Also, his post seems to be forgetting that the first champion was a complete bag of dicks and we saw him being a complete bag of dicks throughout our entire journey
Which I liked
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Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)
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Which I liked
True, I did overlook that fact and you're right. Maybe I should be more general with wanting the Champion to just having an important role in the story. My points still stands, but you can add onto what I said with having the Champion maybe being some antagonistic character who had to face as an obstacle throughout the story (though so far only Blue had been like that).
Would be interesting to have a villain leader be the Champion, I mean we've had a Gym Leader and now Elite Four member as part of an evil team. Would make bringing them back in future games difficult if they don't do a heel-face turn but then again we got Giovanni back for the PWT and Malva is still part of the Elite Four and doesn't feel sorry for being part of a genocidal group. Pokemon, fun for the whole family!
But let me ask you this question: What would you rather have as a Champion?
A: A random character that either appeared at the end to be the Champion or a few times through the story but did nothing noteworthy.
B: A character you've seen throughout the story and has played a major part in it showing themselves to be a capable person and trainer?
A. Without a doubt.
No seriously, having a bunch of dudes doing peep talk about stuff ruining speed runs just for the sake of being deep is annoying, Barry and Hugh get a free pass since it is delivered in very little remarks that barely last more than 60 seconds.
But having to listen to endless yapping about legends or why this guy is a Gary Stu gets old fast...
Picture Alder in BW vs DPPt Cynthia, especially Pt Cynthia ascended meme... Alder was handled decently and included rival battles along it, a quick distraction, a moment of tension and then post N you fight him. Quick and done!
But we are going into freaking wish list now...this is getting dangerously close into closed thread territory.
No seriously, having a bunch of dudes doing peep talk about stuff ruining speed runs just for the sake of being deep is annoying, Barry and Hugh get a free pass since it is delivered in very little remarks that barely last more than 60 seconds.
But having to listen to endless yapping about legends or why this guy is a Gary Stu gets old fast...
Picture Alder in BW vs DPPt Cynthia, especially Pt Cynthia ascended meme... Alder was handled decently and included rival battles along it, a quick distraction, a moment of tension and then post N you fight him. Quick and done!
But we are going into freaking wish list now...this is getting dangerously close into closed thread territory.
Honestly I'd want a mixture as champions like Diantha were done horribly but at the same time Alder was kind of well made. I don't want the champ to be over saturated in the game and I honestly think Steven was a bit cooler in R/S than in the remakes. So, a mix.
Alder is an example of B.
I also prefer my Champions involvement to be quick like Blue, Lance, and Alder. Cynthia and Steven going on about their philosophy's is boring, is slows down the pace. But at the same time I do want some substance and not like Diantha who is pretty much "I'm here, you seem special, bye". Blue would come in, be a jerk, battle you, be a jerk, and leave. Lance met us at Lake Rage, told us what was up, helped us into the base, and we did what we needed to do with very little discussion. Alder often would give quick bits of wisdom, would give us a quick challenge, and when it came down to be serious he left without much discussion to face N.
There is a fine balance which is maybe where we're miscommunicating. I don't the Champion to show don't tell. I'm playing a game, show me the Champion is a big deal and don't just say they are by having them either go on for a few paragraphs about what they think or have them suddenly appear and say they're the toughest trainer around.
I think we should move on from this subject, it's not wishlisting but at the same time it's not about Sun & Moon. This is more for the "Little Annoyance" thread.
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There really isn't any reason for it to have Pursuit, since Yungoos will effectively trap its opponent by being able to hit something twice as hard on the switch-in.
I'm more interested on 102+stab returns doubled by stakeout. Would that be 306+lo?
Speaking of Yungoos and Pursuit, it makes me wonder if it does get it will Pursuit get boosted? I can see an easy mistake happening where Pursuit does get boosted, it all has to do with the order things are done.
If they apply the boosted attack as soon as the opponent switches out, it's very likely that Pursuit may get the Stakeout damage increase. If they apply the boost once the new opponent has switched in then Pursuit doesn't get increased.
I think they want to go with the latter though mistakes have happened before (though this could easily be avoided by just not giving it Pursuit as it goes against its Ability anyway).
If they apply the boosted attack as soon as the opponent switches out, it's very likely that Pursuit may get the Stakeout damage increase. If they apply the boost once the new opponent has switched in then Pursuit doesn't get increased.
I think they want to go with the latter though mistakes have happened before (though this could easily be avoided by just not giving it Pursuit as it goes against its Ability anyway).
Not going to argue with you Norne about Cynthia, we've already had the Platinum/Gen 4 argument a few times.
I agree that the Champion doesn't have to be noble, but the game needs to give you a reason why you should care about this character or respect them since it's implied in all the games that they are characters who matter.
Bad story-telling is saying "This person is important" without the audience actually being shown that. Good story-telling will subtlety show that the character is important.
A good battle is necessary too, but it falls flat if we don't know the significance of the battle. That's what make it feel like an achievement.
I can't comment on Gen 5 since I never played those games.
To add though, Colosseum's villains worked too because they were evil without some farfetched grandiose plan.
I agree that the Champion doesn't have to be noble, but the game needs to give you a reason why you should care about this character or respect them since it's implied in all the games that they are characters who matter.
Bad story-telling is saying "This person is important" without the audience actually being shown that. Good story-telling will subtlety show that the character is important.
A good battle is necessary too, but it falls flat if we don't know the significance of the battle. That's what make it feel like an achievement.
I can't comment on Gen 5 since I never played those games.
To add though, Colosseum's villains worked too because they were evil without some farfetched grandiose plan.
It's effective at trapping without Pursuit, but having the move means it can punish the outgoing, rather than just the incoming, opponent for trying to get past the trap, and makes prediction very problematic.
But then you miss the opportunity to hit the switch-in for much more damage.
160 BP non stab if the target switches out. 240 BP with stab if the opponent switches out.
I honestly think it will only affect the Pokémon coming in, making it 80 or 120 on Pokémon switching out, so the only thing to fear are 240 BP crunches and 306 returns on a Pokemon switching in.
Yes. But the outgoing one may be what you'd rather hit, weak to Dark, etc. It might not end up being worth using a moveslot on, but having the option clearly would make it at least slightly, and possibly significantly, more of a threat, rather than less of one.
Is it a good time to remember Xerneas is kind of god of life and Yveltal is kind of god of war? Maybe that's the connection.
Y'know, if Yungoos (and, by extension, its evolution) gets U-turn, I could see it being a really good Scarfer and momentum grabber since you can nail the switch-in for huge damage and then immediately switch to a counter. It would definitely be good in VoltTurn cores imo.
Yes, we know, we've spent the last few pages talking about it.
Yeah.....so much we took it as something that wasn't a coincidence....seriously we went way too in-depth.
Alright! So, uh, Sun and Moon.
What do you guys think Yungoos, Pikipek, and Grubbin's base stats will look like? We have some evidence from the stats shown in the E3 gameplay.
What do you guys think Yungoos, Pikipek, and Grubbin's base stats will look like? We have some evidence from the stats shown in the E3 gameplay.
You guys are all talking that Yungoos's evolution would be like top tier shit. But then I just have to point out that the BST of the Route 1 rodents just aren't good .and even with this ability, it will probably be no better than a situational Diggersby. But I would like to be proven wrong. It's just history has not been kind to Raticate, Furret, Linoone, Bibarel, and Watchog.
I have a feeling its evolution and Pikipek's would linger in a higher tier than it should have like Cinccino and Ambipom. At least part of it due to "Shiny New Toy Syndrome"
My thoughts would be: Do you think this new ability will be exclusive to it or do you think it will make its way to other new Pokemon/Mega Evolutions?
My thoughts would be: Do you think this new ability will be exclusive to it or do you think it will make its way to other new Pokemon/Mega Evolutions?
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