Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

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It isn't news, that's the point. We got dropped a BIG conversation piece with absolutely no details so everyone is chomping at the bit over trivialities and no evidence.

There is a bit of a mystery in why Zygarde was advertised for a movie but then dropped to the anime while the next movie is about Volcanion and our new rolly-polly steel doll pokemon. While it could in theory just be waiting for the movie after that, I still think that somehow, somewhere there was a direction change regarding Zygarde.

Whether that was "no game for you" or "no movie, you're Ho-oh now," well we will just have wait and see how it all plays out.
Well yeah, but what I mean is that this tells us nothing new. Zygarde is still being advertised... yeah, of course it is. We know it is in some way going to be elaborated on in a game, this doesn't help us understand or theorize on that role any more.
 
They seem to be basing an entire expansion with Zygarde as the theme. Does anyone spend money on promoting something they don't intend to profit off of?

Some of the last few sets have been based on Mega Gengar, Fighting types, Charizards, or Gold-coloured Zoroarks. The TCG is only tangentially marketing the main games, and they'll profit off anything they choose to print. Plus TCG expansions are usually based off multiple Pokémon at once anyway, with incomprehensible levels of relevance (one booster art gets Groudon, another might get Houndoom, or whatever).

Edit: just checked. Zygarde' set is themed on Psychic Pokémon, with BREAK Pokémon and Zygarde as secondary themes. It had to release some time, anyway, the hasnt been even a regular Zygarde card yet.
 
Some of the last few sets have been based on Mega Gengar, Fighting types, Charizards, or Gold-coloured Zoroarks. The TCG is only tangentially marketing the main games, and they'll profit off anything they choose to print. Plus TCG expansions are usually based off multiple Pokémon at once anyway, with incomprehensible levels of relevance (one booster art gets Groudon, another might get Houndoom, or whatever).

Edit: just checked. Zygarde' set is themed on Psychic Pokémon, with BREAK Pokémon and Zygarde as secondary themes. It had to release some time, anyway, the been even a regular Zygarde card yet.

Yeah but unlike those mecha Zygarde has a huge movie and anime role too.
 
Well, sure. Zygarde is a big deal and the reason for it being a big deal is because: it's a big deal. But it getting a card or a feature in the next set? Not a big deal. It's an inevitability, and has been since perfect-Z was shown in that movie spoiler so many months ago.
 
I'm not using any specific piece of media as a singular reason why nintendo isn't done with it but all of them.

I mean, they did do event Charizard, Gengar, Zoroark, Dragonite, & Rayquaza.
 
I'm not using any specific piece of media as a singular reason why nintendo isn't done with it but all of them.

I mean, they did do event Charizard, Gengar, Zoroark, Dragonite, & Rayquaza.


Ooh I forgot the games sometimes do tcg event tie-ins. I'd totally go for a wifi Zygarde while we're waiting. I think that started with NXD's Mewtwo? It had Shadow Ball and Electro Ball as a nod towards the card's infamous X-Ball. And then Dark Explorers had a Darkrai event afaik. Shit did I even get that one? Gosh I hope so. I bought a box of that set.
 
I have to say, Zygarde's 100% form is really busy. There is a LOT going on there. It's as though they had a lot of ideas for it, and decided to toss them all together to make a giant Transformer/dinosaur/castle/dragonsnake...thing.

That said, I don't dislike it.
 
So who here subscribes to the notion that there may be more than 2 Zygarde Cores? Some people postulate that, on top of the hexagons in ZyGod's chest referencing the games, they may also be a sign that there are a handful of cores required to form ZyGod. We know the red and blue hexagons on the ends would respectively represent the red and blue cores, which we know are a visual nod to the colors used for the XY logos/legendaries. There's a chance that there's a marigold and a cerulean Zygarde Core (and maybe even a white one) who would be represented by the other two(or three) hexagons in ZyGod's chest.

Mind you, none of this is official, except that we know the red and blue Zygarde Cores are required for forming ZyGod.
 
So who here subscribes to the notion that there may be more than 2 Zygarde Cores? Some people postulate that, on top of the hexagons in ZyGod's chest referencing the games, they may also be a sign that there are a handful of cores required to form ZyGod. We know the red and blue hexagons on the ends would respectively represent the red and blue cores, which we know are a visual nod to the colors used for the XY logos/legendaries. There's a chance that there's a marigold and a cerulean Zygarde Core (and maybe even a white one) who would be represented by the other two(or three) hexagons in ZyGod's chest.

Mind you, none of this is official, except that we know the red and blue Zygarde Cores are required for forming ZyGod.
This was one of the reasons why I was initially skeptical of calling Sun and Moon a new generation (which I still am, but Nintendo has spoken so my opinion is irrelevant). It just seems way too connected to the lore of XY to be considered something entirely separate. The colors match up to the Sun and Moon logos almost perfectly. I'm still betting that SM are an extreme version of what GSC was to RB, though.
 
So who here subscribes to the notion that there may be more than 2 Zygarde Cores? Some people postulate that, on top of the hexagons in ZyGod's chest referencing the games, they may also be a sign that there are a handful of cores required to form ZyGod. We know the red and blue hexagons on the ends would respectively represent the red and blue cores, which we know are a visual nod to the colors used for the XY logos/legendaries. There's a chance that there's a marigold and a cerulean Zygarde Core (and maybe even a white one) who would be represented by the other two(or three) hexagons in ZyGod's chest.

Mind you, none of this is official, except that we know the red and blue Zygarde Cores are required for forming ZyGod.

Was there some release from gamefreak that mentioned this? I can't remember if this was confirmed or not.
 
What makes you say that?
Well, my line of thinking is that if they connect the main legends of SM to XY'S and Zygarde, that would totally tie Kalos and the new region together. Plus, how they're attempting to connect ORAS's Hoenn to the newly established timeline could be a hint of that. Mega stones/potential sundial-moondial connections, and the like. To have cross-gen legends and storylines would be more of a focused GS.

I hope this made some kind of sense. All speculation, of course.
 
Was there some release from gamefreak that mentioned this? I can't remember if this was confirmed or not.
The english website kind of curtails around it in true TPCi fashion.

The entry for Zygarde Core is:
At this stage, this aspect of Zygarde is little more than a part of the Pokémon's brain. Unlike the Cells, the Cores are self-aware and can communicate with Cells and other Cores via telepathy. When a change occurs in the local region's ecosystem, Cores have been known to take action.

Complete Zygarde's entry is:
This is the perfect Forme that Zygarde takes when the Core gathers 100% of the Cells. When the ecosystem is under threat, and the Core concludes that the 50% Forme will be unable to deal with it, the Core takes on the Complete Forme. Its power is said to be greater than that of the Legendary Pokémon Xerneas and Yveltal!

I think there's some ambiguity there, like it when it says "the core" it can be taken to mean "the core of X Zygarde forme is made up of Y number of Zygarde Cores, where Y ≥ 1".
 
Tangental, but I just thought of something... As it is now, the OU meta is really stable and has been for a while, with trends appearing and disappearing naturally without any intervention. But in my head that was always a temporary thing, ready to get thrown out as nothing more than a fond memory when we get new Megas or possibly moves/tutors. Nope! It's
now here to stay and will be for pretty much the rest of the year. So weird!

Unless they release Thousand Arrows Zygarde, I could see that changing things up a bit.
 
Tangental, but I just thought of something... As it is now, the OU meta is really stable and has been for a while, with trends appearing and disappearing naturally without any intervention. But in my head that was always a temporary thing, ready to get thrown out as nothing more than a fond memory when we get new Megas or possibly moves/tutors. Nope! It's
now here to stay and will be for pretty much the rest of the year. So weird!

Unless they release Thousand Arrows Zygarde, I could see that changing things up a bit.
That actually is a possibility: Game Freak releasing Zygarde with both Thousand moves as an event before the end of the Generation, same with Floette-E.
 
With Corocoro release just around the corner (official release is the 15th, but we all know we get the leaks much earlier), please be very careful with what information you post into this thread. Chances are there will be a fair few "good" fakes running around over the next few days before we get the actual Corocoro scans. We will endeavor to delete posts which have fakes in them.

If in doubt, please wait to post something, or contact Codraroll or I and we will see if we can verify it. Chances are if it comes from Serebii or Bulbanews the source is probably legit (Serebii has its own Corocoro readers). Otherwise, err on the side of caution.
 
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Adding to what DHR-107 said, the Serebii forums also keep an index of confirmed hoaxes. This thread (external link) will hopefully be a good resource for catching fakes. If you find something that appears to be legit, check if you find it there before spreading it further. Photoshop is a very powerful tool these days, fan artists are getting good at imitating Sugimori's style, and the community is getting a really good sense of CoroCoro's word choice, fonts and layouts, so people will manage to create some very convincing scans. Just be cautious.
 
Adding to what DHR-107 said, the Serebii forums also keep an index of confirmed hoaxes. This thread (external link) will hopefully be a good resource for catching fakes. If you find something that appears to be legit, check if you find it there before spreading it further. Photoshop is a very powerful tool these days, fan artists are getting good at imitating Sugimori's style, and the community is getting a really good sense of CoroCoro's word choice, fonts and layouts, so people will manage to create some very convincing scans. Just be cautious.
I think someone mentioned the koala before-this is a hoax!
 
If so, they better get busy. I can't recall there being three "new Pokémon" events in one year before. Volcanion, Zygarde and Floette-E within months of another? Colour me skeptical...
1. A special, alternate form and an existing Pokémon with two event moves aren't "'new Pokémon'", especially just releasing Zygarde 50% with Thousand Arrows and Thousand Waves isn't a strange idea.
2. It has happened before: we had the Member Card (Darkrai), Oak's Letter (Shaymin), and the Arceus distribution all within a year of each other!
3. And we've never had a Generation without some form of a second game release where we go back to the region that began the Generation before. Game Freak isn't always the most predictable.
 
I can't see SuMo gaining a lot of traction, mostly for "gif or gif" reasons; the "su" and "mo" aren't pronounced like their individual parts are in "sun" and "moon". "SM" is consistent with previous gens, unlike "S&M", which is a funny conversation point and/or a sign we've run out of things to talk about. :V
 
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