Is Blissey truly gamebreaking?

Pikachu of Doom

Toxic spikes are an asset even if ALL it did were screw blissey (which of course, isn't the only thing it does). I mean, if there were a move that read:

This move kills blissey. It does not affect any other pokemon.

We would all STILL carry it, wouldn't we? xD
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It's recently been noted that 43% of all teams carry Blissey. Amazing Special Defensive capabilities as well as enough HP to be able to take an unboosted physical attack in the face with only 130 def and still be standing as firm as she does when shes punting on a street corner....

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I'm pretty sure that was pretty common knowledge to all of you. The question is, if we had a move or a pokemon that completely counters Blissey would we waste a slot in our team to deal with it? I imagine once Blissey is out the way a Special sweeper such as Pory Z would have little problems sweeping.

A note: Dugtrio's EQ cannot 2HKO, howether, trapinch has 100 base attack, 10 higher base HP although sacrifices this for 25 less Sp.Def. The Speed may be something to worry about, however, with CS it can hit 178 with unboosting nature.
 
Pikachu of Doom said:
A note: Dugtrio's EQ cannot 2HKO, howether, trapinch has 100 base attack, 10 higher base HP although sacrifices this for 25 less Sp.Def. The Speed may be something to worry about, however, with CS it can hit 178 with unboosting nature.
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Are you saying it can 2HKO?
 
Dugtrio can 2HKO Blissey. If it has a Choice Band, Earthquake from Adamant Dugtrio will always 2HKO Blissey. If it's Jolly, it has a chance to 2HKO Blissey (especially in the Sand!). If Blissey isn't Bold, Jolly Dugtrio will always 2HKO Blissey.
 
I hate to admit it (since I REALLY hate blissey), but it's more like if blissey weren't around, would the game be balanced? As you mentioned, there's a reason why porygon z and togekiss aren't just raping the whole of the metagame. Pokes like that could freely run choice scarf and just blast away whole teams if they didn't have to worry about strong sp. def walls.

Blisseys are like women, you can't live with 'em and you can't live without 'em . . .
 
ChouToshio said:
I hate to admit it (since I REALLY hate blissey), but it's more like if blissey weren't around, would the game be balanced? As you mentioned, there's a reason why porygon z and togekiss aren't just raping the whole of the metagame. Pokes like that could freely run choice scarf and just blast away whole teams if they didn't have to worry about strong sp. def walls.

Blisseys are like women, you can't live with 'em and you can't live without 'em . . .
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That explains the single gender lol. But I agree that there are overpowered Special sweepers to be put in their place by blissey. And it still CAN be beat by special sweepers I guess.
 
It can. I kill Blisseys with Togekiss on one of my shoddy teams. After a nasty plot aura sphere does quite a lot and if you can get a couple flinches in before that you've basically sealed the deal before it ever gets a chance to twave you.
 
If your team isn't built with the acknowledgment of the most overused pokemon in the game and doesn't have a way of exploiting it in some way, it isn't a good team, case closed.

We (or at least I) urge our competitive battlers to think about Blissey in the same way, and relish the many, MANY opportunities there are to use her presence against those who use and rely upon her.
 
Wait wait wait.

If Blissey wasn't in the metagame, would Porygon-Z and Togekiss really be raping whole teams? If they would, then Garchomp should be raping whole teams, since a Blissey-like physical wall does not exist.
 
Remember that, an Adaptability + 1NP + Hyper Beam from Porygon-Z kills Blissey, and you will have fun with other Special Sweeper like Specsmence...
 
X-Act said:
Wait wait wait.

If Blissey wasn't in the metagame, would Porygon-Z and Togekiss really be raping whole teams? If they would, then Garchomp should be raping whole teams, since a Blissey-like physical wall does not exist.
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That's what I've always said. People overemphasize the importance of Blissey. There is not a single physical wall that can stop all the physical attackers in the game, like Blissey does with special attackers. So, if Garchomp, Heracross, DD Gyarados or Tyranitar, etc. doesn't ruin the game... Why would Porygon-Z and Togekiss do it? They also are stopped by specific walls, that might not cover all special pokémon in existence, but surely stop them in their tracks.
 
Time Mage said:
That's what I've always said. People overemphasize the importance of Blissey. There is not a single physical wall that can stop all the physical attackers in the game, like Blissey does with special attackers. So, if Garchomp, Heracross, DD Gyarados or Tyranitar, etc. doesn't ruin the game... Why would Porygon-Z and Togekiss do it? They also are stopped by specific walls, that might not cover all special pokémon in existence, but surely stop them in their tracks.
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Porygon Z gets double STAB on a move with a 20% effect chance off a higher base spatk than Chomp's attack. To come close to that Garchomp has to use a move that locks it in for two to three turns. Togekiss has an almost 60% flinch rate on a STAB move. Neither of them have the 4x weaknesses of Garchomp, Heracross and Ttar.

I'm not saying that these guys are totally unstoppable without Blissey, particularly since both of them under the right circumstances can in fact overpower Blissey, but I think it's entirely possible they would actually be more dangerous than the crazy physical attackers.

I'm not sure at the moment which other walls stop these guys. I'm not really thinking of anything. Dusknoir, Milotic and other things with very high spdef will all fall to Togekiss's flinches and considering the amount of damage Porygon z can do even to Blissey with a nasty plotted tri attack I don't think they will last long against that either. Dusknoir won't be able to take shadow balls/dark pulse either. In fact the only thing I can think of besides Blissey that has a shot at walling Porygon Z is Probopass.
 
If I were using a heavy Special based team, I'd probably just randomly slap Explosion on Azelf or Heatran or throw in a Lucario in the mix and have some fun.

Once I slapped Explosion over Psychic on Azelf with the intent of showing the first 3 moves, which makes Blissey overconfident that Psychic is my last move. Kaboom and then out comes the SpecsHeatran, ScarfRoserades and Colbur Berry Alakazams!
 
After a nasty plot, Porygon Z does 48-56% to a max HP, max special defense Spiritomb with ice beam. And I'm being nice and not making Porygon modest. Spiritomb really isn't that much of a wall, unfortunately... it gets by solely on lack of weaknesses. The 50 HP really hurts it.
 
porygonz doesn't sweep just because blissey isn't there. It's very similar to a special version of garchomp or heracross.

with nasty plot, it's the same as a sword dance garchomp. switch in something faster that can ko on the turn it nasty plots. Something that resists tri attack is usually a plus in case it doesnt nasty plot.

I find myself switching ttar into porygonz a lot more than I switch in my blissey as it takes pitiful damage from tri attack, dark pulse and ice beam/tbolt whatever. And can pursuit it.

scarf-z lacks a certain amount of power so another special wall like lax, regice or rocks in ss will be able to handle it with ease.

I think what's more of a concern to me is what happens with specsmence if there is no blissey. There aren't that many things that can shrug off a draco meteor everytime mence comes in.
 
The most common PorygonZ sets don't have Nasty Plot + Ice Beam or Thunderbolt though, I'd use Dark Pulse, both of Tri Attack/Hyper Beam and HP Fighting before them. Modest PorygonZ also gets outsped and revengekilled by even more stuff than a Timid one. When you have as much power as that thing does, you'll want to up your average speed as much as possible.

Anyway, the fact PorygonZ sometimes has Hyper Beam and that Pokemon like Heatran, Azelf and Magnezone sometimes have Explosion is proof enough that we are actually wasting moveslots solely to beat Blissey. It's just that they're not the most reliable ones out there, especially now that the Blissey design Obi posted in his RMT is being copied all across ShoddyBattle.

OP: Get your facts straight on Dugtrio and Trapinch, man. Choice Band Dugtrio does way more damage than Choice Scarf Trapinch and is actually useful outside of Blissey as well.
 
no she's not. granted she's good at what she does, but face her with something she doesn't do and she fails. to say that special attackers would rule the game if she wasn't here is a huge step. my no blissey teams deal with special attacks just fine, and if something llike porygon-Z got enough power it would make even blissey run for cover

doesnt sound very game breaking to me.
 
astrohawke said:
I think what's more of a concern to me is what happens with specsmence if there is no blissey. There aren't that many things that can shrug off a draco meteor everytime mence comes in.
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simply predict it and send in something that is faster for the KO. or revenge kill it.
 
Time Mage said:
That's what I've always said. People overemphasize the importance of Blissey. There is not a single physical wall that can stop all the physical attackers in the game, like Blissey does with special attackers. So, if Garchomp, Heracross, DD Gyarados or Tyranitar, etc. doesn't ruin the game... Why would Porygon-Z and Togekiss do it? They also are stopped by specific walls, that might not cover all special pokémon in existence, but surely stop them in their tracks.
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Yeah, and just look at how much trouble people have to go to try to handle all the physical sweepers in the game. Imagine if everyone had to work to have "specific tanks/walls" to cover all the physical AND all the special.

Though keep in mind this is from a guy who doesn't run blissey LOL. But the fact that she exists means that even teams without her can get away with a little less special walling.

It's like what someone said about Magnezone-- even if you don't see them all over, the fact that Skarmory is carrying Shed Shell over Lefties means he's already doing his job without being on your team. xD
 
OP: Get your facts straight on Dugtrio and Trapinch, man. Choice Band Dugtrio does way more damage than Choice Scarf Trapinch and is actually useful outside of Blissey as well.
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However, Choice Band Adamant Trapinch does 85-100% damage to Max/Max Blissey which could make useable since it doesn't need any Speed EVs.

I'm not saying it beats Dugtrio but its interesting, especially in Trick Room Where it's min speed is 22
 
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