A few new things in this trailer. Crabrawler is at the very least a nice design, perhaps not the most interesting one - at least IMO - but it's out there and well done. Water Compaction, while thematically very fitting doesn't seem like the most useful thing ever, at least not without an artificial resistance. The prevo is pretty cute when animated however, the line has gained at least one more fan here. Lastly, the little tag on nuikoguma is a fun little addition that I didn't expect but makes sense.
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Gen VII: Pokemon Sun and Moon Discussion MKII
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A few new things in this trailer. Crabrawler is at the very least a nice design, perhaps not the most interesting one - at least IMO - but it's out there and well done. Water Compaction, while thematically very fitting doesn't seem like the most useful thing ever, at least not without an artificial resistance. The prevo is pretty cute when animated however, the line has gained at least one more fan here. Lastly, the little tag on nuikoguma is a fun little addition that I didn't expect but makes sense.
The eye is hilarious.
It could have decent Defense too. That's one of Kingler's best stats.
BTW, was Crabrawler using Mach Punch in its trailer video?
Movepool is really key to how it will play and we don't know much.
I hope I'm not going afoul of the rules by speculating Crabrawler will have Swords Dance.
Every Pokemon that gets Hyper Cutter (Super-powerful Claws in Japanese) except Trapinch (H.A) has it and all the crustaceans have it too.
So I'm seeing Crabrawler as potentially a boosting mon with a powerful priority (Iron Fist + STAB boosted Mach Punch) like Breloom, Scizor or Crawdaunt.
BTW, here's the video I've seen mentioned in the thread.
Probably Mach Punch was used against Smeargle? People with better eyes for this stuff than I do can take a look.
Maybe it'll be given Crabhammer and Crabhammer will have its Power increased by Iron Fist (makes sense to me).
The clips showed it had Crabhammer; that's what I was commenting on.
In any case, Crabhammer isn't boosted by Iron Fist right now. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Iron_Fist_(Ability)
Maybe that'll change but as things stand, nope
Yeah, but Crabhammer is already pretty strong on its own (same as Earthquake but 10% less accu).
Stufful looks like it has a bad case of tapeworms, can't unsee it.
Yeah, I'm really not liking the designs for Stufful and Bewear.
1) We already have a bear, and the first stage is a literal teddy bear reference. A "mascot bear" is not distinct enough to differentiate itself.
2) There are lots of other mammals that live in the tropics that don't get much attention, which would have formed better bases for concepts. Sun bears, civets, binturongs, paca/capybara, and the recently-popularized red panda, not to mention some of the strange mammals of madagascar.
3) A mascot bear really doesn't fit the "tropical island" theme. Almost everything else does; I think Mimikyuu and maybe Litten are the only two besides Bewear that don't fit the setting, but their concepts are overall stronger.
4) I get the impression that Bewear's concept is a mix of "another realistic bear" and "mascot bear", and those two don't have strong synergy.
5) Stufful and Bewear both have anatomy that makes little sense. I know this is a game about bioelectric mice and magnets that suddenly spring to life, etc., but they achieve suspension of disbelief within the world. Bewear looks like it could never stand up for long because it doesn't even have feet, and Stufful looks like a degenerate designer dog breed. The mouth doesn't even make sense if you look the video at the top of the page; it would have to have the anatomy of a leech or lamprey teeth to eat anything.
1) We already have a bear, and the first stage is a literal teddy bear reference. A "mascot bear" is not distinct enough to differentiate itself.
2) There are lots of other mammals that live in the tropics that don't get much attention, which would have formed better bases for concepts. Sun bears, civets, binturongs, paca/capybara, and the recently-popularized red panda, not to mention some of the strange mammals of madagascar.
3) A mascot bear really doesn't fit the "tropical island" theme. Almost everything else does; I think Mimikyuu and maybe Litten are the only two besides Bewear that don't fit the setting, but their concepts are overall stronger.
4) I get the impression that Bewear's concept is a mix of "another realistic bear" and "mascot bear", and those two don't have strong synergy.
5) Stufful and Bewear both have anatomy that makes little sense. I know this is a game about bioelectric mice and magnets that suddenly spring to life, etc., but they achieve suspension of disbelief within the world. Bewear looks like it could never stand up for long because it doesn't even have feet, and Stufful looks like a degenerate designer dog breed. The mouth doesn't even make sense if you look the video at the top of the page; it would have to have the anatomy of a leech or lamprey teeth to eat anything.
I would say Stufful looks cute.. if it doesn't have that weird mouth thing. Seriously, the mouth is something I can't understand at all. I think I'll stick to Teddiursa instead. That isn't enough to justify the abominably vacant expression of Bewear....
Punching Crab. This one looks weird again, yet also funny. I'll probably forget it soon enough, but at least he's funny enough with that hairdo thing. Also, I want to eat crab roll now. Looks like its punching pincer is something Siebold will definitely look for....
Sandgasty and Pallosand... that entry mentioning courage trial. Well, some people like to live dangerously, it seems. Too bad I can't even recall any water attacks that could be held by its ability other than Water Shuriken and Crabhammer; thing looks like only physical defense-oriented. But It's yet to be seen.
Punching Crab. This one looks weird again, yet also funny. I'll probably forget it soon enough, but at least he's funny enough with that hairdo thing. Also, I want to eat crab roll now. Looks like its punching pincer is something Siebold will definitely look for....
Sandgasty and Pallosand... that entry mentioning courage trial. Well, some people like to live dangerously, it seems. Too bad I can't even recall any water attacks that could be held by its ability other than Water Shuriken and Crabhammer; thing looks like only physical defense-oriented. But It's yet to be seen.
They're stuffed animals. Not mascots. Their anatomy is SUPPOSED to look artificial. Compare their limbs to this:
At first I was turned off by Bewear's design since it looked so juvenile/incomplete/lazy but now that I see it's pre-evo has a tag on it's behind, it's clear that it's supposed to be akin to one of those giant stuffed animals you get at a carnival.
You're upset because it doesn't look like a realistic animal, but that obviously wasn't their goal. I know artificial Pokemon are not popular with the majority, but I always appreciate them, and I can get behind these guys now that I understand that's what they're supposed to be.
I mean if it can survive one hit and recover, subsequent hits will only make matters worse.
Only problem IMO is that most Water attacks are special. If there were more physical Water attackers it'd be way better.
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The problem is the physical water attackers (excluding Alolamola) are all setup sweepers and invested into attack. Gyarados will have no problem even 2HKOing a base 130 defense mon unless heavily invested. It's just a bad ability, unless the ability might have also reduced the attack of the water move significantly, I mean, the name kind of implies it.
Or unless it also activates on targeted Water-type support moves. Of which there's Soak... and anything else?
Water-Type Status moves according to Pokemon Database:
Soak (Single Target)
Withdraw (User)
Water Sport (Entire Field)
Aqua Ring (User)
Rain Dance (Entire Field)
So basically, if you'd like to make a gimmicky VGC team based around Water Compaction, then Soak is your only bet. But this strategy would still be terrible, because using Soak means causing Palossand to lose its Ground/Ghost typing, which is kind of shitty because it's a great combination both defensively and offensively. In this case you're probably better off using Jellicent, because it has a better ability, most likely a better movepool (something that a lot of Ground-Types seem to lack), and in my opinion, a better typing. Of course, this is all just speculative, but I never held this Pokemon in high regards anyways.
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I was actually talking about Crabrawler, lol. At least it doesn't look as ugly as Turtonator, though I'm not sure how much of a compliment that is.
They are red pandas. I mean they're pink, but they are red pandas. Hence the color pattern.
It sharply increases defenses. That's like removing a Swords Dance. It'd have to set up an unrealistic number of times (since Gyra only learns D.Dance) to 2HKO it if it had 140 defense. (My example was referring to if it recovered the same turn that it were attacked.) There's a lot of "ifs" since we don't know its movepool/stats.
IMO it's weakness is that it's typing fears special attackers and its ability isn't helping it from those.
Gyarados is not exactly the best example as it can Mega and use Crunch...
Thing is, IIRC, when it comes to physically-oriented Water-types, only Poliwrath (lol), Floatzel (Bigger lol) and (Mega) Swampert lack a real way to get past a Ghost/Ground-type - Feraligatr has Sheer Force Crunch, Mega Gyarados gets STAB on Crunch...
I'll put my thoughts on Water Compaction here. I will admit that the lack of a water immunity is disappointing, but Pallosand may make up for it in stats. I can imagine it having a def stat that, while decent enough that it could be tough to take down with a boost, is not ideal for something that tanky. Combine this with a high sp.def and it could possibly take a hit from a special water attack, survive with a good amound of HP left, and get the defense boost. Of course even with stats that let it take advantage of most water attacks being special Water Compaction could still end up being an unnecessarily gimmicky piece of trash. But we'll just have to deal with that when we come to it.
Wait, do Swampert's sets often not run Ice Punch or in mixed sets Ice Beam?
I'm really liking the look of Crabrawler. On the stream, we saw footage of it smacking a lot of the common Pokemon in the official metagame, such as (regular) Kangaskhan, Landorus-T, Cresselia, Smeargle, and Ferrothorn. I'd say that this is a good indicator that it's meant to be anti-metagame; while this in itself is of course awesome, I think it's a deeper indicator that GF is starting to care about their format, which should mean a much more balanced 2017.
Water Compaction is... interesting. It sounds good in theory, but I just don't think it'll work. Unless Sandygast andPile o' Sand Pallosand have beastly HP and SDef, they're not going to be able to live most Water attacks with enough HP remaining for the Defense boost to matter. At least there's still hope that it'll get Arena Trap as an HA!
Also, the Sandcastles are, in my opinion, the creepiest Ghosts that GF has ever created. The reason is that if you read the Dex entries of the other ones, most of them talk about the terrible things that they apparently do. With Sandygast and Pallosand, presumably these incidents of it possessing people and making them bring it more sand have been seen and documented. That is, they actually happen.
Well played, Game Freak. Well played.
EDIT: Forgot to talk about Turtonator. All I'll say is this:
"BEHOLD, Perry the Platypus! The Turtonator!"
Water Compaction is... interesting. It sounds good in theory, but I just don't think it'll work. Unless Sandygast and
Also, the Sandcastles are, in my opinion, the creepiest Ghosts that GF has ever created. The reason is that if you read the Dex entries of the other ones, most of them talk about the terrible things that they apparently do. With Sandygast and Pallosand, presumably these incidents of it possessing people and making them bring it more sand have been seen and documented. That is, they actually happen.
Well played, Game Freak. Well played.
EDIT: Forgot to talk about Turtonator. All I'll say is this:
"BEHOLD, Perry the Platypus! The Turtonator!"
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New mons:
Crabrawler: Lets be honest, we're all going to catch one of these things just for the awesome Pompadour. It's Dex entry says it likes tall things, which can mean only one thing: Tall Exeggutor is a Totem Pokemon and it summons Crabrawler from its treetop. I also like that I can't tell if it has fists that are supposed to be claws or claws that are supposed to be fists.
One thing that is mildly unsettling is that usually eating Pokemon parts is considered felonious, ala SlowPokeTail. So why an official dex entry would allude to consuming parts of a Pokemon (save if Crabrawler instantly regrows claws it loses or something) seems odd.
SandyGhast/Pallosand: I talked about these after the Corocoro leaks.Still love these things, and especially love how they incorporated a hollow body element into the 3D model. I love how Pallosand's shovel is always rotating. Competitively it sounds like the only proper Water attack to switch this in on is Azumarill's Aqua Jet, but if they added a mid-power water biting move it might see more use. Need more info.
Stufful: Everything about this mons revealed info makes sense now. This mon is a living teddy bear with all the exaggerated features that comes with that. So children (and even some adults) naturally want to cuddle it but it hates being touched. This is like "Every Lonely Cubone is lonely because its mother died" level of inherent tragedy when you think about it.
Crabrawler: Lets be honest, we're all going to catch one of these things just for the awesome Pompadour. It's Dex entry says it likes tall things, which can mean only one thing: Tall Exeggutor is a Totem Pokemon and it summons Crabrawler from its treetop. I also like that I can't tell if it has fists that are supposed to be claws or claws that are supposed to be fists.
One thing that is mildly unsettling is that usually eating Pokemon parts is considered felonious, ala SlowPokeTail. So why an official dex entry would allude to consuming parts of a Pokemon (save if Crabrawler instantly regrows claws it loses or something) seems odd.
SandyGhast/Pallosand: I talked about these after the Corocoro leaks.Still love these things, and especially love how they incorporated a hollow body element into the 3D model. I love how Pallosand's shovel is always rotating. Competitively it sounds like the only proper Water attack to switch this in on is Azumarill's Aqua Jet, but if they added a mid-power water biting move it might see more use. Need more info.
Stufful: Everything about this mons revealed info makes sense now. This mon is a living teddy bear with all the exaggerated features that comes with that. So children (and even some adults) naturally want to cuddle it but it hates being touched. This is like "Every Lonely Cubone is lonely because its mother died" level of inherent tragedy when you think about it.
The Japanese are crazy for coconut crab.
I actually prefer the sand castle mons more than Vanilluxe.
At least sand castles are ghosts.
At least Klefki is fairy.
But Vanilluxe? Doesn't make any sense to me.
They are also all Flying-types (well... Mega Pinsir is).
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