Gen VII: Pokémon Sun and Moon (New info Post #5834)

[gabriel]

That logic falls apart if you treat them as new Pokemon. Game Freak has made a concerted effort to maintain trading continuity across their newest games via Pokebank. If Megas are truly treated the same as the others, then there is no reason they would prevent the players from accessing them in Sun and Moon. They also went out of their way to place Mega stones in AS/OR, so I'm highly skeptical of this reasoning.

I don't get what you mean. We can be certain that Alola won't contain every single Pokemon in existence minus legendaries and starters. This won't prevent players from getting access to said Pokemon through Pokebank. Mega Evolutions are different though in that they require a mega stone and items cannot be transferred through bank. So they can simply decide to focus on the new features and hold off on megas until the next game which would be able to then advertise itself better by providing access to something previously available, like FRLG back then.

Yes it would be a questionable choice but so was skipping Pokemon Z for a new generation. I'm not saying this is likely or intelligent just a possibility with a precedent given the lack of information about megas and the fact that the new bracelet doesn't have a clear spot for a key stone. Personally, I'm all for megas and new megas even, as stated in my last post.

 

[Lady Vader]

I don't get what you mean. We can be certain that Alola won't contain every single Pokemon in existence minus legendaries and starters. This won't prevent players from getting access to said Pokemon through Pokebank. Mega Evolutions are different though in that they require a mega stone and items cannot be transferred through bank. So they can simply decide to focus on the new features and hold off on megas until the next game which would be able to then advertise itself better by providing access to something previously available, like FRLG back then.

Yes it would be a questionable choice but so was skipping Pokemon Z for a new generation. I'm not saying this is likely or intelligent just a possibility with a precedent given the lack of information about megas and the fact that the new bracelet doesn't have a clear spot for a key stone. Personally, I'm all for megas and new megas even, as stated in my last post.

There are some advantages of skipping Z/X2Y2. New Pokémon being the number one advantage. Not incorporating Mega Evolution in Sun and Moon is something completely different. Game Freak should know how much everyone is speculating on new Mega Evolutions (and have been doing so since X and Y) and it would be foolish not to use that to build hype.
Just because we haven't seen any Megas doesn't mean we won't at all.

EDIT: The moment you realize that this is the Pokémon equivalent to "Luke is Kylo Ren".

 

[Kurona]

There's no reason to believe they'll remove Megas at all. It's about as far left-field as suggesting they'll suddenly remove Berries or Hidden Abilities. Where is this coming from?

 

[Oddish.]

Considering how popular the megas have become, I have a hard time believing they wouldn't continue building on that concept. I'd say just wait it out a little while longer. At the very least, maybe there won't be any new megas, but once again, considering all the hype revolving around the game and all the new pokemon and features, why would they pass up the opportunity to create new megas?

 

[jacksoras]

If gamefreak doesn't incorporate Megas in the game at all, it would be a stupid marketing decision. The Mega's were one of the main lures in getting older generations to buy the games, and the feature added a whole new dimension to the competitive scene which undoubtedly made it more enjoyable, although Mega Evolutions did create a rather overwhelming power creep in the competitive scene. Regardless of the flaws of the 'Mega Pokemon' concept, the hype that they built and the large fanbase they lured would make it down right stupid for game freak to sack the concept only one generation later.

 

[JES]

Their Facebook post works

CoroCoro has leaked and has revealed two brand new Pokemon. The bear is Normal/Fighting while the ghost is Ghost/Fairy. What are your thoughts? Details @ http://www.serebii.net/

I'm not amazed with or hate Kiteruguma. In fact, I have no feeling for him at all. I feel completely neutral. Hope he evolves into something that has a more accurate bear anatomy like Bearctic, though I doubt it, since he looks like he's supposed to be a living teddy bear.

The Ghost/Fairy has a lazy design IMO. I'm always looking forwards to new designs, and we get a rehashed Pikachu?! But it is mentioned this is not Mimicyu's true form, and that it is dangerous to remove the Pikachu cloth they wear. I'm hoping something creative is done with Mimicyu's design, and not only can he wear different dolls, but that his true form can be revealed, giving him access to different abilities, moves, or stats, a lot like Rotom. If not, I'll be really disappointed.

 

[Pidge G.]

The Ghost/Fairy has a lazy design IMO. I'm always looking forwards to new designs, and we get a rehashed Pikachu?! But it is mentioned this is not Mimicyu's true form, and that it is dangerous to remove the Pikachu cloth they wear. I'm hoping something creative is done with Mimicyu's design, and not only can he wear different dolls, but that his true form can be revealed, giving him access to different abilities, moves, or stats, a lot like Rotom. If not, I'll be really disappointed.

Yeah, I feel as if they could've used a different pokemon or done a few different variants like Vivillon or even (while less preferable, by my own standards) like how rotom changes forms. Or buying poketoys/sheets for it could be cool, too.

 

[Gabe]

There's no reason to believe they'll remove Megas at all. It's about as far left-field as suggesting they'll suddenly remove Berries or Hidden Abilities. Where is this coming from?

From a deep, dark place called wishful thinking.

Anyway, in regards to riding Pokemon. I wonder if could switch between walking or riding Pokemon in places like towns or clear routes the same way you can with a bike. Some of that terrain doesn't look terribly perilous.

 

[Siggu]

While there is no sensible reason to get rid of Megas, it's not impossible - remember that ORAS introduced a multiverse to the series, Gen I-V, which never discovered Mega Evolutions, and XY-ORAS.

 

[Sirya]

Megas are a base of the franchise right now, the same as abilities, natures, or the possibility of equip items. It's impossible for them to dissapear.

 

[CTNC]

Megas are a base of the franchise right now, the same as abilities, natures, or the possibility of equip items. It's impossible for them to dissapear.

This.

Talking about the wishful thinking of The Megas getting removed is annoying because it's so obviously wishful thinking. Does it really take Just 24 Hours from reveal to make something old enough news that it's worth talking about something that's not going to happen over the Wanna-Be-PikaClone? (I love that thing. I never thought I would fall in love with a bed sheet ghost or a PikaClone. <3)

 

[Lady Vader]

This.

Talking about the wishful thinking of The Megas getting removed is annoying because it's so obviously wishful thinking. Does it really take Just 24 Hours from reveal to make something old enough news that it's worth talking about something that's not going to happen over the Wanna-Be-PikaClone? (I love that thing. I never thought I would fall in love with a bed sheet ghost or a PikaClone. <3)

I know! They did such a great job on Pikaboo. If Generation VII keeps this up, it will become my favorite generation for Pokémon designs.

EDIT: 1,700th post!!!!!

 

[Celticpride]

Playing devil's advocate with regard to removing Megas, they did remove Gems after BW, primarily because they didn't like their effect on VGC or something like that. Of course gems weren't a major marketing thing (imagine the hype from like Mega Dragonite lol) which makes it extremely unlikely Mega stones will be removed. But removing a whole set of items has happened before.

 

[Kurona]

Playing devil's advocate with regard to removing Megas, they did remove Gems after BW, primarily because they didn't like their effect on VGC or something like that. Of course gems weren't a major marketing thing (imagine the hype from like Mega Dragonite lol) which makes it extremely unlikely Mega stones will be removed. But removing a whole set of items has happened before.

Perhaps, but those items themselves weren't removed from the actual game - they simply weren't available in any form. It's certainly possible they were meant to be distributed at some point later - perhaps even through just the main game of ORAS or a possible Z/XY2 - but this never occurred.
Mega Stones are a completely different scenario, and not from just a marketing standpoint. They are by definition completely different Pokémon. And items as well as events that enable Pokémon to go to different forms such as Deoxys and Giratina have never been absent from a game since their debut; the closest that's ever happened is the Griseous Orb not being available in HGSS through normal gameplay coupled with the inability to trade it from Platinum. But even then that was later given out as an event... and given that there aren't even areas in HGSS to evolve Magneton, Leafeon and Glaceon (despite there being very obvious very easy places to do so in the Kanto aftergame), HGSS is most certainly an exception rather than the rule.

And yet again, even if it were the case that Megas were removed from the game - or, perhaps, simply not available by relegating the Mega Stones to a later game in the generation - there is absolutely no reason to discuss it. There has been no information or any reason to prompt or believe this period; we might as well start discussing the possibility of Yellow/HGSS-style following Pokémon coming back. It falls under wishlisting imo even though it's not the most common kind we get.

 

[EsurioXY]

So it makes no sense that they dropped precisely these Pokemon in the first games of Generation 3 4 and 5, right? True, you could just transfer them from past games in generation 4 and 5, but what about gen 3?

A combination of technological limitations and realizing they could re-release the older games on the updated engine.

Now, is Pikaboo really this gen's Pika clone? Togedemaru is clearly the pika-clone.

So can anyone fill in the 'fifth move' and super moves shtick?

 

[Meta-Kraid]

Why is removing Megas such a popular idea? It didn't happen in ORAS like some people thought, and it won't happen in Alola. Mega stones are more than items. They're ways to access a different set of Pokemon. Honestly nobody liked gems anyway. They made certain threats harder to wall than they should have been (imagine Talonflame with Flying Gem) with the only cost of a one time use, but it wasn't that bad of a drawback. The item let a Pokemon punch a huge hole in the opposing team, and in the case of Flying types and Unburden users, they benefitted from having no item. Not to mention how in the current meta, the Pokemon would become a Knock Off absorber. The gems as a concept were broken. Mega Stones aren't broken as a concept. Who's to say that Megas can't have their stats moved around? Heck, ability changes are very common, and most Megas were broken by their ability (see pretty much every single Mega ban). Past features have been removed before, yes, but none were this major. Poke Athelon was not only hard to recreate but had mixed reception. Contests existed in one way or another until XY and were brought back in ORAS, and they always (well besides Musicals) had awesome reception. Walking Pokemon would be very hard to recreate and still is since realistic model sizes would be a pain (clipping looks a heck of a lot worse in 3D than in 2D). Clothing and the Battle Frontier were removed in ORAS, BUT this had major backlash. Nintendo certainly won't repeat that mistake. The only reason they removed those features was because they wanted to keep Brendan and May iconic and they thought nobody liked the battle frontier. Even removing certain PokeBalls had had a huge backlash. So why have mechanics been removed? Hard to implement (Megas are nowhere near to walking Pokemon on the scale of implementation), hated or at least thought to be hated (lol not even GameFreak is disconnected enough from its fanbase to believe something this insane), completely unfixable (see above), and iconic to a certain region (yeah nobody likes region locked mechanics. This was a decent argument during ORAS speculation, but then 20/22 Megas were added... Only to Hoenn. Yeah sorry Mega Evolution isn't region exclusive). The only possible argument is that there's another timeline, and sadly, this timeline probably only takes place in the previous games. We're never going to revisit it except for possibly a spinoff. Mega Evolution is easily the best marketing item that GameFreak has ever thought of other than Pokemon Go. Megas aren't going anywhere unless the entire fanbase (including the nine year olds) threatens to boycott the game until their removal.

 

[ssjjynx]

Where did all this 'super move' and 'fifth move' stuff come from? As far as I can tell, the trailer that came yesterday didn't at any point show a move that we haven't seen before, nor did we see anything that we don't recognize, besides the routes. Or is the 'super move' and 'fifth move' stuff just speculation???

 

[Kurona]

Where did all this 'super move' and 'fifth move' stuff come from? As far as I can tell, the trailer that came yesterday didn't at any point show a move that we haven't seen before, nor did we see anything that we don't recognize, besides the routes. Or is the 'super move' and 'fifth move' stuff just speculation???

It's very much in consideration, considering the trainer is seen to do something in particular right before Pikachu fires off a powerful-looking move. It's not even something that was glossed over or a blink-and-you'll-miss-it thing; it was very much in the spotlight. We don't know too much, but extrapolating the idea of a move that's in a fifth slot and/or is finishing move-esque is most certainly not out of nowhere.

 

[Meta-Kraid]

There's also the fact that Zygarde Complete gets Core Enforcer seemingly out of nowhere. The only realistic explanations are that it works similar to HyperSpace Fury or that Land's Wrath turns into Core Enforcer.
EDIT: Oh yeah a fifth move is obviously also the third option.

 

[BandedBlissey]

Based on its design and gimmicky-sounding ability, I feel like Mimicyu is not going to evolve. I wonder if the Pikachu outfit will bring Electric moves with it; I can see it learning Thunderbolt and Nuzzle.
As for the super moves, one way I can see it being done is that each diamond has an specific move, that can be used by one or more Pokémon or evolutive families. That way, you could only have one super move per battle and have physical, special or even status super moves of any type. Limited amount of uses or special activation conditions may apply. Anyway, just specilation based on the very few information we have.

 

[Kurona]

Based on its design and gimmicky-sounding ability, I feel like Mimicyu is not going to evolve. I wonder if the Pikachu outfit will bring Electric moves with it; I can see it learning Thunderbolt and Nuzzle.
As for the super moves, one way I can see it being done is that each diamond has an specific move, that can be used by one or more Pokémon or evolutive families. That way, you could only have one super move per battle and have physical, special or even status super moves of any type. Limited amount of uses or special activation conditions may apply. Anyway, just specilation based on the very few information we have.

What diamonds?

 

[Zowayix]

The ones visible in the Asian-language Sun/Moon logos, apparently worn on the wrist in at least one piece of Trainer artwork, and briefly visible at the end of the trailer along with the "super moves" and accompanied by type emblems.

 

[Lady Vader]

What diamonds?

 

[Pikachu315111]

We don't know anything about how the mechanics of the super move works yet. All we know is the execution: trainer activates, trainer poses according to type, energy goes to Pokemon, Pokemon performs super move. I could give you a dozen possible ideas of what the mechanics could be but that means jack and even if I get it right it'll be from having suggested so many ideas.

All I'm willing to guess now is that there probably will be multiple diamonds, seemingly all type based (and hopefully one for each type). And for Pikachu it did a super Thunderbolt, Rowlet a rainbow leaf explosion, Litten a giant fire ball, and Popplio a super Whirlpool. Are these specific to those Pokemon or can other Pokemon of those types do them? Will there maybe be multiple diamond for each type or different kind of super moves (like Special and Physical)? We'll just have to wait till their ready to talk about it, though considering how heavily they advertised it in this trailer I have a feeling that'll be next announcement.

 

[floating passage]

We don't know anything about how the mechanics of the super move works yet. All we know is the execution: trainer activates, trainer poses according to type, energy goes to Pokemon, Pokemon performs super move. I could give you a dozen possible ideas of what the mechanics could be but that means jack and even if I get it right it'll be from having suggested so many ideas.

All I'm willing to guess now is that there probably will be multiple diamonds, seemingly all type based (and hopefully one for each type). And for Pikachu it did a super Thunderbolt, Rowlet a rainbow leaf explosion, Litten a giant fire ball, and Popplio a super Whirlpool. Are these specific to those Pokemon or can other Pokemon of those types do them? Will there maybe be multiple diamond for each type or different kind of super moves (like Special and Physical)? We'll just have to wait till their ready to talk about it, though considering how heavily they advertised it in this trailer I have a feeling that'll be next announcement.

Again though, when you look closely there is no diamond being used with the supposed "super moves". A trail does follow the bracelet but no diamond there.

Strangely enough I don't know that i can remember really seeing the bracelets diamonds in gameplay either. Like even the trainer just bearing it in battle. Maybe it's just me though

EDIT: Whoops, said the wrong word there. Bracelets are seen in gameplay, but I can't remember seeing the diamonds.