Dark types are still affected by Z-Hypnosis, they are only immune to prankster moves.
I think scarf works better since it puts pressure on things like skarm with volt switch and kills lando with HP ice. Z move takes too much time to set up, and Xurk is revenge killed by a lot of things so
Xurkitree sucks. Z-Hypnosis is a garbage set and will only work against bad teams because any decently strong scarfer can OHKO or do like 80% to it, meaning with minimal prior damage (sometimes Spikes / Stealth Rock) those scarfers that you were talking about taking out Volcarona will just take out Xurkitree too. You are also wrong with Z-Hypnosis being 100% accurate because I've seen it miss a million times, which is part of what makes Xurkitree unreliable as a sweeper compared to Volcarona, Gyarados, etc. Let's also not forget the other, better Electric-types in the tier (Tapu Koko, Rotom-W, also Raikou whose Sub / Calm Mind set is actually pretty good, I'd recommend it) and there you have the reason why no good players actually use Xurkitree EXCEPT on Baton Pass, wherein Xurkitree will not be using Psychium Z anyways. Z-Hypnosis also only works one time, and after that good luck living any hits from any strong attacker, which again makes it unreliable compared to any other sweeper. I could go on and on with what makes Xurkitree outclassed and bad, such as the lack of defensive utility it brings to teams, being outclassed as a scarfer in almost every way, being affected by every type of entry hazard, you can really just keep going.
I think I got it after I edited my comment and also added another one stating that it was shit, though that was deleted for being as redundant as yours.
That was a different meta, and I named several other reasons for Volcarona to not rise. Moreover, ZardX is only 2x weak after mega evolution so it's hardly an apt comparison.
Just to clear this up a little bit because I feel you may have misunderstood me a little, I am in no way saying every mon weak to rocks can never be above *insert letter here* rank. I am talking specifically about Volcarona and the the support it needs, and this is something you seem to agree with at least somewhat from your post. Volcarona needs a lot of help to do its job effectively and this was also the reason why we didn't see a Zard-Y raise after some discussion a week or two back. There was at least one post from a member of the ranking team during that discussion explaining why he was against a zard-y raise and I think a lot of those points are also very relevant to the Volcarona argument.
Any replays to show this? This sounds good in theory but replays would make it a more solid nomination. Also what set are you using, what type of builds are you putting it on etc etc.
I threw out a nom for Rotom-Heat to like C-ish awhile ago that was decently well recieved though nothing came out of it. Rotom-Heat's defensive sets are imo pretty outclassed in the current metagme. Rotom-Heat faces a ton of competition for that Defensive Steel Check slot especially from Rotom-Wash who avoids its SR weakness and Zapdos and while neither can deal with Mega Mawile or Tapu Koko as well as Rotom-Heat they can deal with a majority of the list you just came up with along with checking some other pokemon and in Zapdos' case offering utility in defog and reliable recovery. While Rotom-Heat does boast a unique list of counters and the 4x steel resist is nice that SR weakness leaves it to being worn down super quickly and thus makes it easy to lure out for an opponent and then play around with switches since uninvested Rotom-Heat isn't that hard to switch-into.
Hey there! I notice in your post that you havent given any solid reasoning why dugtrio deserves a raise, we know its stats and abilities, what I as a reader would prefer to see is how dugtrios role in the metagame makes it more viable than the rest of A rank, don't forget that Duggie has some pretty big flaws which counteract its ability to trap a pokemon. Also consider comparisons to mons which serve similar team roles, Lando and duggie are nearly completely different in terms of how they fit on a team. Take into consideration these things when making a nomination. Also, welcome to the site!
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How does Mawile counter Celesteela? Sure, Thunder Punch OHKOes, but you did not account the fact that Mawile hates losing a lot of HP from either Flamethrower or Leech Seed. Mawile is also forced to Thunder Punch Celesteela, allowing momentum to come towards the Celesteela player. The reason Zygarde became so much better is primarily in the hands of the Choice Band set. CB Zygarde is also incredibly easy to wear down, while Celesteela can potentially be able to stay in once to a neutral Thousand Arrows.
This is true, however Tapu Lele is still really good in the metagame.
Yes, Hazards are useful, but you will find many teams which have different hazards. Hazards are currently extremely easy to run and fit on most builds. Spdef Celesteela is primarily for some balances which really want that Leech Seed recovery.
Spdef Celesteela run Air Slash > Protect many times to hit grasses like Tangrowth. If you are not running it, staying in vs Tangrowth is merely pointless and bad.
There are very few Pokemon that can actually do that. Heatran fullfills that, but it loses to Earthquake variants. Chansey fullfills that, sure, but many other special attackers like Shift Gear Magearna die to Chansey. SuperSonicSkyStrike leaves a hole in some things that try to do that.
Week 9 | 9 |Celesteela | 4 | 13.33% | 25.00%
it beats Gren, non Z-Focus Mosa, Lando, non tpunch meta; and, is one of the best cleaners in the tier.
Lele is still arguably Top 5 but that's not the only thing it beats
double steel is literally standard at this point in the meta. And you're usually gonna be running any combination of steel types. Whether its Meta + Ferro; Scizor + Celes etc etc. Celesteelas main niche is that it's the 2nd biggest blanket check in the OU meta.
even without Leftovers it still has Leech + Protect recovery and beats Tang 1v1. Also the Autotomize sets uses Tang as set up fodder.
I mean I guess? You can't break Chansey but you beat Tox, Ferro, other Celes, SpDef rachi, Bronzong, Fini These are the most notable members in a defensive core. Ofc there are things like Zapdos and Heatran that slows it down.
that's literally the point of the set...How is that a negative quality?
They weren't using Celesteela's usage as a reasoning to its ranking, the op stated that it was seeing little usage and they just used usage stats to refuse that. And Steela does beat Tang 1v1 unless you still run hp-fire>ice (ice has more usage iirc so in most scenarios steela wins)
Fini also gets pressured to shit by every offensive core in the game, cannot defog on any prominent spiker (Gren always runs gunk shot, Ferro always beats it 1v1.), Loses to most Offensive Rockers (SD Lando, SD Chomp, Bloom Doom Heatran), has no recovery, faces competition from Toxapex etc etc. The Fini hype train left a long time ago. In a 1v1 situation Tang loses to Spdef Celes. This isn't accounting the fact that most Tang opt to run HP ice to consistently beat Zygarde. It also blows Tang away with Air Slash or SSSS, so under what situation does Tang beat Celes.
Ferrothorn is good, but it really only runs one set, and you know the set is going to have spikes and leech seed, which means you just have to find out which of SR/TWave/Protect/Heavy Slam/Power Whip is going in the last two slots. And really you know it's at least going to run one of heavy slam or power whip. It just doesn't have many options. 7 moves isn't a whole lot of variance.
It really doesn't matter that Ferro only has 1 set because it just sits and spikes on like half of the game without even caring. Rotom had one set last generation but that didn't stop it from being fantastic and such a good pivot for every possible team. Medicham had one set but it was easily the most powerful thing in the tier and was a fantastic wallbreaker. Lopunny had one set but it shat on most offensive teams and was just generally hard to switch into. It's kind of like celesteela where it just sits and leech seeds on 80% of the tier, and it doesn't really have to do damage when it's wearing down fat cores like toxapex / tangrowth with spikes, and if we assume that Phero's getting banned then you're left with no really viable spinners (starmie and drill aren't great). Again, it does not matter that you know what Ferro's gonna be doing because that never makes it any less threatening when it's more or less guaranteed to get a spike up every game. Yeah, like Martin said in his post you have like 3 defoggers, Fini just gets seeded on, Scizor is extremely pressured to be constantly healing because of the amount of mons it's supposed to check, and Latios is just not very common either. This means that Ferrothorn is just guaranteed to just sit and mindlessly spam spikes in most games while walling a lot of important threats too.
I don't feel like Suicune is on the same level as stuff in B like Mamoswine or Salamence, or that it's more usefull than Bronzong, Nidoking or Mantine, who are also in B-.
