Gen VII: Pokemon Sun and Moon Discussion MKII

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I get the feeling that Ultra Beasts are probably a lot like Transformers, in that they are an otherworldly species that assimilates with something it sees on earth and takes on its appearance.

Imprinting, basically. Like a child copying their parent. Could be that, for plot related reasons, UB-02 imprints on Lusamine in Moon and Gladion/(something else) in Sun. I'm not much for theories, but yeah it seems like the Ultra Beasts definitely are at least partially copying things they see.
 
CoroCoro doesn't point out anything about exclusivity with these two, right? If so, we'll be getting his typing and ability in 2 days. The extra wait seems unnecessary imo but who's complaining. We'll probably get another Alolan form to go a long with it if the past few trailer are anything to go off.

stage7_4 said:
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This Vexus, a robotic villain from a cartoon called My Life As A Teenage Robot.

First thing I thought of when I saw this:
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Oh wow, my brother was just trying to tell me this exact thing and I had no idea what he was talking about. Weird.
 
pupper!!! said:
uh loook here guy, i got a like from user siggu on the forums and siggus representative of most human beings so qed bub, why dont u go bark up another trees?
according to the internet...lol
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There, there. You're such a badass. Look how you use sarcasm in such an elegant way!

Kurona said:
Keep in mind that judging something's competitive value before the game is released is not a good idea when we don't know what the new meta will be like, especially since it's a new gen.
That said, it's design seems to imply a focus on speed with a secondary focus on an offensive stat (or both). If the new meta is anything like the current, a quick and powerful Pokémon with Rock and Dark STAB sounds very threatening.
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Of course, I'm getting ahead and I shouldn't hurry...But this new upcoming meta feels fresh (I know, we don't know anything about it yet) and above all, diverse. So I'm already looking the mons which I believe are quite interesting at least on paper.

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So, it's everything on CoroCoro that we can expect or a page can be missing still?
 
blasphemy1 said:
Give me generic (were)wolf over Garbodor / Vanilluxe / etc. Wolves are amazing animals and it's about time we receive a proper wolf Pokemon. At first I preferred the day version but the night one has grown on me. It has a lot of personality and that's what I look for most in Pokemon (but also if they're birds they're probably cool).
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Agreed.

I think some of you are dismissing Lugarugan rather quickly. I mean we don't even know their typing or abilities or even seen them in a trailer yet, lol. Take the Day form for a sec. It's a simple yet effective design, and I could not be happier with the design itself. Particularly what I find weird is the criticism that it looks generic / bland / too simple, and while I can see that, it's one thing I really like about it. Like, it could fit right in with the first 2 Gens' mons and I definitely welcome that, especially in contrast with some monstrosities we've got this Gen already like Mudsdale, the UB Expansion, Wishiwashi School form and just plain ugly mons like Gumshoos and Turtonator.
 
blasphemy1 said:
Give me generic (were)wolf over Garbodor / Vanilluxe / etc. Wolves are amazing animals and it's about time we receive a proper wolf Pokemon.
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W-wait... what did I just read.

A-anyways... I hope Jangmo-o's evolutions (Because it's too unlikely to be an standalone mon) are revealed soon. I mean, THAT is what matters.
 
Is it wishlisting if I say I hope for Rock/Normal and Rock/Ghost for the wolves?

Just because they'd be new, unique types (I think?) and immune to each other's secondary STAB. Which makes sense because, erm, night and day can't happen at the same time in the same place? Yeah, that'll do. :D

Also Type:Null for first single-stage pseudolegend. What, it said it was powerful? :D
 
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yourDeadGrandad said:
Is it wishlisting if I say I hope for-
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That's all I needed to read to say Yes. Wishlisting is basically saying what you want or what would be cool.

The idea of the Night form being Ghost instead of Dark is something that I can see. Ghost Types in later generations look more Solid than earlier generation Ghosts, which means that being Ethereal is less of a requirement if it's still a requirement at all. I wouldn't get my hopes up for a Ghost/Rock Pokemon yet because the only thing that seems to suggest Ghost over Dark for me is the eyes.

The Day form's secondary typing is much harder to guess. Your guess of Normal looks like it matches, but it doesn't make scene because Rockruff is Pure Rock. If It's not Rock/Normal, then I want to say something like Psychic as a "Light Type Equivalent", (Please do not start talking about potential new types. I don't want this thread locked.) but nothing like that looks like it matches. If it's not something like Psychic, then I want to say Pure Rock, but It looks more like part Normal, which doesn't make sense because it evolves from pure Rock, and... Well, I'm just glad that I'm not a robot that's blown up by paradoxes.
 
New info! :D so, they're version exclusives, it seems, and day form has a new Rock move!

I'm actually really hyped about them now, I can't see myself not using them. I just hope they don't go all early-game-mon on me and become useless about halfway through.

Edit: from http://serebii.net/

Edit again: Is Corocoro actually out now then, or is there still a potential for even more new info?

Edit again 2: Electric Boogaloo : reading it again, it doesn't actually say that they're version exclusives, just that it shows one in Sun and one in Moon. So hopefully I can have both on my team after all.
 
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Night Lugarugan is an abomination. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. It also got Counter, which is almost never going to be used, assuming it isn't that bulky. I can't help but think that night lugarugan got the cold shoulder here.

Day Lugarugan looks awesome and seems to get rock priority which is gonna be amazing in OU. Can potentially stop the sweep of so many setup mons like zard x, volcarona, dragonite, regular gyarados and m-pinsir.

All this version exclusive stuff is making it very hard for me to pick a version :/
 
I'm going to get moon regardless, there are always hacks an injects I can beg people to get for me, or heck I can even breed the blasted dog and ask people online if they evolve it for me after I nicknamed it and ev trained it.

This is complete shit for people that like nicknaming stuff though when they inject and have to beg for a nickname, or for people with social issues, they literally cockblocked an evolution line, and apparently the good one of the bunch.

I can already see moon pre-orders plummeting.
 
I doubt they would be version exclusive. It's not like it's never Day time in Pokemon Moon and Night time in Pokemon Sun. I guess we'll find out in tomorrow's news.
 
Mark my words, this thing is going to end up being a baby form! With a max Friendship stat based evolution! While having a gender ratio of 87.5% male! To top it of he will be only given once in the game just to spite the people that bought moon.

Hacking this thing might be the only good way of ensuring one if they pull this bullshit.
 
The text that describes Midday Rugarugan's new move, Accel Rock, is interesting (this text: http://imgur.com/a/iuZx3). The original text is:

速すぎで見えない。。。！！
必ず先制攻撃になる突進技
！まひるのすがたのルガルガンだけが覚えるぞ！

which translates to something like:

So fast, it's not visible... !!
Always rush in for a pre-emptive strike.
Only Midday Rugarugan can learn this move!

This honestly sounds like a rock-type priority move to me. We'll know in a few days, but this is pretty hype.

EDIT: Looks like Serebii changed its blurb to also say that Accel Rock is a priority move now.
 
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Retro64 said:
No where has it been out right said that Ultra Beast aren't Pokemon, but all the official information from TPCi has avoided calling them Pokemon, even saying they pose a threat to humans and Pokemon. They're also listed serperately from the new Alola Pokemon on the sun-moon site, which Serebii followed and created their own page instead of placing them with Pokemon. http://serebii.net/sunmoon/ultrabeasts.shtml
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Ungoliath said:
It was mention already, but I think the fact the site list them separately from the Pokemon is the most definite answer we need.

I really like the idea of Ultra Beats DON'T BE Pokemon, since:
1) It allows to give it extraordinary stats and abilities for the sake of being a difficult challenge for the player without worrying about what meta can generate.
2) It allows for broken abilities that could be fun to see and test.
3) It allows for a different aesthetic far away from Pokemon, making the aesthetic of Pokemon more distinguishable.

Also...What abilities do you imagine for each form of Lugarugan?
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Drake Wolf said:
Well, the official page avoids referring to them as Pokémon and even mentions them apart.

Like somebody mentioned here before, that also gives them the chance to give them crazy weaknesses/resistance. Now I really want to battle them.
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I'm aware of all this. Except nothing in Pokemon hasn't been a Pokemon before apart from the Pokestar Studios things (as far as I remember). I'm pretty sure they may just be avoiding calling them Pokemon because it's a huge plot point? They have to leave some surprises after all for the player to discover. I certainly wouldn't want to confirm it either way because all it does is add more hype, which is exactly what they want. Every Pokemon forum in the world probably has a 130+ page thread about these games. They love that.

Half the Alolan form Pokemon haven't been added to the listing "Pokemon adapted to the Alola Region!" Even though its very obvious that a chunk of them have in fact changed form to cope with Alola better (Marowak and Rattata especially). What the website says is the most credible source we have yes, but it still has mistakes/hasn't been updated to reflect Pokemon that have been released.

All I'm saying is it's a bit pointless so say whether they are or aren't at the moment. People are going to believe what they want, but I am firmly in the "These are Pokemon" camp.

Also; I think there may be a bit of "lost in translation" going on for the Rockruff evolutions. All the information we have appears to be contradicting each other, in regards to the first bit saying it changes formes when in Day/Night and then the new bit saying they might be version exclusives? Something doesn't add up there and I am hoping tomorrows information clears it up. On that note, sometimes the information we get in Corocoro isn't related to the news we get directly from Pokemon themselves, this could be another instance and we could be waiting until October for more information about Rockruffs evolutions... I do hope that is not the case.
 
Night Lugarugan has grown on me. I doubt the rock-type priority move is exclusive to Midday form, but based on the artwork they both look like physical attackers.

If this new move is widespread (or if Lugarugan is decent) this is the worst thing to happen to Talonflame.
 
Day Lugarugan has done the opposite of grown on me. I'm still not pushed on Emowolf, but the more I see Day form the more I think "generic deviantart wolfaboo #1".

Accelrock sounds really wonderful if it's a generic physical priority move. Rock types have needed a buff since forever (since Stealth Rock is arguably best on Pokemon that aren't rock types...) so I hope it has a distribution limited to actual rock types, more or less. Sans TTar and Terrakion (E: whoops forgot Diancie) I guess, but more or less every other rock type could really do with the buff.

Gimme a speedy Golem, GameFreak!
 
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This scans...Could it be that it's Rock/Fighting and not Rock/Dark? As a quick reminder, unless they change something (They could) its weakness worry me a bit:

Rock/Dark: Water, Grass, Fighting (4), Ground, Bug, Steel & Fairy. / Resist Normal, Fire, Poison, Flying, Ghost, and Dark.
Rock/Fighting: Water, Grass, Fighting, Ground, Psychic, Steel & Fairy./ Resist Normal, Fire, Poison, Ghost, and Dark.

I prefer it to be Fighting since exchanges a Weakness (fighting) for one less resist, which is fine for me since it still makes Flying hit normal. And that dual stab is not half bad.
 
Darth Manaphy said:
Type Weaknesses mean nothing. Talonflame is literally the biggest example of a Pokemon with "Eh" stats and shit typing that ended up being a Metagame Defining Pokemon.

EDIT: On the other hand, the priority Rock move gives this Pokemon a good counter for Talonflame at least.
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Check, if the move is physical, but I see what you're saying. I'm glad we have access to more priority moves, we need those. Now all we need is an electric priority for stuff like Luxray to abuse the hell out of...or grass priority. Something that beats water lol.
 
Rock type move with priority! Rock type being a decent offensive type too. This is gonna be fun I was going to get Moon because I always ended up getting the Red color scheme/fire pokemon cover game and do a change but now I might get Sun and Moon...also contrary to what the preliminary translation of yesterday to the one today these Lugarugan are version exclusive now.
 
Rock priority is really neat. The typings that are severely threatened by Stealth Rock are also crying in a corner at news of Accelrock.
I looks like distribution will be quite poor though, at least initially.
But many moves that start out signature eventually go to other Pokemon in subsequent games.
 
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