What Ash-Greninja did was hogging all the screentime so a very low amount of effort was put into fight scenes not involving it by the time it became a thing.
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SPOILERS! General Pokémon Anime Discussion
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What Ash-Greninja did was hogging all the screentime so a very low amount of effort was put into fight scenes not involving it by the time it became a thing.
Excuse me but you misspelled Infernape.
Greninja was the ace with less focus in the entire Anime battle wise, and honestly if we put him frame by frame Greninja might have less key frames than Swellow.
Well, it could also be that they're all guilty of this. If Swellw/Infernape really took way more spotlight, this is probably not better but rather less bad.
So a leak from an anonymous Japanese magazine has revealed some more info:
(It's also showing the Z-Ring toy making me wonder if it'll also react to when a Z-Move is used in the show, but I don't quite know. Could be just saying kids can have a Z-Ring just like Ash does)
People online are saying this change is possibly influences by the major success of Yokai Watch (in Japan). If this is true this does irk me a bit, I want to watch Pokemon where a trainer travels around a region trying to compete in that region's league (or whatever equivalent it has). If I wanted to watch Yokai Watch, I'D WATCH YOKAI WATCH.
Of course, try explaining that to a producer who only sees things in the term of charts. All they see is Yokai Watch doing good and told everyone "let's do that!" not understanding Pokemon and Yokai Watch work differently. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Yokai Watch team actually, you know, cares and tries making their show the best quality possible and follow along with what goes on in the games; but I don't watch it so I can't say for sure. Also I don't think Yokai Watch is doing so good internationally (but, as we all know, GF/Pokemon Company has a habit of putting Japan over international community even when it makes no sense or even detrimental to do so).
But still, Pokemon Company, take a look at the people who are currently in charge of the Pokemon anime are doing. Is this REALLY how you want Pokemon portrayed on television?
- The season will be called "Pokemon Sun and Moon".
- The anime is going to be gag heavy, the magazine using the term "gag festival".
(It's also showing the Z-Ring toy making me wonder if it'll also react to when a Z-Move is used in the show, but I don't quite know. Could be just saying kids can have a Z-Ring just like Ash does)
People online are saying this change is possibly influences by the major success of Yokai Watch (in Japan). If this is true this does irk me a bit, I want to watch Pokemon where a trainer travels around a region trying to compete in that region's league (or whatever equivalent it has). If I wanted to watch Yokai Watch, I'D WATCH YOKAI WATCH.
Of course, try explaining that to a producer who only sees things in the term of charts. All they see is Yokai Watch doing good and told everyone "let's do that!" not understanding Pokemon and Yokai Watch work differently. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Yokai Watch team actually, you know, cares and tries making their show the best quality possible and follow along with what goes on in the games; but I don't watch it so I can't say for sure. Also I don't think Yokai Watch is doing so good internationally (but, as we all know, GF/Pokemon Company has a habit of putting Japan over international community even when it makes no sense or even detrimental to do so).
But still, Pokemon Company, take a look at the people who are currently in charge of the Pokemon anime are doing. Is this REALLY how you want Pokemon portrayed on television?
God, Ash is making some ugly faces.
I'm curious about how popular the Pokémon anime is with its target demographic outside of Japan and how it'll react to these changes. I personally think the Japanese have a shitty sense of what humor is and they're clearly going for something with more slapstick (not a bad form in and of itself, but animated Japanese slapstick is often cringey and uninspired ass, and imo we Americans do (or did) it way better), so this is gonna suck.
I'm curious about how popular the Pokémon anime is with its target demographic outside of Japan and how it'll react to these changes. I personally think the Japanese have a shitty sense of what humor is and they're clearly going for something with more slapstick (not a bad form in and of itself, but animated Japanese slapstick is often cringey and uninspired ass, and imo we Americans do (or did) it way better), so this is gonna suck.
Whoa. I thought giving the games the abbreviation "Pokémon S&M" was one step in the wrong direction, but taking it even further with this?!? Introducing gags and stuff to Pokémon, I thought that was reserved for certain websites you only visit once...
(just kidding, of course)[/hide]
Took me a while to figure out what you were saying.
Pokemon and Yokai Watch are made by the same animation studio?! No wonder why this is happening, OLM is seeing the huge success (within Japan which is their main concern) with their work on Yokai Watch and want to see if doing the same with Pokemon (which I have a feeling Pokemon Company has given them laissez-faire, at least as long as the anime is successful?).
Yeah, if this backfires I would say it might be time for The Pokemon Company to move production to the anime to someone else (maybe to the people who did Pokemon Origins or Generations).
This was also made by OLM, origins had some outsourcing to Xebec and IG.
Generations is also OLM with a different key frame animator but same direction staff.
Pokémon has never left OLM, you can blame this bastards for all the shit that happened in anime generations 2-current regarding the leagues and movie 3 onwards, even clashing with the Anime original all ages satire of the game initial concept.
All we are seeing right now is nothing but executive meddling and bullshit from idiots that see the Japanese kids as the only demographic of value.
BTW I got banned in r/Pokémon(a 7 days ban to boot) for criticizing Pokémon SM Anime trailers with SU and Hannah Barbera animation techniques that are basically characters sliding through static backgrounds using heights to give the illusion of depth and background interactions along with quick non sequitur angle shoots to showcase general direction of consecutive movement between shoots. All of those are animation "Sins" Studio use to save money.
The sad part is that I'm not wrong but people can't handle criticism, OLM really fucked up in the perception shots and key frames this time around while trying to showcase dynamic poses. The fact that they are trying to make this into a gag Anime is beyond unforgivable by Japanese standards as that is Yokai Watch zone of work.
Basically a studio ripping of the success of another of its works due to executive meddling.
I'm a big animation enthusiast, from good old Batman to Anime and its "Sakuga" I appreciate when a job is well done, sadly neither of the 3 instances can be called good in an objective way.
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You know I might be okay with the gag a day slice of life style, if it weren't for the fact that they recent Ash harder than he has ever EVER been reset.
Like, if they brought in some new look-a-like, or if they came out and yelled "suprise! This is really Ash's son" or something I'd be okay. Not happy but okay.
I haven't really cared about the anime in years (probably not since late Johto to be honest) but dang this second half of X/Y really made me give it a look again. And to have them take all that and ram it in the ground is just so disappointing.
Well, I guess I better look at the bright side. Maybe the Rotom-Dex will be a wise-cracking snarker like Whisper.
...WAIT A SECOND!
OH GOD THEY REALLY ARE THE SAME CHARACTER AREN'T THEY?!
Like, if they brought in some new look-a-like, or if they came out and yelled "suprise! This is really Ash's son" or something I'd be okay. Not happy but okay.
I haven't really cared about the anime in years (probably not since late Johto to be honest) but dang this second half of X/Y really made me give it a look again. And to have them take all that and ram it in the ground is just so disappointing.
Well, I guess I better look at the bright side. Maybe the Rotom-Dex will be a wise-cracking snarker like Whisper.
...WAIT A SECOND!
OH GOD THEY REALLY ARE THE SAME CHARACTER AREN'T THEY?!
Worse than BW? You're mad. At least they're finally trashing the old formula and trying something different*. It's been 20 years of crap and fake-outs.
*If it doesn't pan out you know they'll go back faster than you can say Brock.
You mean after the 4th gym so we can have old team Rocket?
Japan is all about saving face and never admitting you where wrong. Sadly, in an attempt to uphold this they might try to market Pokémon watch even harder.
I mean apparently the Mexican VAs are already pissed off at the league results and the gag approach they are trying to shove in, this according to Anime convention interviews.
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So basicly we can await every episode something normal to happen and Ash saying stuff like "It has to a Pokemon's fault" or something?
I hope they don't copy the show literally...but maybe Ash catches a good junk of Pokemon that way.
I hope they don't copy the show literally...but maybe Ash catches a good junk of Pokemon that way.
Please, stop bashing BW, it has the worst league ever yes (Every fight except Stephan vs Ash was meh) and some Pokemon should have evolved (Emboar, Snivy, Boldore), but it has the best plots, the less fillers, the best Pokemon, the rotation (could have been better) and the best chemestry (subjective)
And most importantly, no contests, no Dawn and no Brock. That alone makes it better than DP.
I'm not going to make any statement about Yokai Watch here, but what I know very well is that making show X more like show Y by doing Z usually results in show X not getting why Z works in show Y, shoehorns it in without purpose and flops. (Works for any other media) What I hope for is that the US/EU stops localizing the show to fill the timeslot with something better.
1 - Emboar is a fully evolved pokemon. You probably meant Ash's Pignite.
2 - The GAMES had something that resembled a plot; the anime didn't—it got too stale even for pokemon's standards, and that's no small feat. In fact, the whole BW plot was bottled into one sub arc so late into the anime that at that point nobody really cared about it anymore. "Less fillers"... Yeah, right.
Finally, B/W had Iris, thus making it a bad season by association.
As for Sun and Moon... eh, I start to feel like a broken record, but I rather like it and I really think some people here have come up with some really bold assumptions but whatever. You do you in the end, I guess *shrugs*
Dude, this thing had Elesa gym fight and trashed heavily on Skyla, the mini tournaments where its saving grace, but even there Bianca and Trip got the short end of the stick development wise.
BW was legitimately a mess man, they faced arc abortion and executive meddling to bring back Goofy TR as well, they didn't handle the rotation well and Ash got 2 battle droids (Palpitoad and Boldore) only leaving Scrafty(Partially several episodes went to him and he was on the way of mastering focus miss), Pignite and Krookodile as developed Pokémon character wise Leavanny and Unfezant suffered from the rotation even if they had some cool personality traits. Then there is freaking Piplup, I mean Oshawott stealing the spotlight.
Honest to God, the BW series was a mess with Roxie gym acting as a wake up call to how poorly developed Ash team actually was.
I'm holding all my thoughts about the Sun and Moon anime until I actually see it. I think people are being a little too overdramatic when we still know little about it.
WE NEED A POKEMON FOR TEENS SERIES NOT JUST FOR ELEMENTARY KIDS
The budget of the new generations was all over the place, from faceless Lance to rubber arms dragonite and wonky Flamethrower vibrating dragonite to actually cool stuff like Petra reactions and dragonite throwing stuff.
Generations animation is really inconsistent.
But we got good reaction gifs out if it when they actually animate a bit more than 15fps.
Generations animation is really inconsistent.
But we got good reaction gifs out if it when they actually animate a bit more than 15fps.
Due to the general Yo-kai Watch direction that the anime is taking, are we never going to see combat in the anime again? The slice-of-life monster collector is the Yo-kai's thing, as stated above. At least we will probably have an equivalent of Whisper, even if Rotom Dex will be much more respectful in the Japanese version.
At least the games have combat and a coherent plot, even if the main stories (other than BW) seem shallow without subtext.
corrin The Japanese version of Yo-kai Watch depicts Whisper as a polite butler, but he is much more snide in the dub. Both versions still depict him as a "know-nothing know-it-all" by hiding the Yo-kai Pad while looking up information on fellow Yo-kai.
I might expect Rotom Dex to speak with snide remarks in both languages of the Pokémon Sun-Moon anime, but that might turn into baseless speculation. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my profile page.
At least the games have combat and a coherent plot, even if the main stories (other than BW) seem shallow without subtext.
corrin The Japanese version of Yo-kai Watch depicts Whisper as a polite butler, but he is much more snide in the dub. Both versions still depict him as a "know-nothing know-it-all" by hiding the Yo-kai Pad while looking up information on fellow Yo-kai.
I might expect Rotom Dex to speak with snide remarks in both languages of the Pokémon Sun-Moon anime, but that might turn into baseless speculation. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me on my profile page.
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Jesus guys, stop it. Yeah, Yokai Watch has definitely influenced the anime to some degree but we don't know just how much exactly yet. For all we know the new season could very well still be the same as every other season at its core with different things thrown around here and there. Chill out with the assumptions, man lol.
Anyways, what do you mean with : " even if Rotom Dex will be much more respectful in the Japanese version"? I'm definitely missing some context here.
Edit: Oh, I see. Makes sense, thanks!
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