lol thisis why i should have saved the battle video. I was very tired when i wrote my original post and i couldn't remember the second mon of the trainer anymore. It was something with hydro vortex though
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lol thisis why i should have saved the battle video. I was very tired when i wrote my original post and i couldn't remember the second mon of the trainer anymore. It was something with hydro vortex though
Boris, Priya, Napoleon, Inez, Mechabob, and Abel have Cobalion2
Of those, only Inez and Napoleon also carry Moltres
Neither of them have Rotom-W, or any other Rotoms. Both of them only have Suicune as a water type, and no Suicune set has Waterium Z. Maybe you meant to say Hydro Pump, which Suicune2 has? You can easily OHKO that with Tbolt though.
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune in Electric Terrain: 252-296 (121.7 - 142.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Of those, only Inez and Napoleon also carry Moltres
Neither of them have Rotom-W, or any other Rotoms. Both of them only have Suicune as a water type, and no Suicune set has Waterium Z. Maybe you meant to say Hydro Pump, which Suicune2 has? You can easily OHKO that with Tbolt though.
252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Suicune in Electric Terrain: 252-296 (121.7 - 142.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
I understand that it looks a bit shady on my part now. But then it must have been something like this:
the cobalion OHKOes garchomp with metal burst after i earthquake it
i am caught off guard now and i click dazzling gleam against weakened cobalion because i don't want to be locked into an electric move if a ground mon comes out (or bulky grass) I didn't use any trainer catalogue so...
suicune lives my next specs dazzling gleam and OHko's me with waterium z move
celesteela stalls out suicune but then dies to the moltres
anyway, if y'all dfecide that it's fake, then i'll just do it again and upload video this time
I'd love to believe it, but why would you keep Koko in when it can't use Tbolt instead of swapping to Celesteela and back to let it lock into Tbolt? Also there is no Suicune with waterium Z, and if it was a Rotom like you originally thought, how would celesteela stall that out?
Ok wait up before i talk myself into more disbelief out of clumsiness how about this?
I have a battle video of me fighting against trainer 148 in the tree. If i show you guys that, in combination with the proof foto of 195 wins will that do?
We can argue all day but i just saw that i do have a battle vid of 148. i made it to show a friend
to show you i am not full of bs i will post this picture
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and here is a foto of my entire 3ds screen:
battle video for 148:
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If you didn’t use a trainer catalog, it’s fairly easy to assume you didn’t look up any sets or run any calcs, which also doesn’t help you at all. Your “warstory” has too many inconsistencies, not only the muddled Cobalion/Hydro Vortex bit but the fact that a Specs Tapu Koko, whose only truly good move is Thunderbolt, would use Dazzling Gleam “to avoid movelocking against a Ground or bulky Grass” when you’ve got Celesteela in reserve.
There are misplays and misremembering but in trying to get yourself out of the corner you’ve painted, you’ve now discarded logic. A battle vid 50 wins prior is not going to help.
...uh, bro? Does-does anyone use Heavy Slam aside from that super early Curse Wailord set? :P
Ok first of all: then at least put me up for 148 wins in the battle tree. That's the thing i can undoubtly prove with my battle video alone.
Second of all: i'll just do it again, upload that single battle video and be done with it.
I misremembered one pokemon from a trainer after beating 195 of the trainers. it all starts blurring together is what i'm saying. I don't mean any disrespect and i would never cheat just to get on a smogon leaderboard.
*shrugs* people have attempted repeatedly. And I was going to suggest doing it all over if you were insistent on proving your team was capable. 195 uninterrupted wins in Singles without researching any opponents is not a small feat, which adds to the doubt/impressiveness.
Speaking of researching opponents, how does lead Garchomp deal with Sturdy Donphan? Whether you get the one that runs Counter or the Quick Claw user, all they need to do is punk your lead and you've got an uphill battle ahead. There are lots of Ground/Sand specialists, so you would've seen at least a few Donphans.
Aggron3 does, bro; Mudsdale4 too, bro.
Smuckem Worldie from what I've read, Totems have anywhere from two to four times the weight of the standard; sounds about right.
But Mimikyu weighs 1.5 lbs. Mudsdale I know off memory weighs over a metric ton, and Mega Aggron is considerably heavier than vanilla Aggron which, while nowhere near as chunky as Mudsdale, is still incredibly heavy (heavier than Hariyama, who I consider a decent user of the move.) Actually looking things up instead of going off memory, very early Dhelmise and Golurk sets also use the move. Slimmer than Wailord, but still absurdly heavier than Mimikyu, enough to easily secure that 120 BP.
So how exactly does Mimikyu lessen damage from Heavy Slam in totem form now? This seems very silly. Kommo at least becomes a pretty fat piece of shit when its weight is quadrupled.
But Mimikyu weighs 1.5 lbs. Mudsdale I know off memory weighs over a metric ton, and Mega Aggron is considerably heavier than vanilla Aggron which, while nowhere near as chunky as Mudsdale, is still incredibly heavy (heavier than Hariyama, who I consider a decent user of the move.) Actually looking things up instead of going off memory, very early Dhelmise and Golurk sets also use the move. Slimmer than Wailord, but still absurdly heavier than Mimikyu, enough to easily secure that 120 BP.
So how exactly does Mimikyu lessen damage from Heavy Slam in totem form now? This seems very silly. Kommo at least becomes a pretty fat piece of shit when its weight is quadrupled.
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Mimikyu totem's weight is 6,2 lbs (2,8 kg), so every pokemon heavier than 31 lbs (14 kg) can do max damage with heavy slam. Looking at the list of fully evolved 'mons that can learn the move, the lightest is donphan with 264 lbs (120 kg), much higher than 31 lbs, so i think totem mimikyu don't have any use, concerning the weight.
I literally have seen no donphans but if i would, I'd switch to Celesteela immediately and wall it. Use leech seed, and then make sure to use protect and fire blast/heavy slam
also on a side note: i find it kind of weird how in the end I am accused of cheating because i misremembered what the second pokemon was in a 196th super single battle tree battle.
I know i didn't handle myself well in the following discussion and explaining my bad memory away. And for rhat I apologize
but you have a picture of me with a 195 super single record, AND a battle video of me at battle 148 sweeping everything with Garchomp.
From a logical standpoint: why would i try and lie about what happened between battle 148 and battle 195? All i did was make a mistake in my analysis. And yes i choked in the next part of the discussion, but i never had any ill intent. I simply couldn't remember that second mon in the losing battle because it was late. and i was excited about getting so far into the Tree
edit: all this is becoming irrelevant as i am already doing a second run
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I haven't come out and called you a cheater myself. But you have to understand that you've served up many of the ingredients present in the phony streaks we've gotten in the past, unintentionally or not. When you straight up admit you don't look up trainers and produce an impossible warstory, it becomes difficult to just plainly accept a streak at face value. Singles is really difficult to steamroll without knowing your opponent, and while 195 is far from the milestones people have managed to hit, it's not a small number, either. It gets bigger when put into the perspective of a user who carelessly sacks their lead against the enemy's own lead over a simple retaliation move. That probably isn't the first time it's happened (losing Garchomp right away I mean.)
While I doubt the powers that be are going to accept the original streak at this point, you are right in that redoing it from the beginning is a good way to earn some credibility back. Post a lot of replays, especially ones that don't involve the best-case scenarios of Garchomp setting up on something incredibly benign and getting a clean sweep. Show people how your team gets out of some murky shit.
While I doubt the powers that be are going to accept the original streak at this point, you are right in that redoing it from the beginning is a good way to earn some credibility back. Post a lot of replays, especially ones that don't involve the best-case scenarios of Garchomp setting up on something incredibly benign and getting a clean sweep. Show people how your team gets out of some murky shit.
The only point of me posting that 148 win video was so i could show that i did indeed do what i said i did (which is get to 195 wins with this team). i know it was an easy Garchomp win, but that wasn't about showcasing my team. It was purely showing that i beat the 148th trainer.
Since Chuggaaconroy is LPing BW, I have the urge to revisit the game. I've played through the campaign, and I am not fond of the restrictions on my Subway teambuilding. That said, I managed to build a team after researching VGC 2011.
Team #0.1 (Codename: Kyogre wannabe)
Wide Lens, Jolly, Inner Focus
- Fake Out, Hi-Jump Kick, Rock Slide, U-Turn
- 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Flying Gem, Jolly, Prankster
- Tailwind, Acrobatic, Rain Dance, Taunt
- 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Water Gem, Modest, Water Absorb
- Spout, Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, Protect
- 4 HP, 252 SpA, 252 SpD
Life Orb, Modest, Levitate
- Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Surf, Protect
- 12 HP, 4 Def, 252 SpA, 4 SpD, 236 Spe
Threats to this team include Lanturn. Ferrothorn and Empoleon are tricky to fight if Mienshao goes down early but they can be brute forced, and Blissey is tough when both leads are gone.
I'm not sure what Ability I want for Tornadus and Mienshao. Nevertheless, I feel this team is solid enough to fight in B2W2 Subway.
My current run is 63 wins, still counting.
Team #0.1 (Codename: Kyogre wannabe)
Wide Lens, Jolly, Inner Focus
- Fake Out, Hi-Jump Kick, Rock Slide, U-Turn
- 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Flying Gem, Jolly, Prankster
- Tailwind, Acrobatic, Rain Dance, Taunt
- 4 HP, 252 Atk, 252 Spe
Water Gem, Modest, Water Absorb
- Spout, Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, Protect
- 4 HP, 252 SpA, 252 SpD
Life Orb, Modest, Levitate
- Dark Pulse, Dragon Pulse, Surf, Protect
- 12 HP, 4 Def, 252 SpA, 4 SpD, 236 Spe
Threats to this team include Lanturn. Ferrothorn and Empoleon are tricky to fight if Mienshao goes down early but they can be brute forced, and Blissey is tough when both leads are gone.
I'm not sure what Ability I want for Tornadus and Mienshao. Nevertheless, I feel this team is solid enough to fight in B2W2 Subway.
My current run is 63 wins, still counting.
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Nice to see that someone's still playing the Subway. Have you considered Focus Sash on Mienshao with Low Kick over Hi-Jump Kick, or is Rock Slide and the power/risk of HJK worth it?
HJK OHKO Porygon 2 and Porygon Z, Mienshao, Blaziken, Manetric, Jolteon, Walrein, Lickilicki, Empoleon, Ferrothorn, etc. Fake Out + HJK KO Electivire, Aerodactyl, and Archeops. If you go for Reckless then Fake Out + HJK KO Lanturn, Chople Snorlax, and maybe Garchomp.
Reliable Rock Slide is pretty good. As Snuckem knows, I use Wide Lens on my Terracott team. In this case, Rock Slide provides chip damage so Water Spout can finish the job.
Reliable Rock Slide is pretty good. As Snuckem knows, I use Wide Lens on my Terracott team. In this case, Rock Slide provides chip damage so Water Spout can finish the job.
Team Kyogre wannabe was defeated by Male Clerk Bank.
Turn 1: Alexa's Mienshao and Tornadus vs. Bank's Pinsir and Bronzong.
Mienshao used Fake Out on Bronzong.
Tornadus used Tailwind.
Pinsir used Stone Edge on Tornadus. It missed.
Bronzong flinched.
Turn 2:
Tornadus used Taunt on Bronzong
Mienshao used Rock Slide. Pinsir lost 33% health. Bronzong evaded
Pinsir used Stone Edge on Tornadus. Tornadus fainted.
Bronzong used Zen Headbutt on Mienshao, Mienshao fainted.
Turn 3: Alexa sends out Hydreigon and Jellicent.
Bronzong's Quick Claw activated. Bronzong used Zen Headbutt on Jellicent. Jellicent lost 45% HP.
Hydreigon used Dark Pulse on Bronzong, Bronzong lost 55% health. Hydreigon lost 10% HP.
Jellicent consumed a Water Gem and used Water Spout. Pinsir fainted. Bronzong had 5% HP left.
Turn 4: Bank sent out Vanilluxe.
Bronzong's Quick Claw activated. Bronzong used Zen Headbutt on Jellicent. Jellicent lost 45% HP.
Hydreigon used Surf. Jellicent recovered 25% HP. Vanilluxe lost 35% HP. Bronzong fainted. Hydreigon lost 10% HP.
Jellicent used Water Spout. Vanilluxe lost 20% HP.
Vanilluxe used Blizzard. Hydreigon fainted. Jellicent lost 25% HP.
Turn 5: Bank sent out Volcarona.
Volcarona used Bug Buzz on Jellicent. Jellicent fainted.
My team got a 99 win streak.
That Bronzong should really start buying lotteries. Jokes aside, let's look beyond hax and see what I could do better. Maybe if I studied the Subway trainers I would know what set Bronzong was running. Maybe I could have switched Mienshao for Hydreigon in turn 2.
The team lost to incredible hax and some misplay, not because it got a bad matchup. Still, this is time to do some fine tuning. Was Reckless Mienshao obtainable in BW?
Turn 1: Alexa's Mienshao and Tornadus vs. Bank's Pinsir and Bronzong.
Mienshao used Fake Out on Bronzong.
Tornadus used Tailwind.
Pinsir used Stone Edge on Tornadus. It missed.
Bronzong flinched.
Turn 2:
Tornadus used Taunt on Bronzong
Mienshao used Rock Slide. Pinsir lost 33% health. Bronzong evaded
Pinsir used Stone Edge on Tornadus. Tornadus fainted.
Bronzong used Zen Headbutt on Mienshao, Mienshao fainted.
Turn 3: Alexa sends out Hydreigon and Jellicent.
Bronzong's Quick Claw activated. Bronzong used Zen Headbutt on Jellicent. Jellicent lost 45% HP.
Hydreigon used Dark Pulse on Bronzong, Bronzong lost 55% health. Hydreigon lost 10% HP.
Jellicent consumed a Water Gem and used Water Spout. Pinsir fainted. Bronzong had 5% HP left.
Turn 4: Bank sent out Vanilluxe.
Bronzong's Quick Claw activated. Bronzong used Zen Headbutt on Jellicent. Jellicent lost 45% HP.
Hydreigon used Surf. Jellicent recovered 25% HP. Vanilluxe lost 35% HP. Bronzong fainted. Hydreigon lost 10% HP.
Jellicent used Water Spout. Vanilluxe lost 20% HP.
Vanilluxe used Blizzard. Hydreigon fainted. Jellicent lost 25% HP.
Turn 5: Bank sent out Volcarona.
Volcarona used Bug Buzz on Jellicent. Jellicent fainted.
My team got a 99 win streak.
That Bronzong should really start buying lotteries. Jokes aside, let's look beyond hax and see what I could do better. Maybe if I studied the Subway trainers I would know what set Bronzong was running. Maybe I could have switched Mienshao for Hydreigon in turn 2.
The team lost to incredible hax and some misplay, not because it got a bad matchup. Still, this is time to do some fine tuning. Was Reckless Mienshao obtainable in BW?
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Hey guys, question on Scizor moveset.
I have historically been a Bug Bite guy, which works well, but I have lost streaks to bulky normal types and steel types (Magnezone...) before. I was going to give Brick Break another shot.
What is the overall consensus on Brick Break vs Bug Bite in the Tree?
The other Mons on this team are Greninja (Ice Beam, Surf, Dark Pulse, Grass Knot) and Chomp (Z Move, Outrage, EQ, SD, Sub).
I have historically been a Bug Bite guy, which works well, but I have lost streaks to bulky normal types and steel types (Magnezone...) before. I was going to give Brick Break another shot.
What is the overall consensus on Brick Break vs Bug Bite in the Tree?
The other Mons on this team are Greninja (Ice Beam, Surf, Dark Pulse, Grass Knot) and Chomp (Z Move, Outrage, EQ, SD, Sub).
I would go for brick break. If Garchomp goes down you have trouble with steel types, and you need a way to hit ferrothorn