Read my post again. People ask whats the best moveset for a pokemon all the time. Its useful.....
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ORAS UU Viability Ranking Thread M2
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So link the smogdex, as I said.
Once Again. Can pidgeot please be S rank.
This monstrosity needs to be in the S rank category. From just talking in the uu chat and pming frens, anyone who I've talked to has agreed on this thing getting the bump to S. The main argument debunking pidgeot getting up to the premier rank was that mega aerodactyl was the most common mon in the tier. And at one point and time it was the most common mon, but the may usage stats show that aerodactyl fell all the way down to 19th and 20th in the 1630 and 1760 glicko categories. That argument cannot be valid anymore as mega aero is not being as commonly used as it used to be.
With that being said I'll start getting into the positives of mega burd. The first thing that mega burd provides for a team is its immense pressure that it puts on balance and even stall on occasion. Balance cores hate this thing as it really does not have no true counter. Sure there are mons that can switch in but its extremely hard for walls to do what they are trying to do when you are getting confused and constantly crippled giving momentum up to your opponent. I've seen so many balance cores fold to this burd it's not even funny. Not to mention the handful of empoleons ive seen go down to this thing strictly because of confusion which goes back to the no true counter argument. A mon like mega ampharos takes close to 40% as well from a hurricane + u turn so its really only a switch in once unless its rest talk which I havn't seen a long bit. There is literally no balance mon that enjoys switching in on this pokemon. Mons like aggron, rotom, and doublade just to name a few really just are not as safe as you'd think making it put extreme pressure on balance.
With the pressure it puts on a common playstyle like balance, it gives it a very good low risk high reward factor. When you are putting so much pressure on a common playstyle and very good play style like balance, there is not a huge risk in using pidgeot and a high reward for what it does.
That's just a somewhat short little post I have for burd. PLZ elaborate on this topic as I feel its a good one to discuss.
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2015-05/ (usage stats for may)
This monstrosity needs to be in the S rank category. From just talking in the uu chat and pming frens, anyone who I've talked to has agreed on this thing getting the bump to S. The main argument debunking pidgeot getting up to the premier rank was that mega aerodactyl was the most common mon in the tier. And at one point and time it was the most common mon, but the may usage stats show that aerodactyl fell all the way down to 19th and 20th in the 1630 and 1760 glicko categories. That argument cannot be valid anymore as mega aero is not being as commonly used as it used to be.
With that being said I'll start getting into the positives of mega burd. The first thing that mega burd provides for a team is its immense pressure that it puts on balance and even stall on occasion. Balance cores hate this thing as it really does not have no true counter. Sure there are mons that can switch in but its extremely hard for walls to do what they are trying to do when you are getting confused and constantly crippled giving momentum up to your opponent. I've seen so many balance cores fold to this burd it's not even funny. Not to mention the handful of empoleons ive seen go down to this thing strictly because of confusion which goes back to the no true counter argument. A mon like mega ampharos takes close to 40% as well from a hurricane + u turn so its really only a switch in once unless its rest talk which I havn't seen a long bit. There is literally no balance mon that enjoys switching in on this pokemon. Mons like aggron, rotom, and doublade just to name a few really just are not as safe as you'd think making it put extreme pressure on balance.
With the pressure it puts on a common playstyle like balance, it gives it a very good low risk high reward factor. When you are putting so much pressure on a common playstyle and very good play style like balance, there is not a huge risk in using pidgeot and a high reward for what it does.
That's just a somewhat short little post I have for burd. PLZ elaborate on this topic as I feel its a good one to discuss.
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2015-05/ (usage stats for may)
Supporting the rise of mega JC. I'm admittedly not too great with the mon (not my playstyle, I suppose) but I've seen people use this mon, and destroy half a team with a strong 110 base power move, decent coverage with heat wave (decent, not the best) good move selection with refresh, roost, u-turn and work up under it's belt, and with really nice speed and special attack. Not only this, but the confusion chance will always be annoying (and unneeded, if you ask me) I just feel as if the arguments for mega JC not rising were weak to begin with, and now I think they're even weaker with the whole aero argument out the window. It's time to pave way for our new savior (or hell-raiser): mega pidgeot.
How is the Aero argument out the window? Mega Aerodactyl still beats 100% of the time the two next-best Megas. And Aerodactyl being the most common Pokemon was never the argument, it's that it was the BEST Pokemon and I don't see how that position has changed.
IB made that argument under the assumption that Suicune is the best Pokemon in the tier, but it's pretty clear he thought (at least at the time) that Aero was the best, and everything else he said still stands and keeps Pidgeot out of S. Of course there's a need to compare it to Aero, they're two fast Megas that check most of the tier. The difference is that Aero is faster than Mega Pidgeot even BEFORE it Mega Evolves (a fact for which I've lost several games tonight already, ignoring my teambuilding being total ass right now) being slower than shit like Galvantula, Mienshao, and Heliolisk means I couldn't safely Mega and I lost the game for it. Meanwhile, if I had Mega Aero in those positions I safely Mega Evolve and OHKO all of them.
Fine, I'll compare them to the tier, if you're going to be a sarcastic cunt about it: Mega Aerodactyl is a hundred times more versatile than Mega Pidgeot, being able to act as a defensive and offensive check, hazard setter, hazard clearer, and sweeper against every playstyle except full stall. Mega Pidgeot acts as a balance breaker in a tier where balance is far and away the worst playstyle, and a sometimes sweeper against weakened Offense and even less often against full stall. No Guard is awesome for guaranteed Hurricanes, but now every Pokemon that normally has to cross their fingers and hope their Stone Edge lands has an easy KO against Pidgeot.
Fine, I'll compare them to the tier, if you're going to be a sarcastic cunt about it: Mega Aerodactyl is a hundred times more versatile than Mega Pidgeot, being able to act as a defensive and offensive check, hazard setter, hazard clearer, and sweeper against every playstyle except full stall. Mega Pidgeot acts as a balance breaker in a tier where balance is far and away the worst playstyle, and a sometimes sweeper against weakened Offense and even less often against full stall. No Guard is awesome for guaranteed Hurricanes, but now every Pokemon that normally has to cross their fingers and hope their Stone Edge lands has an easy KO against Pidgeot.
Slow down there bud lets try not to twist IB's words too much. You can't just assume thats what he meant when his post says otherwise. Also I wouldn't be so quick to pick out aero as the all out best pokemon in the tier. I don't think this tier has a best pokemon tbh as there are valid arguments for mons like hydreigon, feraligatr, pidgeot, suicune, and aero who are all extremely good but one doesn't really stand out that much over the rest. And if it did which in your case you think aero is the best pokemon in the tier, then it would be also the most commonly used. Usage and effectiveness of the mon have some similarities as why wouldn't the best mon in the tier be the most common? If its the best mon in the tier then why is it chillin at the 20th used spot?
Don't be so quick to downplay balance either. It is still a good play style and with victini most likely getting banned it will still be a good playstyle to use when built right. It is by no means far and away the worst playstyle. Do I prefer balance? No. I am an offense player but it is not the worst play style by the margin you described it as. Balance can beat offense any day, it's not like it's an auto loss when you run balance. So yes, pidgeots affect on balance is a large enough reasoning to consider it for S.
Once again...you cannot let the 20th commonly used pokemon in a respective tier have a massive affect on another mons viability as much as you are doing. That is just illogical.
P.S. calling someone a cunt is rude kek.
Don't be so quick to downplay balance either. It is still a good play style and with victini most likely getting banned it will still be a good playstyle to use when built right. It is by no means far and away the worst playstyle. Do I prefer balance? No. I am an offense player but it is not the worst play style by the margin you described it as. Balance can beat offense any day, it's not like it's an auto loss when you run balance. So yes, pidgeots affect on balance is a large enough reasoning to consider it for S.
Once again...you cannot let the 20th commonly used pokemon in a respective tier have a massive affect on another mons viability as much as you are doing. That is just illogical.
P.S. calling someone a cunt is rude kek.
That alone is confirmation that IB didn't think Suicune was best and the rest of his post heavily implies that Aero should take that spot.
Balance IS bad in UU at the moment. The only reason it has any legs to stand on is because some of the best builders in all of Smogon like Balance and UU. With Pokemon like Hydreigon, Feraligatr, Salamence, Pidgeot, Aero, and Mamoswine in the tier who all basically specialize in breaking the fuck out of Balance, any given Pokemon's effect on it isn't some huge pedestal. Please, tell me what the weakest playstyle in UU is, I'll wait.
Usage means so very little in terms of viability. Deoxys-D started out in UU the last two gens, and now it's Uber. You're letting that blind you to how completely Aerodactyl beats Mega Pidgeot and how much of an effect Aero has on the tier at large. Aerodactyl is at 20th because people are more concerned with more glamorous like Mamoswine and Feraligatr. Stop bringing that argument up unless you're prepared to also say that all of the current S Pokemon should drop since none of them are in top 10 usage at the moment.
Also: You don't get to claim moral high ground when you give me a one-liner and dismissal.
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Lord of Bays Have you used mega pidge? Have you battled mega pidge? I can't comprehend how you don't see this as a top tier threat. It can beat any pokemon in the tier on the switch with some luck. Any pokemon! Even mega aero can be confused down. But who cares about Maero... its not as common because its being countered. Even if your opponent has a Maero, it does not ensure that M pidge is not a problem. Keeping a pokemon out of a rank because of one pokemon, especially one that requires a mega stone, is ludicrous.
Is Maero your argument?
Is Maero your argument?
I really don't see Mega Pidgeot as S-Rank material. If you really want to get nitty gritty with it just look at its stats. 83/80/80 defenses with a typing that leaves much to be desired alongside a middling speed stat and not too much power backing it up. That previous sentence is a jumbled mess of all the foreseeable downsides of Mega Pidgeot so I'll get into them a little bit here. 83/80/80 defenses AFTER the mega evolution. Prior to mega evolving you're left with and even worse 83/75/70 stat distribution. This is pretty poor for something that usually has an argument of natural bulk thrown into why it's so good all the time.
For example, the once touted absolute best Mega Pidgeot set was the whole "Fuck Stall it's lame and I hate it so I'm going to run only Hurricane and a bunch of other shit set", still working on the name. Anyways, it was the Work Up + Refresh set that supposedly ran over Balance and Stall. This set, like any other Pidgeot set, struggles from lacks of opportunity. Pidgeot thrives when it is facing up against passive mons that it can switch in safely on and threaten out. THERE ARE NONE IN THIS TIER. That's a bit of an exaggeration but when you really look at it am I wrong? Defensive Scalds are doing upwards of 30% while threatening burns, Florges' moonblast does almost half and lowers Special Attack, Krookodile's Dread Plate Knock Off does over half, etc. There is nothing for it to come in on, especially pre mega.
This ties into Pidgeot's shitty defensive typing. Normal/Flying is garbage in this tier, lets be honest. You pack an immunity to ghost (Oh Boy!), a resistance to grass (neato!), and an immunity to ground (this is actually useful). At the same time, you're subjecting yourself to getting smacked around by Electric moves (not too relevant), Ice types (Hello Mamoswine), and hard body rock types (the always mentioned Mega Aerodactyl). On paper, 2 immunities and a resist is great but in practice not so much. What even uses Ghost type moves? Off the top of my head you have Chandelure and thats about it, not much of a consolation as Fire Blast damn near OHKO's you.
252+ SpA Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pidgeot: 258-304 (83.7 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Grass types of the tier include Chesnaught, Roserade, and Tangrowth. Two of these sleep you as you come in, and one of them does a fuck ton with Sludge Bomb (Hint: It's Roserade). Now the Ground immunity is actually really nice, as it is with all Flying-types. However, when you look at it, the ground types of the tier still threaten Mega Pidgeot and it really doesn't want to come in. Swampert threatens Scald burn while dealing 30%, nothing to scoff at. In addition, Swampert could very well mega evolve itself and fucking demolish Pidgeot with a strong attack. Krookodile deals over half with Dread Plate Knock Off while not getting killed by Hurricane even after rocks. Finally, Gligar at the very least guarantees momentum for your team by chewing a Hurricane before U-turning out (Substitute variants are a nightmare for Gligar). So all in all here, middling bulk + garbage typing leave a lot to be desired.
Now, this third point also ties in to the previous ones. Pidgeot can't Mega evolve safely. If you've played with Pidgeot you know exactly what I'm talking about. Unless you're against some slow ass team then it is a pain in the ass to mega evolve. This is obviously due to the shitty bulk and typing that I just talked about. This point holds especially true versus offensive teams. Offense can pretty much OHKO Pidgeot whenever it gets to fire off a hit. This is true so much so that especially on the ladder, Pidgeot users attempt to evolve turn 1 against the lead (smart). However, simple tweaks make Pidgeot utterly useless by OHKOing it with TBolt from Azelf. From there it Hurricanes against something and then dies because it isn't strong enough to OHKO that many things.
These arguments thus far still fail to mention any of the counters in the tier such as Ampharos, Aerodactyl, Empoleon, Porygon2, Blissey (some sets), Florges (kinda), among others. Furthermore, you're still taking up your mega slot and all these together make for something that isn't quite S Rank material. For anybody who is having trouble against Mega Pidgeot I would suggest to play proactively and not re-actively. No shit you're going to get beat by it if you try to switch in on Hurricanes every time. Force that motherfucker to roost instead of hitting you and your problems are solved. Either that or bring an Ampharos and laugh as you get free momentum every time it comes in.
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Pidgeot Stays A+ or wherever it is I didn't check.
For example, the once touted absolute best Mega Pidgeot set was the whole "Fuck Stall it's lame and I hate it so I'm going to run only Hurricane and a bunch of other shit set", still working on the name. Anyways, it was the Work Up + Refresh set that supposedly ran over Balance and Stall. This set, like any other Pidgeot set, struggles from lacks of opportunity. Pidgeot thrives when it is facing up against passive mons that it can switch in safely on and threaten out. THERE ARE NONE IN THIS TIER. That's a bit of an exaggeration but when you really look at it am I wrong? Defensive Scalds are doing upwards of 30% while threatening burns, Florges' moonblast does almost half and lowers Special Attack, Krookodile's Dread Plate Knock Off does over half, etc. There is nothing for it to come in on, especially pre mega.
This ties into Pidgeot's shitty defensive typing. Normal/Flying is garbage in this tier, lets be honest. You pack an immunity to ghost (Oh Boy!), a resistance to grass (neato!), and an immunity to ground (this is actually useful). At the same time, you're subjecting yourself to getting smacked around by Electric moves (not too relevant), Ice types (Hello Mamoswine), and hard body rock types (the always mentioned Mega Aerodactyl). On paper, 2 immunities and a resist is great but in practice not so much. What even uses Ghost type moves? Off the top of my head you have Chandelure and thats about it, not much of a consolation as Fire Blast damn near OHKO's you.
252+ SpA Chandelure Fire Blast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pidgeot: 258-304 (83.7 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Grass types of the tier include Chesnaught, Roserade, and Tangrowth. Two of these sleep you as you come in, and one of them does a fuck ton with Sludge Bomb (Hint: It's Roserade). Now the Ground immunity is actually really nice, as it is with all Flying-types. However, when you look at it, the ground types of the tier still threaten Mega Pidgeot and it really doesn't want to come in. Swampert threatens Scald burn while dealing 30%, nothing to scoff at. In addition, Swampert could very well mega evolve itself and fucking demolish Pidgeot with a strong attack. Krookodile deals over half with Dread Plate Knock Off while not getting killed by Hurricane even after rocks. Finally, Gligar at the very least guarantees momentum for your team by chewing a Hurricane before U-turning out (Substitute variants are a nightmare for Gligar). So all in all here, middling bulk + garbage typing leave a lot to be desired.
Now, this third point also ties in to the previous ones. Pidgeot can't Mega evolve safely. If you've played with Pidgeot you know exactly what I'm talking about. Unless you're against some slow ass team then it is a pain in the ass to mega evolve. This is obviously due to the shitty bulk and typing that I just talked about. This point holds especially true versus offensive teams. Offense can pretty much OHKO Pidgeot whenever it gets to fire off a hit. This is true so much so that especially on the ladder, Pidgeot users attempt to evolve turn 1 against the lead (smart). However, simple tweaks make Pidgeot utterly useless by OHKOing it with TBolt from Azelf. From there it Hurricanes against something and then dies because it isn't strong enough to OHKO that many things.
These arguments thus far still fail to mention any of the counters in the tier such as Ampharos, Aerodactyl, Empoleon, Porygon2, Blissey (some sets), Florges (kinda), among others. Furthermore, you're still taking up your mega slot and all these together make for something that isn't quite S Rank material. For anybody who is having trouble against Mega Pidgeot I would suggest to play proactively and not re-actively. No shit you're going to get beat by it if you try to switch in on Hurricanes every time. Force that motherfucker to roost instead of hitting you and your problems are solved. Either that or bring an Ampharos and laugh as you get free momentum every time it comes in.
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Pidgeot Stays A+ or wherever it is I didn't check.
I do think Pidgeot is a top tier threat. That's why I agree that it is in A+ and not something like B-. But confusion hax is NOT enough to let Pidgeot beat all its answers. If it always confused and you always hit yourself like some of you are very clearly acting like it does, then Pidgeot would belong in S as defensive answers would no longer be viable, you would HAVE to use a Pokemon that outsped, which is limited to a few of our Megas (including Aero) Crobat, and any number of Scarfers. Even then, I wouldn't look down on someone who thought Aerodactyl was reason to not use Pidgeot, because as Pidgeot gets better Aero gets better even faster because it is such a good counter.
For the record, every time I've run Mega Pidgeot and my opponent has had Aerodactyl, Pidgeot at best put some pressure on his team and at worst did absolutely nothing but get forced out every time it was in before it landed a single meaningful blow. Lastly, luck is not a good argument for placing as fragile as Pidgeot. Suicune, Quagsire, Swampert: All of these Pokemon has very serious bulk that lets them fish constantly for Scald burns. Mega Pidgeot needs a first or second turn Confusion AND the self-hit or it gets shredded like tissue paper.
I just going to say one more thing as you have made a very compelling argument and everything you have said are facts. The confusion hax ARE enough to put M-pidge into S rank. I've seen it not once but multiple times flip a game on its head because a special wall got confusion. Hurricane is a really good move, that's why to balance it out, game freak gave it 70% accuracy. Its powerful and easy to spam with Pidge and with this meta where electric types are rarely on a team and rocks types can't take special hits. This pokemon is not skilled based. Its easy to use and easy to spam. It has a set to beat stall while still keeping the same offensive pressure but leaving you susceptible to steal types.
You switch your infamous Aero into a hurricane and by some string of luck you get confusion. The pidge switches out into its Mero counter (most teams have it) as you get confused on the roost. You can't stay in and your survivability has greatly decreased. Pidgeot is the greatest underdog there ever was because you can make so many mistakes but ultimately win because of confusion hax. The speed is great even before mega. Read above for my argument against a more precise rebuttal. I'm done with your Maero argument. It is not a valid argument in the slightest. I've stated why and I won't repeat myself.
I am just going to pitch in here for a second. To me, Mega Pidg can be A+ or S I am not really too sure which I perfer. I can confodently say that I have had the most experience with Pidgeot as I use it on almost all of my teams and have been using it since the start of ORAS. With that being said, the Mega Aero argument is indeed valid. Everytime I use Pidgeot against a someone competent player using an Aerodactyl, pidgeot is pretty much doing nothing the whole game. And with mega Aero being an S rank mon that gets decent usage(not as much usage as before to be honest, which makes me on the fence about which placement I pefer) pidgeot is not as "risk free" as S rank mons are defined as.
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Yes, Aerodactly is always gonna check it but can not counter that well. It takes 40% from Hurricane before, 30% after mega evo. If you don't get the chance to mega you lose about 65% to Hurricane+SR. You should forget countering it if you are lacking roost. What if it turns out that Aero has roost? I'll tell you. It is gonna be forced to click it and lose momentum every single time it hard switches specially if the rocks are up.
Here's a replay vs Century Express, a competent player. His only pokemon that can outspeed Pidgeot is his Aero and because i am using the work up set he can't resort to Florges or Snorlax. Due to rocks pressures Aero so much he has to sack something every time Pidgeot comes in for free. In this game his Aero comes in against my Pidgeot 3 times. First he hard switches before mega evolving and takes 40%, the others after i get a kill. Every single time this scenario happened i predicted him to double switch out to keep momentum but i made the Jamvad play by not acting accordingly because i had a healty Swampert and Forretress. The amount of risk was higher than the amount of reward until the third time. My opponent was in a losing position and had to make a play if he wanted to have a chance to win so i've changed my gameplan. Instead of removing Aero and winning w/Pidgeot i decided to remove his other pokemon, leave Aero only and win with Swampert + Kyurem. At the end of the day Pidgeot managed to get three kills when opponent still had an Aero alive. My point is the existence of Aerodactyl only stops Pidgeot to sweep. It doesn't make it useless. It can still put in work and get kills, just not in a row.
The main reason i think it is S worthy is its damn high speed. Usually most teams have only one thing that can outspeed it. This leaves you to scarfers who are prone to knock off and priority moves. Best way of utilizing Pidgeot is on a spikestacking team. If you can remove faster mons, set your rocks and get a layer of spike you're highly gonna sweep with Pidgeot without any need of set up vs offense. The fact that only Crobat, Aero, Bee, Sceptile and lol Jolteon, Noivern can naturally outspeed it is just too much imo.
Confusion is a pretty garbage argument tbh. You're not confusing your way past Empoleon or Ampharos. Trying to confuse your way past Porygon is just asking to become fucking useless as you get twaved. Also you really didnt catch my argument (it wasn't really worded properly though), you aren't predicting the roost, you're hitting Pidgeot on the switch so that it has to roost as you switch to your check, keeping it healthy. Also the Work Up set loses to Florges 1 on 1 provided you don't get bullshitted seeing as you have to roost like every turn. Moonblast drops stop you from boosting up.
0 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pidgeot: 135-160 (43.8 - 51.9%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO
Look at S rank, you see Hydreigon, Feraligatr, and Aerodactyl. All of these pokemon have defensive utility alongside their offensive capabilities. When you add one of these three to your team, it gets stronger 100%. Adding Pidgeot leaves yourself open to getting smashed by a ton of shit since there is a slot on your squad that is doing nothing defensively. I'm not saying that S Rank specifically has to have pokemon that have good defensive capability alongside offensive prowess but is Pidgeot's offensive prowess so much greater than the other S rank mons that it deserves to bypass its lack of defensive utility? The answer is no.
0 SpA Florges Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Pidgeot: 135-160 (43.8 - 51.9%) -- 11.7% chance to 2HKO
Look at S rank, you see Hydreigon, Feraligatr, and Aerodactyl. All of these pokemon have defensive utility alongside their offensive capabilities. When you add one of these three to your team, it gets stronger 100%. Adding Pidgeot leaves yourself open to getting smashed by a ton of shit since there is a slot on your squad that is doing nothing defensively. I'm not saying that S Rank specifically has to have pokemon that have good defensive capability alongside offensive prowess but is Pidgeot's offensive prowess so much greater than the other S rank mons that it deserves to bypass its lack of defensive utility? The answer is no.
Lol
Its not a garbage argument because it happens all the time.
Edit: I have rebuttals for the posts down below but I said I was done.
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Tbh I don't think "It can hax its way past counters" is a good argument for something to rise/drop (other than something like Serene Grace Jirachi). I mean, anything could get infinite crits/flinches/parahax/confusehax etc. but using that as a point to allow it to rise is a bad idea (there IS a 70% chance of it not confusing as well).
This is especially true given the damage that some of its counters take from it. For example, Empoleon takes like 20% max from Hurricane. It's totally feasible to stay in on that when you're doing basically nothing. Staying in praying for hax when you can be severely crippled is just silly and should be an added note when talking about Pidgeot, not a component of the central argument.
It's not that the Pidgeot is staying in on a non-confused check. What usually happens (in the cases where Pidgeot kills a check) is that you switch Emp, Florges, P2 etc on a Pidgeot, it gets confused, and the Pidgeot stays in for another Hurricane. You may argue that Pidgeot shouldn't stay in on these, even if confused, to avoid being crippled, and that may be true if the check is relatively healthy. However, just a bit of chip damage can spell a death sentence for the Pidgeot switch in if it gets confused. Fllorges takes likes 32-37% form Hurricane, so let's say its at 80%. It switches in on rocks and is now at 68%. Hurricane drops it to 35% and Lefties brings it back to 41%. HOWEVER, on the switch it gets confused. The Pidgeot now has absolutely no reason to switch, as the worst thing that can happen is taking 45% or so from Moonblast and getting a SpA drop, but Florges will die. Florges is forced to Wish and then Protect, and the odds are not in her favor that this will happen.
Shhhh you can't say that around here...
I'm an avid user of Mega Pidgeot, and while I do find that it often feels like my "ace in the hole" there are also times when it feels utterly useless. While I'm not quite as negative as YABO on the subject, I do find it has significant trouble switching in and is often forced out very easily. The more offensive pressure your opponent is sporting the more likely Pidgeot is only coming in after a sack. Similarly, there are plenty of threats (including pretty much every viable scarfer) that can force Mega Pidgeot out if they get a safe switch-in. Crobat easily speed creeps it, Entei's extreme speed hurts like hell, Mamoswine and Abomasnow both threaten it severely with their STAB Ice Shard, and without Agility (a set I tried during the suspect test and actually quite liked) it's just fodder for Mega Beedrill and Sharpedo to get their speed increase.
Now obviously I do use Pidgeot extensively so I believe its strengths vastly outweigh its flaws, but those are definite flaws and you need to address them with your other team slots. So, overall, I agree with Mega Pidgeot remaining A+ rank.
Now obviously I do use Pidgeot extensively so I believe its strengths vastly outweigh its flaws, but those are definite flaws and you need to address them with your other team slots. So, overall, I agree with Mega Pidgeot remaining A+ rank.
This. An S rank pokemon should never feel useless which is not the case for Pidgeot.
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