In turn 6, after Lando-t used u-turn to kill tyranitar, im not sure why he didnt switch to skarmory to defog away rocks, isn't a priority for all monoflying get rocks away? Thats mainly the reason why he didnt switch char-y later again megaeye, becos rocks could kill char.Septicus said:
That's just proving the point that you can't let it get the chance to boost to more than +1 at most. You also should notice rnbs's team is a bit special offensive heavy, and he doesn't have a great physical wallbreaker. Granted, if char y had fire blast he may of had it easier as at +1 it would be a sure 2ko. Ex of a good Physical mega sabeye check: banded lando t, double dance lando t stallbreaker gliscor (bc it can't get will-o'd, it's easier to boost), taunt/rest talk gyarados, ect.
Tru, but you do have char y to absorb it.
I'm not saying you need to make like "the 100% best plays" but I think you may of choked a bit against it. Granted, if it boosts a lot, then yea it's op af, but if you catch it early, it's easier to handle.
On paper in my head at the time lando t seemed reasonable for a "physical" check, I apologize on my part for being wrong xD
You also need to consider that if ghost loses it (unless your like argus), it'll be significantly weaker as a type, as it is the only viable form of hazard control. For dark, yes it has a lot better support, but we'd need a complex ban for it to be fair (even though I'm personally not for a ban or suspect), and the new platform is to stray away from type only bans, to make things simpler to newcomers of the metagame. If anything that's the main problem on preventing action against it.
1, don't need to be mean, I was just trying to prove a point. 2, argus is amazing in the fact that he overpredicts, a lot, and a lot of them are costly to gain a win. Not all people are like that, and usually nay need the magic bounce support, say to absorb status, hazards, ect. Ghost is already a very challenging type and losing the only viable hazard control as well as the only viable mega would be a heavy blow.
Quit trying to stop the inevitable* -my mistake
So what you're saying is argus uses it well without mega sableye because he's good and the rest of the people use ghost just because mega sableye makes it easy?
Tell rnbs nasty plot thundurus beats sableye lol.
The issue is that while yes, your team of 6 pokemon should have an answer to mega sableye, the dark (or ghost maybe) team should have an answer to your answer. And if your answer is some niche mon designed specifically to beat sableye that isn't great overall a)sableye is centralizing the meta and b)you lose on pressure overall even if your pressure beats sableye. Take steel as an example-heatran (not to imply that heatran isn't fantastic overall), your sableye check, will probably win 1v1, assuming an eventual burn or crit. Maybe you can even switch in and get flash fire. But the enemy dark team also has switchins to heatran, so there's a whole complicated dynamic. I'm not saying sableye is an easy auto win, but it would be interesting to see what would happen with perfect play from both sides. A suspect test would be nice, but I'd rather see 2 good players who know their types really well play the matchup over and over again and see how sableye influences it. Just something like standard dark vs standard whatever, if they split the games fairly evenly or don't feel like sableye was making a huge difference then it can be dealt with.
Easier said than done. Yes, its a 6v6 situation, but good news, you have 6 too. That's what makes the issue perplexing, and the consequences if we were to ban it (lets say from both types for rn).
To be fair, you had togekiss chilling in the back, but didn't switch to it why?
"common sense" says not to keep an attacker in on something that both walls it and is going to set up. If he'd switched to toge t1 sab would only have been at +1, and we've already seen the calc that says toge wins in that situation.
M-Slowbro was banned because it was too difficult to beat and specifically you couldn't expect every monotype team to run both a toxic user and a mon that pressured it enough to 3HKO. It was also deemed unfair that you couldn't wait for a crit while it was setting up the way you can for other CM sets, because of Shell Armor. I don't know where you get the idea of waiting for the 1/16 chance from (which incidentally is 6.25% not 6.5%) because that's clearly not the case. I know, I was one of the people asking Nani to ban it at the time.
