Smogon will be split between the two leagues but I hope that it won't be too much of a concern. ORAS league seems to be following more closely to the official competitions that XY supported and that's what I'm almost definitely playing most.

All in all the reveals are positive to me minus the customisation. Looking forward to trying it out tonight!
 
Do we have any confirmation that ORAS will contain every single XY mega evolution? I'm sure it won't have every single XY mega stone since it's got many mega stones of its own, but I was thinking... I know that would be a weird move, but since they're creating an XY and an ORAS League, maybe they won't program some megas into ORAS so XY doesn't completely lose out. Only that would keep XY from fading into obscurity (and trainer customisation to an extent). But that would suck.
 
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