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Minior Discussion

DuplexBeGreat said:
I'm not sure what you mean by "boost" its defenses. The defenses are 60/100/100 and then they drop. The ability boosts the attack and speed. And yes, it is immune to status above 50% HP.

And people are making it out to be pretty damn good.
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Serebii says it under its ability that it has high defense so I was wondering if that might boost its actual defensive stats.

Minior isnt OU material by anymeans. It is weak to SR, Bullet punch and other priorty moves. Its also not very bulky. Scizor is going to have a field day.
 
STEELDRAGON said:
Serebii says it under its ability that it has high defense so I was wondering if that might boost its actual defensive stats.

Minior isnt OU material by anymeans. It is weak to SR, Bullet punch and other priorty moves. Its also not very bulky. Scizor is going to have a field day.
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Serebii often is pretty vague with their descriptions.

Lategame sweeper after any priority has been removed. You don't typically use your Smash on any Smash user until you're sure it'll be safe.
 
Bidoofmydoof said:
Quiet and Naughty are what you want. The only thing that actually beats Minior is priority. Since almost all priority moves are physical, by choosing a -spdef nature instead of -def, you let your Minior survive, for example, Aqua Jet in sun or non-SE priority moves from unboosted Pokemon, more reliably, since you won't be hit to exactly 50% HP every time, unfortunately.

Adamant/Jolly and Modest/Timid are bad because, as we saw before, you don't need the speed from Jolly and Timid to outspeed everything and because you give up the ability to be a mixed sweeper by choosing one of those. When you're at 50% or less with Minior you're not expecting to survive another attack so there's no point trying to preserve your defenses much but with a -spdef nature you have just enough defense to survive more often because you'll realistically be hit to 35-45%, not 50% on the dot. In the long run it could save your Minior many times.
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I'm a little confused. Isn't Quiet +Sp.Atk -Spe? Or did you mean Rash (+sp.atk -sp.def)? If uninvested with no speed outpaces the meta after a shell smash, wouldn't quiet be detrimental?
 
Here's a small calc about what priority can do to Minior:

44 Atk Technician Mega Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Minior: 188-224 (72 - 85.8%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

Before Shields Down takes effect, by the way. Afterwards, it's a straight OHKO.

It absolutely needs Reflect to do anything in OU. Or a Gravity and Psychic Terrain.
 
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Riah said:
I'm a little confused. Isn't Quiet +Sp.Atk -Spe? Or did you mean Rash (+sp.atk -sp.def)? If uninvested with no speed outpaces the meta after a shell smash, wouldn't quiet be detrimental?
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Sorry, I must have made a mistake. In order to avoid mistakes, the best natures for Minior are +atk/spatk and -spdef.
 
Or just make sure its counters are taken care of before setting up. Why set up a frail Pokemon to sweep when the Pokemon it's fodder to is still around?
 
DuplexBeGreat said:
Serebii often is pretty vague with their descriptions.

Lategame sweeper after any priority has been removed. You don't typically use your Smash on any Smash user until you're sure it'll be safe.
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Serebii just copied what the Minior reveal video said months ago. They didn't update the site with datamined info yet.

Retro64 said:
Or just make sure its counters are taken care of before setting up. Why set up a frail Pokemon to sweep when the Pokemon it's fodder to is still around?
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Pretty much yes. Every Pokemon is going to have something that ruins it's day. If they didn't then they'd go right to ubers.

No one would want Minior to be able to set up and then sweep you without any counters.
 
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Bidoofmydoof said:
I did a bunch of calculations earlier today and learned that even with 0 speed investment the only unboosted thing that outspeeds a Minior with Shell Smash in OU right now is Weavile with a Choice Scarf.
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Anyway, here, I did a bunch, these are assuming you are in unarmored form and a Shell Smash used.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the armored form is immune to status effects, so no need to worry about stuff like Klefki while you're setting up.

+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 172 Def Clefable: 345-406 (87.5 - 103%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Dragonite Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Minior in Sun: 74-88 (28.3 - 33.7%) -- 0.2% chance to 3HKO (Just to show Minior might work in Sun with Solar Beam)
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Multiscale Dragonite: 310-366 (95.9 - 113.3%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 248 HP / 168+ Def Amoonguss: 648-764 (150.3 - 177.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 435-513 (67.7 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 100+ Def Mega Charizard X: 456-536 (127 - 149.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Diancie: 276-325 (114.5 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 88+ Def Ferrothorn: 220-261 (62.5 - 74.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (Ferrothorn can't safely switch into Minior)
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Garchomp: 342-403 (95.7 - 112.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO (Mega sets tank and kill us though)
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 16 HP / 8 Def Mega Gardevoir: 460-543 (163.7 - 193.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 244 HP / 8 Def Gliscor: 270-318 (76.7 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Poison Heal
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Jirachi: 396-468 (116.1 - 137.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 714-842 (221 - 260.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Rotom-W: 205-243 (67.6 - 80.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery (can't switch into you)
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 169-201 (50.5 - 60.1%) -- 86.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Also, this is funny but even with absolutely no speed investment, Minior has 1 more speed than max speed Excadrill, so Minior outspeeds and OHKOs any non-Air Balloon Excadrill, even in sand.

However, Minior is beat by Mega Slowbro and Sableye, Ferrothorn if you're not careful, Hippowdon, Tyranitar, any Azumarill, Landorus-T.

Though since you outspeed anything with shell smash, I think you can invest fully in both atk and spatk and run a mixed set. Almost nothing can switch into Minior besides stuff like Mega Aggron.
Landorus-T destroys Minior though so maybe HP Ice is gonna be a thing if it's srs since it also lets you beat Garchomp. I don't know.
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Show ALL of those calcs to someone out of context - and that would sound scary...
 
The thing about the calculations I made earlier is that they only consider Pokemon relevant during the ORAS metagame. They did not include the new Pokemon, Alola forms nor buffed Pokemon.

Of course, I took the time to remedy that. I made calculations using +2 Minior against every new Pokemon, Alola form, UB, buffed relevant Pokemon and all of Silvally's forms. This way we'll be ahead of the curve instead of being awestruck at Minior's numbers and then caught with out pants down when we forget there are over 100 new Pokemon to account for. Well, in other words, I did calculations for Minior's main moves (Acrobatics, Stone Edge, EQ, Power Gem, Dazzling Gleam, Solar Beam and Psychic) so now we can see how my favorite fares against the new Pokemon. Note I made ran at least two calculations against every Pokemon: one against them with minimum defensive investment, one with maximum defensive investment and another with 252 HP. If they are OHKOed by Acrobatics with maximum defensive investment I often ended calculations against that Pokemon there because you don't need help in that case. Anyway, here they are:

New Alola Pokemon and UBs
Decidueye
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Decidueye: 379-447 (127.6 - 150.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Decidueye: 570-672 (158.3 - 186.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Incineroar
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 358-423 (108.1 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Incineroar: 462-546 (117.2 - 138.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Primarina
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 421-496 (139.8 - 164.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 384-452 (105.4 - 124.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Toucannon
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Toucannon: 415-490 (137.8 - 162.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toucannon: 516-608 (141.7 - 167%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Gumshoos
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gumshoos: 451-532 (142.2 - 167.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gumshoos: 322-381 (84.7 - 100.2%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

Vikavolt
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Vikavolt: 654-770 (221.6 - 261%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def VIkavolt: 462-546 (129 - 152.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Crabominable
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Crabominable: 372-438 (111 - 130.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Crabominable: 560-660 (140.7 - 165.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Oricorio (they all take the same damage and fire gets OHKOed even harder than the others)
+2 252 SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Oricorio: 584-690 (200.6 - 237.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Oricorio: 540-636 (152.5 - 179.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Ribombee
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Ribombee: 906-1068 (347.1 - 409.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ribombee: 644-762 (198.7 - 235.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Lycanroc (Only night because midday is frailer)
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lycanroc Night: 506-596 (162.7 - 191.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lycanroc Night: 344-406 (91.9 - 108.5%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Lycanroc Night: 376-444 (100.5 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Wishiwashi
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Wishiwashi: 262-309 (118.5 - 139.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Wishiwashi School: 196-232 (69 - 81.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Wishiwashi School: 336-396 (118.3 - 139.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Wishiwashi School: 262-309 (92.2 - 108.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO

Toxapex
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Toxapex: 278-328 (91.4 - 107.8%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Toxapex: 214-252 (70.3 - 82.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Mudsdale
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mudsdale: 237-279 (58.6 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mudsdale: 498-588 (123.2 - 145.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Mudsdale: 350-412 (86.6 - 101.9%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

Araquanid
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Araquanid: 498-588 (146.4 - 172.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Araquanid: 174-206 (51.1 - 60.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Lurantis
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Lurantis: 327-385 (116.3 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Lurantis: 510-600 (148.2 - 174.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Shiinotic
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Shiinotic: 792-932 (303.4 - 357%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Shiinotic: 546-644 (168.5 - 198.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Salazzle
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Salazzle: 496-585 (179 - 211.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Salazzle: 784-924 (230.5 - 271.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Salazzle: 588-692 (172.9 - 203.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO <If you don't run EQ

Bewear
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Bewear: 396-468 (103.9 - 122.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Bewear: 494-582 (111.2 - 131%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Bewear: 272-324 (61.2 - 72.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Tsareena
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tsareena: 304-358 (106.6 - 125.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tsareena: 480-566 (137.9 - 162.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Comfey
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Comfey: 327-385 (106.8 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Comfey: 255-300 (83.3 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Oranguru
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Oranguru: 396-466 (103.1 - 121.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Oranguru: 273-322 (71 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Passimian
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Passimian: 510-600 (126.2 - 148.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Passimian: 494-582 (144.8 - 170.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Passimian: 440-518 (129 - 151.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Golisopod
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Golisopod: 446-528 (153.2 - 181.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Golisopod: 372-440 (105 - 124.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Palossand
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Palossand: 222-262 (59.3 - 70%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Palossand: 376-444 (100.5 - 118.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Pyukumuku
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Pyukumuku: 196-232 (62.4 - 73.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Minior
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Minior: 432-510 (133.3 - 157.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Komala
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Komala: 424-499 (126.9 - 149.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Komala: 309-364 (92.5 - 108.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Turtonator
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Turtonator: 350-414 (108 - 127.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Turtonator: 500-590 (154.3 - 182%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Togedemaru
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Togedemaru 764-900 (228.7 - 269.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mimikyu
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mimikyu: 396-466 (126.1 - 148.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mimikyu: 360-424 (114.6 - 135%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Mimikyu: 273-322 (86.9 - 102.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

Bruxish
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Bruxish: 400-472 (117.6 - 138.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Bruxish: 297-349 (87.3 - 102.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Bruxish: 394-464 (115.8 - 136.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Drampa
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Drampa: 262-310 (72.7 - 86.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Drampa: 316-372 (87.7 - 103.3%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Dhelmise
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Dhelmise: 656-774 (190.6 - 225%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Dhelmise: 474-558 (137.7 - 162.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Kommo-o
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Kommo-o: 408-480 (115.2 - 135.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Kommo-o: 408-480 (115.2 - 135.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Tapu Koko
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko: 342-403 (99.4 - 117.1%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tapu Koko: 318-376 (92.4 - 109.3%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Tapu Lele
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tapu Lele: 285-336 (82.8 - 97.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tapu Lele: 379-447 (110.1 - 129.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Tapu Bulu
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Tapu Bulu: 428-506 (124.4 - 147%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Tapu Fini
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Fini: 348-410 (101.1 - 119.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Tapu Fini: 291-343 (84.5 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Solgaleo
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Solgaleo: 274-324 (57.3 - 67.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Lunala
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Multiscale Lunala: 127-150 (26.5 - 31.3%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def NO MULTISCALE Lunala: 255-301 (53.3 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Lunala: 181-213 (37.8 - 44.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def NO MULTISCALE Lunala: 363-427 (75.9 - 89.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Multiscale Lunala: 181-213 (43.6 - 51.3%) -- 8.2% chance to 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def NO MULTISCALE Lunala: 363-427 (87.4 - 102.8%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

Nihilego
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Nihilego: 541-637 (128.1 - 150.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Nihilego: 884-1044 (209.4 - 247.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

BUZZWOLE
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Buzzwole: 748-888 (178.9 - 212.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Pheromosa gets OHKOed by Sunkern using Splash.

Xurkitree
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Xurkitree: 354-418 (95.6 - 112.9%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Xurkitree: 396-466 (107 - 125.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Celesteela
+2 252 SpA Minior Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Celesteela in Sun: 326-384 (97.3 - 114.6%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Celesteela: 211-249 (53 - 62.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Kartana
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Kartana: 261-307 (100.7 - 118.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 1048-1236 (325.4 - 383.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Guzzlord
+2 252 SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Guzzlord: 612-720 (94.1 - 110.7%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Guzzlord: 668-788 (102.7 - 121.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO <Quiet nature
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Guzzlord: 345-406 (53 - 62.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Necrozma
+2 252 Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Necrozma: 213-252 (53.5 - 63.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Necrozma: 297-351 (88.6 - 104.7%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

Magearna
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Magearna: 260-308 (71.4 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 212 HP / 0 Def Magearna: 354-418 (100 - 118%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Marshadow
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Marshadow: 546-644 (142.1 - 167.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO


Alola Forms:
Ninetales
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Alola Ninetales: 415-490 (118.5 - 140%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alola Ninetales: 516-608 (147.4 - 173.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Dugtrio
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Alola Dugtrio: 292-344 (106.5 - 125.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alola Dugtrio: 392-462 (143 - 168.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Marowak
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alola Marowak: 404-476 (124.6 - 146.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Alola Marowak: 362-428 (111.7 - 132%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Exeggutor
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Exeggutor: 524-620 (132.9 - 157.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Golem
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alola Golem: 476-564 (130.7 - 154.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Alola Golem: 410-484 (112.6 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Muk
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Alola Muk: 415-490 (100.2 - 118.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alola Muk: 344-406 (83 - 98%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Persian
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Fur Coat Alola Persian: 249-294 (91.8 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Alola Persian: 162-192 (48.5 - 57.4%) -- 94.1% chance to 2HKO
Any special move on 0 HP/0 SpD Alola Persian OHKOs it

Raichu
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alola Raichu: 322-381 (99.3 - 117.5%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO <In case you don't run EQ
Note: Alola Raichu in electric terrain will outspeed you even after Shell Smash. If it turns out to be a threat, speed EVs might be required.

Sandslash
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Alola Sandslash: 254-300 (71.7 - 84.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Alola Sandslash: 340-402 (96 - 113.5%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Alola Sandslash: 412-488 (116.3 - 137.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO


Old Pokemon that got buffed
Pelipper
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Pelipper: 432-510 (133.7 - 157.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Pelipper: 576-680 (178.3 - 210.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Torkoal
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 232+ Def Torkoal: 344-408 (100.2 - 118.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 248 HP / 28 SpD Torkoal: 560-662 (163.2 - 193%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Gigalith
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Gigalith: 316-374 (84.4 - 100%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Gigalith: 238-282 (63.6 - 75.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Vanilluxe
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Vanilluxe: 476-564 (137.5 - 163%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Mantine
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mantine: 590-696 (157.7 - 186%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Flygon
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Flygon: 396-466 (131.5 - 154.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Flygon: 273-322 (75 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Flygon: 350-414 (96.1 - 113.7%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO

Silvally's forms
Normal
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (103.6 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (87 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 246-289 (62.4 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Grass
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (174.1 - 205.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 492-578 (124.8 - 146.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Fire
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally 624-734 (188.5 - 221.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 624-734 (158.3 - 186.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 444-524 (112.6 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Water
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (103.6 - 122.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 454-536 (115.2 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 454-536 (115.2 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Electric
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (125.6 - 148%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (105.5 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 296-350 (75.1 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Ice
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 624-734 (188.5 - 221.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 624-734 (158.3 - 186.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 444-524 (112.6 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Flying
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 624-734 (188.5 - 221.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 624-734 (158.3 - 186.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 444-524 (112.6 - 132.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Bug
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (174.1 - 205.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 492-578 (124.8 - 146.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Poison
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (125.6 - 148%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (105.5 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 342-404 (86.8 - 102.5%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

Ground
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 454-536 (115.2 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 454-536 (115.2 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Rock
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (125.6 - 148%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (105.5 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 454-536 (115.2 - 136%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Fighting
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (174.1 - 205.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 492-578 (124.8 - 146.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Psychic
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (87 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 246-289 (62.4 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Ghost
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (87 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 246-289 (62.4 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Dragon
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (87 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 304-358 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Dark
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (87 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Dazzling Gleam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Silvally: 304-358 (77.1 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Steel
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (125.6 - 148%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 416-490 (105.5 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 296-350 (75.1 - 88.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Fairy
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 686-810 (207.2 - 244.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Silvally: 343-405 (87 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO
+2 252+ Atk Minior Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Silvally: 246-289 (62.4 - 73.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
Minior has so much potential. People are going to be desperate to keep their priority users alive just so they have something to check it and that in itself will lead to some interesting mindgames.
 
Okay, I think I know what you're suppose to do here: Keep using Shell Smash (maybe Cosmic Power; Stealth Rock if you want) until Shields Down activates, then sweep while your opponent tries to wittle away at you. GG.

I did not think Minior will get THAT good of a stat change when Shield Down activates. Heck, the defense decrease it goes through isn't even that bad, especially if you use Cosmic Power a few times before its time to go all out.

It also gets the moves it would ever want. Let's shake things up and start with utilities: Shell Smash, Cosmic Power, Stealth Rock, U-turn, Substitute, dual screens, and Explosion (and Autotomize and Double Team). Do what you want, Minior just wants to make you happy. Then when it comes to doing the business its STABs can go Physical (Stone Edge/Rock Slide & Acrobatics), Special (Power Gem... that's pretty much it), or mixed. If you somehow have room left you could also slap on Double-Edge/Return, Earthquake, Psychic, and Dazzling Gleam.

Yes, I'm getting a Minior.
 
I'm thinking a mixed set. With a set like this, only very specific things can stop its sweep, and even then, you are getting hit REALLY hard for trying.

Minior @ White Herb
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 SpAtk
Ability: Shields Down
Rash/Naughty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Power Gem
- Earthquake
- Acrobatics
 
JackTheGamer said:
I'm thinking a mixed set. With a set like this, only very specific things can stop its sweep, and even then, you are getting hit REALLY hard for trying.

Minior @ White Herb
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 SpAtk
Ability: Shields Down
Rash/Naughty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Power Gem
- Earthquake
- Acrobatics
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What about running HP Fire? Otherwise this set has some trouble with levitating Steel types.
 
So what, aegislash and air balloon defensive steel types are the only way to deal with this outside of priority? I feel like this thing is going straight to ubers, tbh. It's just too good a late game sweeper/cleaner.
 
JackTheGamer said:
So what, aegislash and air balloon defensive steel types are the only way to deal with this outside of priority? I feel like this thing is going straight to ubers, tbh. It's just too good a late game sweeper/cleaner.
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All the calcs I made were with Minior in unarmored form a few posts above. If you can OHKO Minior then it will be useless. If you have something with Focus Sash or Priority then you will also take Minior down. Another thing that beats Minior is Landorus-T if your Minior does not have HP Ice. Anything with Bullet Punch that is sent out at the same time as unarmored Minior will also kill it.

However, as you can see from my calcs, if you do not have a priority user, something with a focus sash or something that RESISTS ALL of its moveset, you have very little chance. Worst of all is the calcs I did even accounted for the enemy using maximum defensive investment and they still all got OHKOed or 2HKOed.
 
Bidoofmydoof said:
All the calcs I made were with Minior in unarmored form a few posts above. If you can OHKO Minior then it will be useless. If you have something with Focus Sash or Priority then you will also take Minior down. Another thing that beats Minior is Landorus-T if your Minior does not have HP Ice. Anything with Bullet Punch that is sent out at the same time as unarmored Minior will also kill it.

However, as you can see from my calcs, if you do not have a priority user, something with a focus sash or something that RESISTS ALL of its moveset, you have very little chance. Worst of all is the calcs I did even accounted for the enemy using maximum defensive investment and they still all got OHKOed or 2HKOed.
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:P I forgot about sash. Not super worried about priority, since the general plan is to eliminate priority users before bringing it in.

But a +2 252 SpAtk Power Gem would definitely body lando, correct? Although you may miss out on other OHKOs. I'd have to run some calcs.
 
JackTheGamer said:
:P I forgot about sash. Not super worried about priority, since the general plan is to eliminate priority users before bringing it in.

But a +2 252 SpAtk Power Gem would definitely body lando, correct? Although you may miss out on other OHKOs. I'd have to run some calcs.
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Naughty:
+1 252+ Atk Minior Stone Edge vs. 72 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 246-289 (72.9 - 85.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 252 SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 262-310 (77.7 - 91.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Rash:
+2 252+ SpA Minior Power Gem vs. 72 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 288-339 (85.4 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO

There's not much point to it. The thing is, even if Minior can't OHKO Landorus-T without HP Ice, it outspeeds Landorus-T and does enough damage that it won't even try to switch in on you unless it predicts EQ. If it predicts wrong you'll just 2HKO before it can react.

Your strategy with Minior is to have a team that can "smoothen" the landscape and get rid of any priority users then send Minior in because it can easily take a game on its own after the enemy Scizor/M-Garchomp are dead. Minior is so versatile, too, because it can work in Sand and Sun, so you can "splash," using card game terms, Minior into a lot of teams and make it part of the strategy. You can even choose a Minior color that fits your team <3
 
I REALLY love this Pokemon. Definitely one of my favorites this gen, along with Toxapex and Mimikyu. Gamefreak you are too good to me. (Even though you made half the gen slower than Magcargo >_> )
 
I was only planning to use Minior in-game after those Train On videos threw my heart into a meat grinder, but the more I read in this topic the more excited I get for the possibility of one of my new favorite 'mons being competitively viable.
 
If you go below 50% HP and activate Shields Down and then switch out, does Minior stay in its exposed forme when you bring it back in?

People have talked about its Shell Smash set, but what about a suicide lead or Dual Screens set?

Minior @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shields Down
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge
- Explosion
- U-turn / Earthquake

Minior @ Light Clay
Ability: Sheilds Down
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Explosion
- U-turn
 
This mon can actually benefit from its sr weakness if you give it an even hp number and use substitute to activate shields down. A set of sub/smash/edge/quake could be good in uu. In ou I think it's too hard to sweep because of priority.
 
ChrystalFalchion said:
Minior @ Focus Sash
Ability: Shields Down
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge
- Explosion
- U-turn / Earthquake
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This could have potential. I prefer shell smash as the last move though. You're probably not gonna get the chance to set up sr and sm most of the time but when you and your opponent both exchange rocks you can and that explosion will certainly do massive damage to any non-ghost type.
 
I can see Lycanrock's Accelerock being a pain for Minior (as well Ice Shard, Aqua Jet and well... any other priority attack except for Quick Attack).
 
Pignot said:
I can see Lycanrock's Accelerock being a pain for Minior (as well Ice Shard, Aqua Jet and well... any other priority attack except for Quick Attack).
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Lycanrock will probably be RU at most, Minior I can easily see in UU or even OU.
 
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