NOC a nice basic game of actual mafia - game over - won by the Mafia

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shubaka17 said:
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and I can see where you're coming from on that, but when I don't really need to prove my village-ness why make an effort? also what's up with hella pressure on Whydon? I missed the beginning of it, and now it just looks forced
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Bad way to think about the game.

It is almost always a good idea to "prove your village-ness" because a. it lets people trust the opinions you hold more, b. it means you don't get lynched, c. it increases the amount of kills that mafia want to make over the course of the game, and d. it helps to create a town circle that can eventually process of eliminate out the mafia.
 
Whydon got voted because he seemed to join on a bandwagon at an odd time. King argued that Whydon should have got on that vote earlier if he actually believed in it and thinks that Whydon was being opportunistic. Other people agree with him. I'm more on the fence about it.

I'd FoS Jalmont more if I didn't like his scumreads so much.

unvote
vote Haruno
 
SomewhatOddish said:
Possibly an attempt to see how they'd react.
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Yeah sure, possibly. Maybe I'm not being very clear though.

I'm asking you the admittedly fairly hard question of trying to figure out why someone else might have a legitimate scumread on a player that you may or may not agree with. Sometimes the answer is just "this read makes no sense," which then can fuel a scumread that you could have on the player you're being asked to think from the perspective of. But I want you to try to read through Haruno and/or Empoof's posts and ask yourself the question of "why might SOMEONE scumread this person?" And then while doing that, ask yourself, "do I agree with that potential interpretation?"

Everyone in this game is going to do stuff that could be construed as scummy. I want you to try your best in explaining to me what some of those potentially scummy things that Haruno and/or Empoof have done.

If the answer is still "I don't know" after giving it a look-through, say as much and I can help you out.
 
I don't really see anyone as scum right now. Haruno's playstyle as town is usually to meme/defend when attacked, and otherwise be a good town. :\
we don't really have any sort of evidence at all
 
Aubisio said:
I don't really see anyone as scum right now. Haruno's playstyle as town is usually to meme/defend when attacked, and otherwise be a good town. :\
we don't really have any sort of evidence at all
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there are 4 mafia in this game. There are about 6 people I would characterize as fairly inactive in terms of pure post count (GoodMorningEspeon, jalmont, sandshrewz, shubaka17, thetwinmasters, tropiusisbae) and more when you start asking about those that have posted content that can actually be read.

I happen to think at least some of the mafia have to have been posting.
 
Da Letter El said:
Yeah sure, possibly. Maybe I'm not being very clear though.

I'm asking you the admittedly fairly hard question of trying to figure out why someone else might have a legitimate scumread on a player that you may or may not agree with. Sometimes the answer is just "this read makes no sense," which then can fuel a scumread that you could have on the player you're being asked to think from the perspective of. But I want you to try to read through Haruno and/or Empoof's posts and ask yourself the question of "why might SOMEONE scumread this person?" And then while doing that, ask yourself, "do I agree with that potential interpretation?"

Everyone in this game is going to do stuff that could be construed as scummy. I want you to try your best in explaining to me what some of those potentially scummy things that Haruno and/or Empoof have done.

If the answer is still "I don't know" after giving it a look-through, say as much and I can help you out.
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Tbh, there's nothing about Empoof that I find scummy at the moment. Haruno hasn't posted much, but I suppose the reaction to being lynched for the first time could be suspect, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if Jalmont said they were gonna lynch them just to see further how they'd react. In fact, aside from lynching om room, Haruno's only posts in this thread have been responses to being lynched. As for if I agree with Jalmont, I'd say no for Empoof, and I'll consider Haruno. Still, I think I need more. I've never played with Haruno before, so I'm not really sure of their playstyle.
 
SomewhatOddish said:
Tbh, there's nothing about Empoof that I find scummy at the moment. Haruno hasn't posted much, but I suppose the reaction to being lynched for the first time could be suspect, which is why I wouldn't be surprised if Jalmont said they were gonna lynch them just to see further how they'd react. In fact, aside from lynching om room, Haruno's only posts in this thread have been responses to being lynched. As for if I agree with Jalmont, I'd say no for Empoof, and I'll consider Haruno. Still, I think I need more. I've never played with Haruno before, so I'm not really sure of their playstyle.
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cool, thanks
 
Empoof said:
Just saying I'll be off to sleep and take care of business for the next 11~ hours, but feel free to ask me all the D1 questions (DAE Smogon mislynch D1)

Since we were on the topic of lying, thoughts on this article I just read and this follow up comment that puts it in more of our games context? Should our 7 VTs be leaving sudo breadcrumbs to throw off maf or would it make the game too mucky for village to understand before hard cop claims. How strong is our player bases soft claim meta? What's the potential for backfire?

I'm asking these questions also to myself, since I feel like in the past I had notoriously awful NOC play... hence the reading MU articles in my free time ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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disagree entirely mostly because there's no such thing as a guarantee inspection because it's only a partial inspection + mafia mastermind is outright immune to inspection. It's super dangerous to confirm someone as "town" when they could really be mastermind and fuck us all over see user Walrein in dead mafia. That and it'd be very hard to try and do something to confuse mafia that way since everything we do is open and it seems really risky to try and create a code that only town could understand and mafia couldn't and there's also the risk that a town might misinterpret it. I do think going for inspector:mafia 50-50 trade is in our best interests though and that seems to be our best option and we could risk a randlynch early on to hopefully glean some info.

Da Letter El said:
let me rephrase then.

in what situations can a member of town lie and it end up being a good play?
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Done it before in dbz mafia where I used a claim and lied about my town role (lied about being reviver over being invincible
King_ said:
I have a question for everyone, What do you guys think about Twin's actions so far in this game?
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standard in all honesty. He tries to do his "pressure" mechanism by voting someone and then with reckless abandon tries to get that person to reveal key info and will most likely try to get more people to bus with him and it usually works for him but it's a risky thing overall. As mafia he would do this to get a town lynched and as a town he wouldn't really care and just lynch which could often result in a myslynch. Doesn't seem worth going for till mid/late game where people's defenses are much flimsier
Da Letter El said:
Haruno do you consider yourself suspicious? Why or why not?
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Uh to someone that hasn't played NOC with me before prolly, but if you have then it's per the course. Though for some reason I always tended to get mislynched ._.

sry for late responses nigs. Was too busy playing ace attorney 6. Would recommend playing it.
 
groggy and cranky as all fuck today. Getting ready for work.

I'll be one of those players that "hasn't played with Haruno in NOC" (rip bulletproof). That OMGUS was just really bad reactions though, like hot damn.

Noticed I wasn't clarifying my reads as well as I wanted to:
haruno shubaka whydon - lean scum
King DLE are my only town reads, om room is null. DLE is VT or Mastermind but nothing else.
Everyone else is null with low post count or just empty responses (Aubiso/Jalmont). Would like Former Hope's responses to DLEs questions on page 3.
 
oh i'll put SomewhatOddish in my town circle for now because she's at least actively thinking about the game. My gut says I'll have a strong read on her D2 based on her playstyle.

Sandshrewz say something that isn't "idk what i'm doing" so you can start doing. Having n0 would have little effect on the current state of the game, especially with nerfed inspects.

where's the fucking advil
 
Initial read through makes me think DLE is probably town, maybe Mastermind. I doubt he draws this much attention to himself this early as either town power role or inspectable scum.

Whydon's vote on Jalmont was weird, but honestly he reads as noob-town. Doesn't seem to want to commit and be wrong. That being said, Jalmont's early play was weird, but that's kinda how Jalmont plays so nothing there really bothers me.

Haruno's counter-vote on Jalmont felt bad to me. Defending yourself is fine, but his reasoning for the vote felt bad.

Honestly have a scum read on Sandshrewz, he has posted a couple times and literally only said I don't know how to play in different phrasing. Feels like being active while not having to say anything at all.
 
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