ORAS OU Role Compendium v2

[SketchUp]

yeah Moxie is other setup. It should stay as Pursuit imo because Pursuit helps you against some pokemon afraid of Sucker Punch and if they are not the most bulky (Lati for example) you get a free kill + Moxie boost. Pursuit + Sucker Punch + Brave Bird + Heat Wave / Icy Wind is a pretty cool set to use in OU

 

[p2]

Hoopa's finally out so I can add it. Is CM relevant on it or is it just mainly Nasty Plot?

 

[AM]

Hoopa's finally out so I can add it. Is CM relevant on it or is it just mainly Nasty Plot?

NP

 

[Qwanda]

Add celebi to healing with clerics, and possibly offensive pivots (NastyPass).

Thanks

Hoopa's finally out so I can add it. Is CM relevant on it or is it just mainly Nasty Plot?

You could also add Hoopa to other setup with sub salac.

 

[Vert]

requesting this thread to be stickied because it will motivate hmb to implement more things and is a great tool for assisting good teambuilding.

Human Mystery Box, please add:
- tyranitar to suicide leads (focus sash) as it beats a handful of opposing hyper offense leads, can set up rocks, and net some crucial damage early game. ex. hitting keldeo with thunder or ice beam on garchomp to help a mega scizor sweep.
- mew to suicide leads as it has a great niche in being able to set up rocks, use tailwind, and go out with normal gem explosion without forfeiting any momentum. the last moveslot adds to its unpredictability as it can use taunt, will-o-wisp, or an attacking move to beat a common lead of the opponent (ex. aura sphere to kill bisharp)
- klefki to suicide leads. i think this is fairly obvious - spikes / dual screens + fairy lock
- uxie to suicide leads. it has access to dual screens, stealth rock, and memento which grants easy set-up opportunities for teammates.
- thundurus and klefki to priority
- mega swampert and quagsire to curse since they're no worse than snorlax lel
- mega aerodactyl to trappers

also please remove crawdaunt from dragon dance lol. its awful and still slow at +1. doesn't even outspeed keldeo rofl

 

[MANNAT]

hoopa u should be added to offensive pivots because of its AV set, jirachi to wish users, also why tf isnt gengar under wallbreakers

 

[Guidorealmsmc]

Please add regular hoopa to wallbreakers and nasty plot.

 

[MikeDawg]

I think that it would be helpful to have these (relatively loosely) based on viability (like ctc's compendium).

Otherwise it is imo more efficient to just use the viability thread to eyeball each role (ie. if looking for a stealth rock mon, it is easier to run down the viability list, see garchomp in a+, and pick that)

 

[DarkNostalgia]

Change the link of the terminology thing to my thread, as it's more up-to-date and contains more relevant terminology.

• Starmie and Mega Sharpedo should go in wallbreakers. Starmie for its insane coverage and Mega Sharpedo for Strong Jaw + Crunch which 2HKOes even stuff like Mega Scizor and comes close to 2HKOing Ferrothorn. AoA Mega Sharpedo is an even better wallbreaker because it can use the extra coverage option very viably.
• Mega Latios in Calm Mind users I guess. Extra bulk allows it to set up easier.
• Uxie in Stealth Rock users please.
• Virizion in Swords Dance users.
• Venomoth in Quiver Dance users, next to Volcarona.
• Tornadus in priority for Prankster Tailwind + Rain Dance. Also probably add it in rain setters, along with Azelf.
• Stoutland in trappers (Pursuit).

That's all I got for now. Went through some E rank Pokemon because I saw you implemented a few of them but not all.

AraEDIT: Venomoth is no longer ranked, so it shouldn't be put here.

 

[p2]

Change the link of the terminology thing to my thread, as it's more up-to-date and contains more relevant terminology.

• Starmie and Mega Sharpedo should go in wallbreakers. Starmie for its insane coverage and Mega Sharpedo for Strong Jaw + Crunch which 2HKOes even stuff like Mega Scizor and comes close to 2HKOing Ferrothorn. AoA Mega Sharpedo is an even better wallbreaker because it can use the extra coverage option very viably.
• Mega Latios in Calm Mind users I guess. Extra bulk allows it to set up easier.
• Uxie in Stealth Rock users please.
• Virizion in Swords Dance users.
• Venomoth in Quiver Dance users, next to Volcarona.
• Tornadus in priority for Prankster Tailwind + Rain Dance. Also probably add it in rain setters, along with Azelf.
• Stoutland in trappers (Pursuit).

That's all I got for now. Went through some E rank Pokemon because I saw you implemented a few of them but not all.

AraEDIT: Venomoth is no longer ranked, so it shouldn't be put here.

I'll update the thread once a mod can delete the first 5 posts as I forgot to reserve a second post like a dumbass, because right now I'm really close to the 65000 limit.

 

[AM]

I'll update the thread once a mod can delete the first 5 posts as I forgot to reserve a second post like a dumbass, because right now I'm really close to the 65000 limit.

Done

 

[-Ixtamacunxi-]

Some things that should be added imo:

• Mega Steelix to sand abusers (and maybe Garchomp/Gliscor with Sand Veil)
• Vanilla Sableye to priority
• Hoopa-C to Nasty Plot users
• Azumarill to PuP users
• Mew to SD
• Mega Banette to Mega Pokemon
• Yanmega to Speed Boost
• Mega Latios to DD users? (kinda garbage but has it)
• Tentacruel to rain abusers? (Rain Dish is generally more useful than Clear Body/Liquid Ooze)

EDIT: I meant to say Rain Dish should be used if you're using Tenta on rain, but I guess I just didn't explain it well

 

[Karxrida]

Liquid Ooze is the first analysis slash because it fucks up Ferrothorn and Venusaur. Rain Dish can be used but Liquid Ooze is probably better because you're more likely to see Ferrothorn or Venusaur than a Rain team.

 

[p2]

drop E ranks y/n

oh cool, 900th post

 

[AM]

drop E ranks y/n

oh cool, 900th post

y

 

[AM]

But you can add whatever you think is legit regardless of viability rankings.

 

[AD impish john]

AM you said to say "please" when posting so here you go...

Can you "please" add Hydreigon to Tailwind users in Other Set Up, sounds dumb but it has caught many players off guard, and is good help for the rest of the team. Ask BlazeLatias about it :S

And can you "please" add Gourgeist to Physically Defensive walls.

Oh and also Mega Venusaur appears twice in Physically Defensive...

 

[KlefkiHolder]

Would calm mind latios (so the life orb cm Draco psychic stab set) be worth adding to stall breakers?

Also maybe charizard x to swords dance?

Edit: please :]

 

[AsIWroteToThePaper]

Mega Gardevoir to Wish users :)

 

[p2]

Mega Gardevoir to Wish users :)

Does Wish Mega Gardevoir actually work though? It sounds really gimmicky and ineffective while sacrificing too much from its massive offensive presence

 

[astroboy]

i did it with the nu role compendium so i figured id do it here lol. organized the wallbreakers section into physical/special/mixed subsections :0
Wallbreakers:
physical:

special:

mixed:

 

[p2]

i did it with the nu role compendium so i figured id do it here lol. organized the wallbreakers section into physical/special/mixed subsections :0
Wallbreakers:
physical:

special:

mixed:

cool stuff

also added choice band and specs users :O

 

[Random Passerby]

MLopunny can be added to Work Up users
Gastrodon can be added to Curse users
Victini can be added to Work Up users

Maybe I haven't seen enough yet but is Work Up even relevant in OU? ( except Mega Pidgeot )
Curse Gastro seems alright in the replay though.

 

[astroboy]

that set is gimmicky as hell and it shouldnt be added lol

as a general rule, try thinking about how this resource is first and foremost for new players. this thread is meant to show relevant threats to prepare for and/or use, and work up mega lopunny isnt a relevant threat lmao. this is like suggesting cosmic power clefable to be in set-up sweepers or sylv in clerics; it gives newer players the wrong idea

 

[p2]

Huge thanks to Litra for the great banner!