Speaking of Twitter votes, do you have a link as to where we can see the voting results and as to where we can vote?
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Pokkén Tournament
- Thread starter Lady Vader
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No one bothered to make a list.
I just manually counted what I can see. (twitter doesn't show all tweets)
I'm kind of disappointed by how Charizard looks... maybe it's because I'm just used to how he plays in Smash Bros already and, to my untrained eye at least, it doesn't look that different (and yes I'm aware it's a totally different style of fighter more focused around combos whereas Smash is spiritually a platformer... but it still looks a lot like Charizard in Smash Bros to me).
Weavile looks cool but I don't think I'll be maining him.
Weavile looks cool but I don't think I'll be maining him.
Blaziken confirmed for Pokken!
By golly gee whillickers Batman, we haven't known this for two years at all!
In all seriousness, something of interest is that the article says Blaziken will be playable from AUGUST - the game comes out this month, so it seems they'll be adding characters in throughout the months; sort of like free DLC. This could be interesting; don't lose hope for any 'mon just yet.
By golly gee whillickers Batman, we haven't known this for two years at all!
In all seriousness, something of interest is that the article says Blaziken will be playable from AUGUST - the game comes out this month, so it seems they'll be adding characters in throughout the months; sort of like free DLC. This could be interesting; don't lose hope for any 'mon just yet.
Blaziken confirmed for Pokken!
By golly gee whillickers Batman, we haven't known this for two years at all!
In all seriousness, something of interest is that the article says Blaziken will be playable from AUGUST - the game comes out this month, so it seems they'll be adding characters in throughout the months; sort of like free DLC. This could be interesting; don't lose hope for any 'mon just yet.
Hmm, I wonder if the reason they didn't show Blaziken is because they wanted to show it won't only be Fighting-types in the game. We started with Lucario and Machamp but then got a Water-, Electric-, Psychic/Fairy-, Ghost/Poison-, Fire/Flying-, and Ice/Dark-type without another Fighting-type appearing between them. If I recall one of the original worries of the game was it would be just Fighting-types so I think they just wanted to make it clear that wasn't the case. Of course the other fear was the game would be mainly bipeds and though we have Suicune there has only been bipeds since.
Also, I just watched a few more gameplay trailers of Pokken Tournament from GameXplain on youtube. When I watched the Gengar vs Pikachu fight, I observed the performance of the support pokemon.
First, Jirachi seems to use the move Helping Hand instead of either Wish or Doom Desire (my prediction failed again. sigh. Either one would have been cool). Simply, she plays like Eevee. It seems that she bolsters only one stat, but the boost is much higher than Eevee's Helping Hand. (Think of Howl vs Swords Dance's difference in the main games)
Whimsicott is the interesting one to point out with its Cotton Guard Move. If any of you here play Mario Kart, one of the power ups you can get would be three Koopa Shells that circle around you upon activating the item. It also acts similar to this game where it shields you from three attacks, minus the ability to throw the cotton balls.
First, Jirachi seems to use the move Helping Hand instead of either Wish or Doom Desire (my prediction failed again. sigh. Either one would have been cool). Simply, she plays like Eevee. It seems that she bolsters only one stat, but the boost is much higher than Eevee's Helping Hand. (Think of Howl vs Swords Dance's difference in the main games)
Whimsicott is the interesting one to point out with its Cotton Guard Move. If any of you here play Mario Kart, one of the power ups you can get would be three Koopa Shells that circle around you upon activating the item. It also acts similar to this game where it shields you from three attacks, minus the ability to throw the cotton balls.
Well, you have a point, but from the way you are telling us, my guess is that, for you, Nintendo must focus less on the Japanese Market and Focus on America, non-English Speaking European Countries, and English-Speaking European more than their Japanese Demographic.
But if you are a game designer, out of curiosity is it harder to make a game more attractive to a country that you did not plan to focus on deeply?
What? Why don't you just copy and paste the Japanese name of your favorite Pokemon and tweet it?
A lot of Chinese fans do that.
No one cares where you are from.
You said that translators are everywhere.
^I didn't, that was somebody else.
Anyway, my point being: People worldwide are excited for this game. People worldwide are exited for Pokémon in general. The franchise is marketed all over the globe. The games sell well everywhere, and fans all over the world would love to give some input on the game designs. But when the developers once in a while stretch out a hand to their loving fans, they focus exclusively on Japan. Would it really cost them that much to turn some attention to their international market too? While fans of the Pokémon franchise exist all over the world, most of the discussion on the franchise - and pretty much all of the big sites, forums, blogs, YouTube channels and whatnot - are in English.
When the developers put out something in English, all of the world is able to listen. The language is taught and understood pretty much everywhere, and Pokémon fans already use it to communicate, even when it's not their primary language. When they put out something in Japanese only, all of the world but Japan is frustrated that they can't understand, because Japanese is only used in Japan and only understandable to its closest neighbours.
Anyway, my point being: People worldwide are excited for this game. People worldwide are exited for Pokémon in general. The franchise is marketed all over the globe. The games sell well everywhere, and fans all over the world would love to give some input on the game designs. But when the developers once in a while stretch out a hand to their loving fans, they focus exclusively on Japan. Would it really cost them that much to turn some attention to their international market too? While fans of the Pokémon franchise exist all over the world, most of the discussion on the franchise - and pretty much all of the big sites, forums, blogs, YouTube channels and whatnot - are in English.
When the developers put out something in English, all of the world is able to listen. The language is taught and understood pretty much everywhere, and Pokémon fans already use it to communicate, even when it's not their primary language. When they put out something in Japanese only, all of the world but Japan is frustrated that they can't understand, because Japanese is only used in Japan and only understandable to its closest neighbours.
Maybe because they don't want to hire interpreters?
And maybe because they think you can just copy and paste stuff into the translator, and copy and paste the stuff back to their twitter?
So... the few people working on this will need interpreters to translate the Pokémon names from English to Japanese, but the millions of fans could just use online translators to translate the Pokémon names from English to Japanese? I'm not really sure if I catch the logic here. Why should the translation burden be on the fans, and not the developers? Especially since the developers are obliged to translate the entire game into English anyway for the international release.
I guess we could just say that the issue may come from Localization troubles [A language problem in some sense too]. From what I know of the word, localization means translating messages to another language. It's a part of Game designing too.
Well, we have 8 fighters so far. Now it makes me think as to who will be the last 6 pokemon to fill up the six remaining possible spots. After watching this person's opinion, I agree to some of them (Blaziken is already confirmed). But for me, the last 5 fighters that I imagine could become the next bill for the remaining slots:
a. Wigglytuff - Taking courtesy for us PMD fans, this guild master is a VERY tough boss to fight. And the fact that he has a godlike powered Hyper Voice in his story (courtesy of Special Episode 2 in Explorers of Sky), I say that he could represent the normal types. [Alternative: Cinccino in order to contest Pikachu and Weavile as a small ranged attacker while being aggressive in Close Quarters Combat with Tail Slap]
b. Drapion - with his size and claws, he could play the grappler type of fighter where most of his damage comes from grab damage with the rest of his attacks doing mediocre damage. Probably a good Poison Type candidate. [Alternatixe: Toxicroak]
c. Zoroark - the video link tells it to me already
d. Haxorus - the video link exactly says my opinions as to why he deserves it. [Alternative: Garchomp or Druddigon]
e. Diancie - with her debut on the movie, with the capability of turning her gems to lethal Diamond Swords, plus with her spammy attacks like Moonblast + Diamond Storm, she could be a very utility heavy pokemon with good Speed while holding a middle range height [Alternative: Aegislash]
Well, we have 8 fighters so far. Now it makes me think as to who will be the last 6 pokemon to fill up the six remaining possible spots. After watching this person's opinion, I agree to some of them (Blaziken is already confirmed). But for me, the last 5 fighters that I imagine could become the next bill for the remaining slots:
a. Wigglytuff - Taking courtesy for us PMD fans, this guild master is a VERY tough boss to fight. And the fact that he has a godlike powered Hyper Voice in his story (courtesy of Special Episode 2 in Explorers of Sky), I say that he could represent the normal types. [Alternative: Cinccino in order to contest Pikachu and Weavile as a small ranged attacker while being aggressive in Close Quarters Combat with Tail Slap]
b. Drapion - with his size and claws, he could play the grappler type of fighter where most of his damage comes from grab damage with the rest of his attacks doing mediocre damage. Probably a good Poison Type candidate. [Alternatixe: Toxicroak]
c. Zoroark - the video link tells it to me already
d. Haxorus - the video link exactly says my opinions as to why he deserves it. [Alternative: Garchomp or Druddigon]
e. Diancie - with her debut on the movie, with the capability of turning her gems to lethal Diamond Swords, plus with her spammy attacks like Moonblast + Diamond Storm, she could be a very utility heavy pokemon with good Speed while holding a middle range height [Alternative: Aegislash]
Because if you put the work on the interpreters, it's a lot of work for them, and they might not know if it's a Pokemon or not.
Whilst, if the fans do it, it will only take each fan less than a minute.
But I think, they should have opened an English voting platform, for people to vote in English and for English people to count the votes, and only translate the final result to the Japanese developers.
So as Spanish.
^Tallying votes on Twitter would most likely be done with a script anyway. The developers wouldn't scour Twitter manually to count the results, all they'd see would be an array of final votes and numbers at the end of the voting period.
Not to mention, even though it is Japan we're talking about, it's reasonable to believe that the people working on Pokkén would be proficient enough in English to understand the final results without hiring a translator. Also, if the translators weren't able to tell whether the votes concerned Pokémon or not, somebody would have hired the wrong translators for the job. All in all, the language barrier wouldn't be that hard to overcome.
Not to mention, even though it is Japan we're talking about, it's reasonable to believe that the people working on Pokkén would be proficient enough in English to understand the final results without hiring a translator. Also, if the translators weren't able to tell whether the votes concerned Pokémon or not, somebody would have hired the wrong translators for the job. All in all, the language barrier wouldn't be that hard to overcome.
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While I wouldn't go as far as saying the English speaking market is bigger than the Asian one (call me an optimist but I'd like to think it's equal in size. And even if it wasn't, both are still a large population as well as other languages and their opinions shouldn't be ignored), I would say its a bit shortsighted for them to not have an equivalent voting place at least in English (though every language the game lets you choose at the beginning would be even better). And with a little programming they could have all the votes collect in one spot. Heck, just open a voting place on the official Pokemon website.
BUT we're getting off topic. So let's end this discussion right here. If you want to continue talking about it take it to PMs.
Interesting choices. Honestly I wouldn't know who to pick, I've never played a Tekken game before so I wouldn't know what Pokemon would be able to translate to that battling style (though from what I saw in the videos it doesn't really matter). However it seems like they may want to do DLC so that doesn't mean once the game is released that's it.
While I wouldn't go as far as saying the English speaking market is bigger than the Asian one (call me an optimist but I'd like to think it's equal in size. And even if it wasn't, both are still a large population as well as other languages and their opinions shouldn't be ignored), I would say its a bit shortsighted for them to not have an equivalent voting place at least in English (though every language the game lets you choose at the beginning would be even better). And with a little programming they could have all the votes collect in one spot. Heck, just open a voting place on the official Pokemon website.
BUT we're getting off topic. So let's end this discussion right here. If you want to continue talking about it take it to PMs.
Interesting choices. Honestly I wouldn't know who to pick, I've never played a Tekken game before so I wouldn't know what Pokemon would be able to translate to that battling style (though from what I saw in the videos it doesn't really matter). However it seems like they may want to do DLC so that doesn't mean once the game is released that's it.
Do we even KNOW if this game is getting a western release though.
As for the preference of Japan, I feel I should point out that Pokemon is invented in Japan anyway and that Japanesestuff made in Japan seems to have content exclusive to japan (see: the KH Final Mixes pre PS3, Yu-Gi-Oh promotional cards, and oh yeah, the Pokemon events for the games).
That is something that I also ponder as well. While I can agree to the high chance of this game releasing in other countries a year or two later, I think the true concern right now is IF this arcade game will succeed in Japan. From what I know from fighting game fans coming from Tekken or Street Fighter and the like so far, the arcades acts as a beta ground for these types of games to fix bugs, adjust a character's performance (thnk of Smogon's Tier System, but with the capability of fixing the broken characters), and get public fan opinions of the game. Then, it gets released worldwide if successful. I'm honestly how popular Pokémon is right now in Japan, but it's not as popular as their prime in the mid 1990s. Even though it is still a powerful symbol for that country, if the gaming community of Japan doesn't approve it, I somewhat fear that it won't get released worldwide.
So, Japan, please like this crossover. It could be a new friend for the SSB community.
Unfortunately, Pokken is not well received in Japan.
They say that there are too many similar games.
So, with that response from their fellow countrymen, does it reduce the chance for this game to be released somewhere else? Like In Southeast Asia, Europe, or America? Because if it ends up not being possible, well, it's very much a GG,WP (Good Game, WEll Played) Japan.
Maybe it'll do better on consoles? Also I'm not surprised it doesn't play differently from other fighters, the appeal of the game is that its Pokemon fighting. But that said I can see a Pokemon fan maybe not getting what they want from it since it looks like every Pokemon has a pre-set move list and some of the moves look like normal punches, kicks, tackles, and such. I suspect Pokemon fans want a 3D fighting game where you can choose the moves for the Pokemon and its the moves from the game. I'm not saying that Pokken should have been that, I'm just saying people might have been expecting one thing when they should have really been expecting something else.
This is the franchise that made money from Pokémon Channel. It is a game with the Pokémon stamp on it, and it appears to be rather well made. It's all the rage on all the Pokémon fan sites out there. It will make its money back if they release it, that's pretty much a given. Besides, after fully developing it, how much money would they really save by not porting and releasing it worldwide? Most of the costs going into the project have already been accounted for. Shutting it down right before entering the profit phase sounds like a very, very silly idea.