SPOILERS! Mysteries and Conspiracies of Pokemon

[Pikachu315111]

So I was on the Youtubes, watching videos, often being recommended Pokemon videos since I'm guessing it once recommended a Pokemon video that I clicked on and since then knows I like Pokemon *sigh*. However it has directed me to some interesting videos (at the moment many are Sun & Moon discussion videos), however it does toss me others like one I'm going to talk about now. It's an interesting and well put together theory about Valerie... and how she might be Bill's little sister:

Original Video

Theory summary:
1. We know Valerie is from Johto and due to her heavy kimono theme probably has a connection with the Kimono Girls.
2. Bill's mom was a Kimono Girl.
3. The Kimono Girls and Bill have a preference for the Eevee family, and Valerie's main Pokemon is Sylveon.
4. Some trivia you find out about Bill's little sister is that she can't wink, a handy "skill" to have if you wear contact lenses, especially big and complicated ones like Valerie wears.
5. Bill's little sister looks up to Bill who once accidentally turned himself into a Pokemon. Valerie says she always wanted to be a Pokemon, a possible obsession she may have developed when she heard about Bill's story of being turned into a Pokemon if she's indeed Bill's little sister?

Okay, the last one is a bit of a stretch, though the others fit. She would also probably be around Valerie's age (a young adult). There's also other stuff like connecting her to Ecruteak City and how she can't be a full Kimono Girl since she also had a modeling career, but that's besides the point.

So, what do you think? A theory grasping at straws or maybe GF taking a rather obscure character and making them into someone important.

 

[HelenTheHero]

I'm going off of Pokemon Adventures here, but Bill does visually look different from Valerie. He has lighter colored hair, but because of the art style it's hard to find any other differences. Valerie's hair could of course be dyed, or be a trait from a parent. It's still possible though, I like this theory.

Hehehh I made it look like he's afraid of her eyes like I am.

 

[Pikachu315111]

I'm going off of Pokemon Adventures here, but Bill does visually look different from Valerie. He has lighter colored hair, but because of the art style it's hard to find any other differences. Valerie's hair could of course be dyed, or be a trait from a parent. It's still possible though, I like this theory.

Hehehh I made it look like he's afraid of her eyes like I am.

The manga, while more accurate than the anime, isn't really a source of reference. Especially since over the years the manga's art style has changed and they don't know everything GF have planned. There's also plenty of times where the manga made a guess/filled in something about a character and was wrong (or just went a whole other direction for the manga's story).

 

[The_Emperor]

So I was on the Youtubes, watching videos, often being recommended Pokemon videos since I'm guessing it once recommended a Pokemon video that I clicked on and since then knows I like Pokemon *sigh*. However it has directed me to some interesting videos (at the moment many are Sun & Moon discussion videos), however it does toss me others like one I'm going to talk about now. It's an interesting and well put together theory about Valerie... and how she might be Bill's little sister:

Original Video

Theory summary:
1. We know Valerie is from Johto and due to her heavy kimono theme probably has a connection with the Kimono Girls.
2. Bill's mom was a Kimono Girl.
3. The Kimono Girls and Bill have a preference for the Eevee family, and Valerie's main Pokemon is Sylveon.
4. Some trivia you find out about Bill's little sister is that she can't wink, a handy "skill" to have if you wear contact lenses, especially big and complicated ones like Valerie wears.
5. Bill's little sister looks up to Bill who once accidentally turned himself into a Pokemon. Valerie says she always wanted to be a Pokemon, a possible obsession she may have developed when she heard about Bill's story of being turned into a Pokemon if she's indeed Bill's little sister?

Okay, the last one is a bit of a stretch, though the others fit. She would also probably be around Valerie's age (a young adult). There's also other stuff like connecting her to Ecruteak City and how she can't be a full Kimono Girl since she also had a modeling career, but that's besides the point.

So, what do you think? A theory grasping at straws or maybe GF taking a rather obscure character and making them into someone important.

Maybe she's/going to be the next edition to the kimono girls

 

[Camara]

I really like the Kanto war where are the adult males conspiracy thing. Specially with LT Surge's comments.

 

[The_Emperor]

I really like the Kanto war where are the adult males conspiracy thing. Specially with LT Surge's comments.

Makes me wonder if there's a ground type gym leader out there that would be on the opposite side.
What I do t get about Lt Surge is how he is called the 'lightning American' if Kanto is based on part of Japan and Unova is based upon America as America obviously doesn't exist in Pokemon...

 

[DHR-107]

Maybe she's/going to be the next edition to the kimono girls

I think it's heavily implied she was a Kimono Girl from Johto from some of her dialogue and from other NPC's.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Makes me wonder if there's a ground type gym leader out there that would be on the opposite side.
What I do t get about Lt Surge is how he is called the 'lightning American' if Kanto is based on part of Japan and Unova is based upon America as America obviously doesn't exist in Pokemon...

In B2W2 there's someone who says its rumored Lt. Surge is from Unova. Also Unova is just one region, maybe the whole country is called "America" (probably not, but still when someone is from another country you don't refer to them the state/region they live in but the country they're from). Still, if they ever say the name of the country the Unova is located on they probably should retitle Lt. Surge (though I guess they could also call him "The Lightning Unovian").

 

[The_Emperor]

In B2W2 there's someone who says its rumored Lt. Surge is from Unova. Also Unova is just one region, maybe the whole country is called "America" (probably not, but still when someone is from another country you don't refer to them the state/region they live in but the country they're from). Still, if they ever say the name of the country the Unova is located on they probably should retitle Lt. Surge (though I guess they could also call him "The Lightning Unovian").

Does Unova represent the whole of the USA or just one state?

 

[Pikachu315111]

Does Unova represent the whole of the USA or just one state?

If region size is the same proportion as our world than it would only be New York City (mainly Manhattan) and parts of eastern New Jersey. However it takes landmarks from all over the New York State so while geographically only a part of New York at the same time is also a sort of compression of New York as a culture.

 

[stage7_4]

Does Unova represent the whole of the USA or just one state?

To answer questions with questions, does New York State have a desert?

500 words, single spaced, 12 pt size, Times New Roman. Have it on my desk by next Friday.

 

[Pikachu315111]

To answer questions with questions, does New York State have a desert?

500 words, single spaced, 12 pt size, Times New Roman. Have it on my desk by next Friday.

No, but there's a bit of unfortunate implications of the placement of Route 4/Desert Resort/Relic Castle.

Unfortunate Implication

Castelia City is based on Lower Manhattan and Nimbasa City is based on Midtown Manhattan. Route 4, a desolate desert area, is between them. Guess what famous New York landmark also was located around that same area: The World Trade Center (the two main buildings being the Twin Towers). AND let's not forget what remains of Relic Castle (at least on the surface) are two bases:

(Relic Castle in Spanish is "Castillo Ancestral". And yes, this was the only map I could find to show what I'm talking about).

Also Relic Castle was the home of the twin princes.

 

[stage7_4]

No, but there's a bit of unfortunate implications of the placement of Route 4/Desert Resort/Relic Castle.

Unfortunate Implication

Castelia City is based on Lower Manhattan and Nimbasa City is based on Midtown Manhattan. Route 4, a desolate desert area, is between them. Guess what famous New York landmark also was located around that same area: The World Trade Center (the two main buildings being the Twin Towers). AND let's not forget what remains of Relic Castle (at least on the surface) are two bases:

(Relic Castle in Spanish is "Castillo Ancestral". And yes, this was the only map I could find to show what I'm talking about).

Also Relic Castle was the home of the twin princes.

I thought Nimbasa was based more on Brooklyn due to the amusement park being a parallel of Coney Island. But having never ever been to New York I can't really say for sure.

Then again these are inspired by and not direct representations of said cities, so I think this theory is more coincidental than implied. Or at least, I certainly hope so.

 

[The_Emperor]

No, but there's a bit of unfortunate implications of the placement of Route 4/Desert Resort/Relic Castle.

Unfortunate Implication

Castelia City is based on Lower Manhattan and Nimbasa City is based on Midtown Manhattan. Route 4, a desolate desert area, is between them. Guess what famous New York landmark also was located around that same area: The World Trade Center (the two main buildings being the Twin Towers). AND let's not forget what remains of Relic Castle (at least on the surface) are two bases:

(Relic Castle in Spanish is "Castillo Ancestral". And yes, this was the only map I could find to show what I'm talking about).

Also Relic Castle was the home of the twin princes.

I thought the two towers in Ecruteak city were a reference to them?

 

[Pikachu315111]

I thought the two towers in Ecruteak city were a reference to them?

The towers in Ecruteak City are based on two temples in Kyoto, the city which Ecruteak City is based on. Burned/Brass Tower is based on Kinkaku-ji, a temple covered in gold leaf and atop it sits a phoenix statue which was set on fire but since rebuilt (yet its the one dedicated to Lugia). Bell/Tin Tower is based on Ginkaku, a temple which was originally planned to be covered in silver foil (though it was never done) and atop it sits a bird statue (yet its the one dedicated to Ho-Oh... I think GF mixed something up somewhere).

And if you ever wanted to look up the Pokemon world relation to the real world, Bulbapedia has a page for that.

 

[Codraroll]

I thought the two towers in Ecruteak city were a reference to them?

You mean the towers in the games which were released in 1999 in Japan and 2000 in the US?

 

[Darth Manaphy]

You mean the towers in the games which were released in 1999 in Japan and 2000 in the US?

To be fair, the Twin Towers were around since the 70s and one of them actually had an earlier terrorist attack in the early 90s. But it didn't do much since it was a carbomb in the basement.

 

[WaffleTitan]

I don't recall this mystery being covered yet, so does anybody have an explanation for the ridiculous amount of similarities between Wally and Wallace from the hoenn region? I mean, they both have green hair, wear primarily white, with some purple (depends on the game), and have the same name (Wally is generally short for Wallace). Wally could easily be Wallace at an earlier age or a close relative, however I don't recall any ingame info on whether or not they are connected. Their only major difference is Pokemon preference and personality- with Wally being a bit more withdrawn and Wallace more flamboyant. I don't know how two characters could have virtually the same base design and name and not be at all related.

Although they do not have exactly the same color palette, I think they are too similar to pass up. I would almost add N too, but he is not from the hoenn region so his similarities are not as noticeable (once again; green hair, white clothing). Green hair is not a normal, natural, common thing, so with three major characters in pokemkn having it, I would think there may be some connection.

Also, apologies for not properly attaching an image comparison, my phone is jank right now. I'll try to add one later if I can. Emerald Wallace and ORAS Wally seem to bear the most similarities.

 

[Pikachu315111]

I don't recall this mystery being covered yet, so does anybody have an explanation for the ridiculous amount of similarities between Wally and Wallace from the hoenn region? I mean, they both have green hair, wear primarily white, with some purple (depends on the game), and have the same name (Wally is generally short for Wallace). Wally could easily be Wallace at an earlier age or a close relative, however I don't recall any ingame info on whether or not they are connected. Their only major difference is Pokemon preference and personality- with Wally being a bit more withdrawn and Wallace more flamboyant. I don't know how two characters could have virtually the same base design and name and not be at all related.

Although they do not have exactly the same color palette, I think they are too similar to pass up. I would almost add N too, but he is not from the hoenn region so his similarities are not as noticeable (once again; green hair, white clothing). Green hair is not a normal, natural, common thing, so with three major characters in pokemkn having it, I would think there may be some connection.

Also, apologies for not properly attaching an image comparison, my phone is jank right now. I'll try to add one later if I can. Emerald Wallace and ORAS Wally seem to bear the most similarities.

I'll say a lot of that is just coincidence.
First their hair are completely two different shades of green. Wally is what you could all green but Wallace is more turquoise to match him being a Water-type Gym Leader.
Don't see how them wearing white makes them related. Also their style of clothes are completely different.
That's only in the English version, in the Japanese version their name is Mikuri (Wallace's Japanese name) and Mitsuru (Wally's). And before you say they sound the same they have different meanings. Mikuri is the Japanese name of a species of plant that grows around water, Sparganium erectum, as well as containing the Japanese words for beauty (mi), sea (umi), and/or water (mizu). Mitsuru meanwhile contains "tsuru" which, depending what Japanese language you use, can mean "vine" (a usually green plant) or "crane", possibly a reference to the Japanese act of folding one thousand origami cranes so one can be granted a wish.

In my conclusion they aren't related. Further proof comes from Wallace family all having different appearances (admittedly that's due to them using typical trainer class sprites, in the manga they do have his cousin Wanda looking similar to him) and in ORAS we meet a relative of Wallace, Lisia, who does resemble her uncle in hair and clothing style (her name in Japanese also references Sootopolis City).

 

[Norne]

Most likely a case of author induced myopia in wich they just like a design so much they forget they have a similar one, just look at fire emblem, outside of the mandatory 8 and the trio several characters tend to overlap but aren't related at all.

 

[The_Emperor]

I don't recall this mystery being covered yet, so does anybody have an explanation for the ridiculous amount of similarities between Wally and Wallace from the hoenn region? I mean, they both have green hair, wear primarily white, with some purple (depends on the game), and have the same name (Wally is generally short for Wallace). Wally could easily be Wallace at an earlier age or a close relative, however I don't recall any ingame info on whether or not they are connected. Their only major difference is Pokemon preference and personality- with Wally being a bit more withdrawn and Wallace more flamboyant. I don't know how two characters could have virtually the same base design and name and not be at all related.

Although they do not have exactly the same color palette, I think they are too similar to pass up. I would almost add N too, but he is not from the hoenn region so his similarities are not as noticeable (once again; green hair, white clothing). Green hair is not a normal, natural, common thing, so with three major characters in pokemkn having it, I would think there may be some connection.

Also, apologies for not properly attaching an image comparison, my phone is jank right now. I'll try to add one later if I can. Emerald Wallace and ORAS Wally seem to bear the most similarities.

Wally and Wallace's hair is green? Never knew that! Was Wally's always green? Seriously?

 

[WaffleTitan]

I'll say a lot of that is just coincidence.
First their hair are completely two different shades of green. Wally is what you could all green but Wallace is more turquoise to match him being a Water-type Gym Leader.
Don't see how them wearing white makes them related. Also their style of clothes are completely different.
That's only in the English version, in the Japanese version their name is Mikuri (Wallace's Japanese name) and Mitsuru (Wally's). And before you say they sound the same they have different meanings. Mikuri is the Japanese name of a species of plant that grows around water, Sparganium erectum, as well as containing the Japanese words for beauty (mi), sea (umi), and/or water (mizu). Mitsuru meanwhile contains "tsuru" which, depending what Japanese language you use, can mean "vine" (a usually green plant) or "crane", possibly a reference to the Japanese act of folding one thousand origami cranes so one can be granted a wish.

In my conclusion they aren't related. Further proof comes from Wallace family all having different appearances (admittedly that's due to them using typical trainer class sprites, in the manga they do have his cousin Wanda looking similar to him) and in ORAS we meet a relative of Wallace, Lisia, who does resemble her uncle in hair and clothing style (her name in Japanese also references Sootopolis City).

Although, like you said, there are a lot of small differences, I still feel like they are too similar in my eyes for there not to be some underlying connection. That said I don't know what it could be. If they did not have the same name in the English version I would not be so suspicious, but why name two major characters in the same game the same name? I don't see how that could just be an oversight. They could have easily made one of their names "William" if they had wanted to go for an elegant sounding W name.

 

[Pikachu315111]

Although, like you said, there are a lot of small differences, I still feel like they are too similar in my eyes for there not to be some underlying connection. That said I don't know what it could be. If they did not have the same name in the English version I would not be so suspicious, but why name two major characters in the same game the same name? I don't see how that could just be an oversight. They could have easily made one of their names "William" if they had wanted to go for an elegant sounding W name.

I have to admit the English names are a bit odd, for both of them. Bulbapedia says Wallace's name probably comes from just Water, though I could probably have made names that sound more like it like "Walter" or "Waller". Speaking of Walter, it and Wallace could have the nickname of Wally. However I could maybe see Wally being picked for being similar to or a combination of weak, frail, and maybe even wail.

Looking behind the meaning of the names "Wallace" means foreigner... which doesn't make sense for either of them (though makes sense for the player character who moved to Hoenn from Johto). I guess you could say Sootopolis is like its own culture but they're still part of Hoenn. "Walter" means a ruler of an army, which I guess you can relate to Wally as much as him being a trainer who eventually becomes your main rival. Still, these are loose connections at best.

As for the English names being similar, it's just coincidence. Whenever you want to make any connections or analysis in Pokemon on names it's the Japanese version of the names which what matters. If there was meant to be anything regarding the names it'll be seen in the Japanese version. The English names do try, but the English names are more focused on making the names rememberable. If you see a similarity in the English version but it's not present in the Japanese, it's just coincidence.

For example, Koga & Janine's Japanese names are Kyo & Anzu. When read in Japanese can both mean "Apricot" (and Koga & Janine or father & daughter).
Another is Agatha & Bertha. Not only are their names similar in English BUT ALSO in Japanese: Kikuko & Kikuno (both contain the Japanese word for chrysanthemum, "kiku").

 

[EJ190]

Less of a conspiracy/mystery and more of a speculation:
What if the baby that all Kangaskhan carry around is not an actual Pokémon, but in fact, a Substitute they create because they want kids?
That would explain why a caught Kangaskhan has a baby in it's pouch and why the "baby" gets the Mega boost.

 

[The_Emperor]

Less of a conspiracy/mystery and more of a speculation:
What if the baby that all Kangaskhan carry around is not an actual Pokémon, but in fact, a Substitute they create because they want kids?
That would explain why a caught Kangaskhan has a baby in it's pouch and why the "baby" gets the Mega boost.

Well the substitute does look like a baby Kanghaskan. It does make me wonder where the male ones are hiding.