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I was also considering SuperPower, since SD mitigates the drop pretty well
Was going to suggest Superpower myself, specifically because of Ferrothorn. You want something that will destroy it before it can get some Curses under its belt, and more hits means more Iron Barbs.
And yeah Bug STAB leaves things to be desired, but I’ve loved Scizor for it when fighting Cresselia and the occasional non-Manectric electric types. With SD and Technician the damage is acceptable. Cresselia can’t do much to Scizor besides stall but that annoys the hell out of me in itself, so I want the quick kill.
Bug is unresisted by a few important types that resist Steel, namely Water and Electric, so I tend to prefer dual STAB for him (of course this isn’t taking the rest of venom’s team into consideration.)
And yeah Bug STAB leaves things to be desired, but I’ve loved Scizor for it when fighting Cresselia and the occasional non-Manectric electric types. With SD and Technician the damage is acceptable. Cresselia can’t do much to Scizor besides stall but that annoys the hell out of me in itself, so I want the quick kill.
Bug is unresisted by a few important types that resist Steel, namely Water and Electric, so I tend to prefer dual STAB for him (of course this isn’t taking the rest of venom’s team into consideration.)
My SazaJelly ream finally passed the 100 benchmark. Right now my streak is 112 and still counting. I am happy with all of my team's Abilities, moveset, and EV. That said, if you want to modify my team, here's some recommendations.
Mienshao: Fake Out and HJK are always recommended. You can choose Detect or Wide Guard for the last 2 moves. Regenerator can be useful for surviving more priority moves and Reckless picks up more KO. Life Orb or Focus Sash can be used of you are the bold type unlike me. EV and Nature should not be changed.
Tornadus: Tailwind, Taunt, and Acrobatic are a must. Defiant can be used but you would need to replace Mienshao with Weavile. Rain Dance can be replaced with either Grass Knot or your Hidden Power of choice. EV should not be changed, but Hasty or Naive Natures can be used.
Hydreigon: You will need Dark Pulse and a Dragon STAB. Draco Meteor can be used to replace Dragon Pulse, but I rarely find the need to. Surf is recommended, but not essential. Flamethrower or Focus Blast can replace either Protect or Surf. You can sacrifice some SpA or HP to get 252 Speed, speed ties with Close Combat Sawk. Modest with Life Orb is recommended because it can OHKO key targets such as Slowbro. If you want to run Timid, then you should pack a Dark Gem instead.
Jellicent: Gem-boosted Water Spout is the main draw of this Pokemon, and this team in general. Shadow Ball, Ice Beam, and Protect round out the last 3 moves nicely. You can replace Ice Beam with Scald but I never felt the need to. Timid can help you outrun Dragon Dance Haxorus and Scarf Pinsir/Terrakion/Staraptor/etc. However, the drop in power is a big drawback, and you still get outsped by Scarf Manetric. You can shift a few Speed EV into bulk but that won't change much.
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This is the end of the line for me. Off to make a new team!
Wow. Pheromosa + Tapu Lele is amazing. As a newbie, breezed past level 50. Don't even have the defensive IV's yet!
Let's see how far I go...
Pheromosa @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Lunge
- Low Kick
- Ice Beam
- Protect
Standard bait bug. Nothing to see here.
Tapu Lele @ Psychium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 68 Spe
Modest Nature
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Substitute
- Protect
Standard Psychium Z set. Also nothing to see here. Choice Scarf set was not an option, because I wanted to run Scarf Xurkitree.
Xurkitree @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Grass Knot
- Dazzling Gleam
Xurkitree pretending to be Choice Specs Tapu Koko here. Faster than Tapu Koko, hits for less on the first hit. Against certain teams (once Phero and/or Lele have weakened the opposing Pokemon or I'm just hitting for weakness), can just sweep with Beast Boost. Doesn't interrupt Psychic Terrain which is a plus.
Thunderbolt is amazing. Kills everything, including stuff that resists Lightning.
Volt Switch is almost useless. There really hasn't been a time where I thought 'yes, I want to swap out of Xurkitree, now that I swapped it in'. Probably should replace it with some other coverage, but really I just want to Thunderbolt.
Grass Knot and Dazzling Gleam are both very situational. 9 times out of 10, I am using Thunderbolt. The remaining 1 time is when they resist Lightning but I need to punch a hole anyway.
Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heavy Slam
- Leech Seed
- Wide Guard
- Protect
Specially defensive Celesteela. Maybe a mixed set is better. Either way, Celesteela doesn't die. Once it hits Leech Seed it's golden.
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Lunge
- Low Kick
- Ice Beam
- Protect
Standard bait bug. Nothing to see here.
Tapu Lele @ Psychium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 4 SpA / 4 SpD / 68 Spe
Modest Nature
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Substitute
- Protect
Standard Psychium Z set. Also nothing to see here. Choice Scarf set was not an option, because I wanted to run Scarf Xurkitree.
Xurkitree @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Volt Switch
- Grass Knot
- Dazzling Gleam
Xurkitree pretending to be Choice Specs Tapu Koko here. Faster than Tapu Koko, hits for less on the first hit. Against certain teams (once Phero and/or Lele have weakened the opposing Pokemon or I'm just hitting for weakness), can just sweep with Beast Boost. Doesn't interrupt Psychic Terrain which is a plus.
Thunderbolt is amazing. Kills everything, including stuff that resists Lightning.
Volt Switch is almost useless. There really hasn't been a time where I thought 'yes, I want to swap out of Xurkitree, now that I swapped it in'. Probably should replace it with some other coverage, but really I just want to Thunderbolt.
Grass Knot and Dazzling Gleam are both very situational. 9 times out of 10, I am using Thunderbolt. The remaining 1 time is when they resist Lightning but I need to punch a hole anyway.
Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Heavy Slam
- Leech Seed
- Wide Guard
- Protect
Specially defensive Celesteela. Maybe a mixed set is better. Either way, Celesteela doesn't die. Once it hits Leech Seed it's golden.
Let's see how far I go...
Seeing you are using a backline scarf xurkitree (thus, not really needing that Volt Switch as you said), you can consider using Signal Beam as coverage to hit grass types, or discharge for spread damage against rain teams and/or to get around Lightning Rods (assuming you'd protect whatever else you have active in that moment).
Alternatively, Nature Power will turn into Psychic with Tapu Lele on ground, which could also potentially be useful since it will get pseudostab from the terrain.
Alternatively, Nature Power will turn into Psychic with Tapu Lele on ground, which could also potentially be useful since it will get pseudostab from the terrain.
Yeah that was just cause i copied that celesteela directly from the smogon strategy dex and didn't change the flamethrower into fire blast on my initial analysis.
IS energy ball or grass knot better on Scarf Xurkitree? Since it’s going to be Choice locked
Energy Ball is nearly always better for its constant 90 power. That said, Xurkitree has so much raw SpA that the main reason to use it over Grass Knot- lightweights like Gastrodon- is mostly mitigated. Grass Knot is a 43% chance of OHKO on Gastrodon4, unboosted.
Since bulky waters are mostly a non-issue, Grass Knot has a little more value for heavier Grounds, which will take more damage. Cleanly OHKOs Mudsdale and has significantly higher output on the likes of Hippowdon and Palossand (both Set4s run max special bulk and are not OHKOs.)
Since bulky waters are mostly a non-issue, Grass Knot has a little more value for heavier Grounds, which will take more damage. Cleanly OHKOs Mudsdale and has significantly higher output on the likes of Hippowdon and Palossand (both Set4s run max special bulk and are not OHKOs.)
The main deal of running Grass Knot as coverage on Electric types over Energy Ball (in the few applicable cases like Xurki) is that usually the ground types you face are very heavy thus GK hits 100+ power. I'd believe Gastrodon, Lando-I and Gliscor are the only notable exceptions
Hey guys! My current goal is to have all 3 BT stamps and I just got my Doubles one. I'm trying to win using some specific pokémon, but I can't decide about my Singles team. Would you please help me? Here's the list I'm using as my options:
Salamence
Gallade
Gardevoir
Altaria
Salazzle
Arcanine
Lucario
Dragonite
Typhlosion
Mienshao
Milotic
Swampert
Garchomp
Raichu
Jolteon
Espeon
I won my stamp in Moon using Dragonite/Typhlosion/Milotic, but I'd rather have something new this time, like in doubles =)
Gallade
Gardevoir
Altaria
Salazzle
Arcanine
Lucario
Dragonite
Typhlosion
Mienshao
Milotic
Swampert
Garchomp
Raichu
Jolteon
Espeon
I won my stamp in Moon using Dragonite/Typhlosion/Milotic, but I'd rather have something new this time, like in doubles =)
Does it not suck though when you locked in Grass Knot to kill something bulky then a Ribombee or something appears and I do zero damage to it?
Sort of. It sucks in same way as locking into Thunderbolt and then having a ground type or Lightning Rod coming out.
Such is life of Choice items :)
Welp, my streak ended a bit over 90. I didn’t know Marowak had Lightning Rod and I tried to thunderbolt it. RIP.
Ack, the perils of playing super multis with children. We lost at 42 because my son didn't mega (I check with him each game that he has mega'd before he locks in a move, and did here, but alas...). Opposing lead was Hippowdon and Grassium-Z Rotom-Mow. I Fake Out on the Rotom, knowing that Hypervoice will pick up a 2HKO on the Rotom before it has a chance to Grassium Blastoise, and the chip on Hippowdon will ensure Scald KOs it turn two. But instead of being 4-2 up with a full health M-Blastoise and 50% Gardevoir we end up 2-4 down and Bisharp is coming in on the Hippowdon. Tried for the Iron Head flinch, but it was nowhere in evidence. There was a slight chance my Thundurus-T could have pulled it out if it could bring it to a 1 on 1 situation (depending on what was behind Hippowdon), but Hippowdon Yawns and that's that. In the 8 or so games before that the team was running beautifully, wasn't even a single match that got even remotely shaky, so I still feel good about the composition, but not sure how long it will be before I can face starting again though.
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I finally passed 100 for the first time. Happy with my team so far. Taking a break for the night.
Current team is:
Greninja @ Life Orb
Timid - 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
Standard Ninja lead set. On average takes out 1.5 - 2 mons on his own. Especially once the Veterans show up with the Latios/as, Terrakion, the Psychics, etc.
Scizor @ Scizorite
Adamant - 252 Attack / 252 HP / 4 Def
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
Big shout out to the fellas a page back who recommended Superpower. Has saved my ass so many times. Eviolite Porygon (which used to be a nightmare for this team), Magnezone, Ferrothorn, etc. all get crushed by SP.
Garchomp ("Darkseid") @ Dragonium Z
Jolly - 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
Chomp is great. Been my favorite Pokemon since I first saw him several gens ago. You have read all about how great he is so I won't bore you all.
Anyway the run isn't over, so this isn't an official submission. Just excited that I finally beat 100 :)
EDIT: Up to 111. It's tough to do more than 5-10 of these in a row since have the time I have to do damage calcs. I predict when I lose this streak it will be because I assumed some mon was Set A but it was Set B and I got lazy. That said, I won't be mad when I lose it now that I got my three favorite mons over 100. Ready to try a new team soon.
Current team is:
Greninja @ Life Orb
Timid - 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
Standard Ninja lead set. On average takes out 1.5 - 2 mons on his own. Especially once the Veterans show up with the Latios/as, Terrakion, the Psychics, etc.
Scizor @ Scizorite
Adamant - 252 Attack / 252 HP / 4 Def
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
Big shout out to the fellas a page back who recommended Superpower. Has saved my ass so many times. Eviolite Porygon (which used to be a nightmare for this team), Magnezone, Ferrothorn, etc. all get crushed by SP.
Garchomp ("Darkseid") @ Dragonium Z
Jolly - 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
Chomp is great. Been my favorite Pokemon since I first saw him several gens ago. You have read all about how great he is so I won't bore you all.
Anyway the run isn't over, so this isn't an official submission. Just excited that I finally beat 100 :)
EDIT: Up to 111. It's tough to do more than 5-10 of these in a row since have the time I have to do damage calcs. I predict when I lose this streak it will be because I assumed some mon was Set A but it was Set B and I got lazy. That said, I won't be mad when I lose it now that I got my three favorite mons over 100. Ready to try a new team soon.
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My team for super singles:
Lead:
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Adamant - 252 attack, 196 speed, 62 HP
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
Greninja @ Expert Belt/Life Orb
Timid - 252 Spatk, 252 Sped, 4 HP
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse
Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Adamant - 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
- Fake Out
- Return
- Sucker Punch
- Power Up Punch
I keep losing to fast fighting types like Mega Lucario and Mega Lopunny... Lopunny3 in particular, can mega evolve + fake out my Dragonite, then ice punch him, then high jump kick the other two for an 81% chance of unstoppable victory. I think I should switch Greninja or Kangaskhan for somebody else, but I find them both very useful in many situations. Any recommendations? I'm thinking of training up a Mega Scizor (as this will also be a good switch-out from Dragonite when I see leads with ice shard). In that case I'd replace Kangaskhan obviously, since you don't want two Megas, but is there a big flaw in Dragonite/Greninja/Mega Scizor that I'm missing? Or should I replace Greninja instead, with somebody else? I have Mega Gyarados already trained up, who could intimidate these fighters and stay in non-mega form to resist fighting moves...
I've gotten up to 60 or 70 wins with this team but clearly having a pokemon who can instant kill the whole team (Lopunny3) is not viable. Many scarf users like Passimian3 can also definitely kill Greninja and Kangaskhan if Dragonite is dead beforehand. No team is perfect, of course...
Lead:
Dragonite @ Lum Berry
Adamant - 252 attack, 196 speed, 62 HP
- Outrage
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Iron Head
Greninja @ Expert Belt/Life Orb
Timid - 252 Spatk, 252 Sped, 4 HP
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse
Kangaskhan @ Kangaskhanite
Adamant - 252 Attack, 252 Speed, 4 HP
- Fake Out
- Return
- Sucker Punch
- Power Up Punch
I keep losing to fast fighting types like Mega Lucario and Mega Lopunny... Lopunny3 in particular, can mega evolve + fake out my Dragonite, then ice punch him, then high jump kick the other two for an 81% chance of unstoppable victory. I think I should switch Greninja or Kangaskhan for somebody else, but I find them both very useful in many situations. Any recommendations? I'm thinking of training up a Mega Scizor (as this will also be a good switch-out from Dragonite when I see leads with ice shard). In that case I'd replace Kangaskhan obviously, since you don't want two Megas, but is there a big flaw in Dragonite/Greninja/Mega Scizor that I'm missing? Or should I replace Greninja instead, with somebody else? I have Mega Gyarados already trained up, who could intimidate these fighters and stay in non-mega form to resist fighting moves...
I've gotten up to 60 or 70 wins with this team but clearly having a pokemon who can instant kill the whole team (Lopunny3) is not viable. Many scarf users like Passimian3 can also definitely kill Greninja and Kangaskhan if Dragonite is dead beforehand. No team is perfect, of course...
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I need some help with making a battle tree double's team, or at the very least finding a good QR code for one. I have been using a certain team for a while, and I know it can get me to round 50, but I can't seem to get there without having a loss at least some before that. I know that part of it is just luck, as with random teams the enemy trainers can be kinda BS at times, and I also know part of it is my lack of battle experience. however, I really wanna try and optimize my team to the point where the chance of bad luck happening is at a minimum, as I can then focus on getting better. Bellow is the team I have been using. Any help on how to improve it would be nice!
Zapdos @ Life Orb
Timid - 252 Sp Attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Heat Wave
- Discharge
Landorus-T@ Earth Plate
Adamant - 252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn
- Explosion
Aegishlash @ Weakness Policy
Quiet- 252 Sp Attack, 252 HP, 4 Defense
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
- King's Sheild
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Modest - 252 Sp Attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
- Moonblast
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Psyshock
My basic strategy is to spam multi-target moves till everything dies. Zapdos and Landorus are my maid leads, and i tend to just spam Earthquake, Discharge, and Heat Wave. Aegishlash is the tank that Takes hits when something dies or I am facing something dangerous. Gardevoir is mainly on there because its my favorite pokemon. I have run trace, but I am considering running telepathy as its been kinda difficult to use alongside Landorus's earthquake, and trace has only helped occasionall. I am also considering swaping Explosion and U-turn on Landorus, as I hardly ever use those moves.
I know this isn't the best team, so if there is anyway I can improve it please let me know. I mainly do the battle tree for the ribbons, so I am really only concerned with getting up to battle 49, where at which point i'll swap to the pokemon I want to get the ribbons on and fight blue.
Zapdos @ Life Orb
Timid - 252 Sp Attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power Ice
- Heat Wave
- Discharge
Landorus-T@ Earth Plate
Adamant - 252 attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn
- Explosion
Aegishlash @ Weakness Policy
Quiet- 252 Sp Attack, 252 HP, 4 Defense
- Shadow Sneak
- Shadow Ball
- Sacred Sword
- King's Sheild
Gardevoir @ Choice Scarf
Modest - 252 Sp Attack, 252 speed, 4 HP
- Moonblast
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast
- Psyshock
My basic strategy is to spam multi-target moves till everything dies. Zapdos and Landorus are my maid leads, and i tend to just spam Earthquake, Discharge, and Heat Wave. Aegishlash is the tank that Takes hits when something dies or I am facing something dangerous. Gardevoir is mainly on there because its my favorite pokemon. I have run trace, but I am considering running telepathy as its been kinda difficult to use alongside Landorus's earthquake, and trace has only helped occasionall. I am also considering swaping Explosion and U-turn on Landorus, as I hardly ever use those moves.
I know this isn't the best team, so if there is anyway I can improve it please let me know. I mainly do the battle tree for the ribbons, so I am really only concerned with getting up to battle 49, where at which point i'll swap to the pokemon I want to get the ribbons on and fight blue.
Inkblot Why scarfed Gardevoir and not Gardevoirite? You'll lose a bit of speed but gain a great deal of muscle and some slightly improved defenses. Hyper Voice is available now and it's one of the best drawback-less spread moves available. The Choice Scarf is almost gimping it. Protect, Hyper Voice, Shadow Ball and Psyshock is all you need.
Instead of dual STAB on Zapdos, you'd be better off running Tailwind. Landorus-T would get more mileage out of Groundium-Z than an Earth Plate, as it not only gives you a nuke, you can use that nuke when you need a solid ground attack and don't want to hit Gardevoir or force Aegislash to put its shield up. If you have access to it, Sheer Force Landorus is also a valuable partner to the other three. Earth Power hits extremely hard, Grass Knot will easily dispatch bulky grounds, and it has access to a number of situational but decent coverage moves; Psychic and Sludge Wave among them. Otherwise, definitely go with Groundium-Z on Therian.
Goodstuffs are more than capable of reaching at least 50 with some luck, but if you have any big issue it's that you're not using them optimally. I'm not the best consultant on those EV spreads as my mindset is stuck inside a very specific kind of playstyle.
Instead of dual STAB on Zapdos, you'd be better off running Tailwind. Landorus-T would get more mileage out of Groundium-Z than an Earth Plate, as it not only gives you a nuke, you can use that nuke when you need a solid ground attack and don't want to hit Gardevoir or force Aegislash to put its shield up. If you have access to it, Sheer Force Landorus is also a valuable partner to the other three. Earth Power hits extremely hard, Grass Knot will easily dispatch bulky grounds, and it has access to a number of situational but decent coverage moves; Psychic and Sludge Wave among them. Otherwise, definitely go with Groundium-Z on Therian.
Goodstuffs are more than capable of reaching at least 50 with some luck, but if you have any big issue it's that you're not using them optimally. I'm not the best consultant on those EV spreads as my mindset is stuck inside a very specific kind of playstyle.
Pretty much same advice here too. Mega-gardevoir would definitely be good there. I'd run some speed control, Tailwind on Zapdos being an obvious choice. Lando and Gardevoir both appreciate it, and allows Gardevoir to run a fast Encore which is a big asset. Tailwind can also allow reallocation of some EVs to add bulk. I'd always have Wide Guard on Aegislash, but particularly in your team comp alongside a Lando that wants to be spamming EQ and Discharge Zapdos. Would also want to run Ground-Z on the Lando, although Ghost-Z on Aegislash is also worth a thought.
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Thank you for the advice! I will try these suggestions out and see if i have more luck. Mega-Gardevoir is also my favorite mega so it will be a great opportunity to use it! and i never really thought of using tailwind, as I have always been more of a attack first playstyle, but It will definitely be cool to give it a shot, and it will help train me for online battles! thanks again!
Thank you for the advice! I will try these suggestions out and see if i have more luck. Mega-Gardevoir is also my favorite mega so it will be a great opportunity to use it! and i never really thought of using tailwind, as I have always been more of a attack first playstyle, but It will definitely be cool to give it a shot, and it will help train me for online battles! thanks again!
Ok I ended up losing at 117, so this is the official submission I guess. Here is the team:
Greninja @ Life Orb
Timid - 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
Standard Ninja lead set. On average takes out 1.5 - 2 mons on his own. Especially once the Veterans show up with the Latios/as, Terrakion, the Psychics, etc.
Scizor @ Scizorite
Adamant - 252 Attack / 252 HP / 4 Def
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
Big shout out to the fellas a page back who recommended Superpower. Has saved my ass so many times. Eviolite Porygon (which used to be a nightmare for this team), Magnezone, Ferrothorn, etc. all get crushed by SP.
Garchomp ("Darkseid") @ Dragonium Z
Jolly - 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
Chomp is great. Been my favorite Pokemon since I first saw him several gens ago. You have read all about how great he is so I won't bore you all.
Battle video here:
RZYG-WWWW-WWWE-HXRD
Ended up losing because I didn't switch my lead to Chomp to take a hit from Entei lead. It survived Surf with a sash, got a speed boost of flame charge, and I was in bad shape. Scizor finished him off but then Flygon (with potential flamethrower) forced me to switch to chomp who Z-Moved Flygon, then Mega Mence came out and Dragon Rushed Chomp. Scizor couldn't deal with Double-Edge.
Switching to Chomp in the beginning and having Ninja for the rest of the battle was definitely the right play.
I can post a pic for proof if the battle video doesn't do it.
Greninja @ Life Orb
Timid - 252 SpA / 252 Spe
- Surf
- Grass Knot
- Dark Pulse
- Ice Beam
Standard Ninja lead set. On average takes out 1.5 - 2 mons on his own. Especially once the Veterans show up with the Latios/as, Terrakion, the Psychics, etc.
Scizor @ Scizorite
Adamant - 252 Attack / 252 HP / 4 Def
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- Superpower
- Bullet Punch
Big shout out to the fellas a page back who recommended Superpower. Has saved my ass so many times. Eviolite Porygon (which used to be a nightmare for this team), Magnezone, Ferrothorn, etc. all get crushed by SP.
Garchomp ("Darkseid") @ Dragonium Z
Jolly - 252 Attack / 252 Speed / 4 HP
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
Chomp is great. Been my favorite Pokemon since I first saw him several gens ago. You have read all about how great he is so I won't bore you all.
Battle video here:
RZYG-WWWW-WWWE-HXRD
Ended up losing because I didn't switch my lead to Chomp to take a hit from Entei lead. It survived Surf with a sash, got a speed boost of flame charge, and I was in bad shape. Scizor finished him off but then Flygon (with potential flamethrower) forced me to switch to chomp who Z-Moved Flygon, then Mega Mence came out and Dragon Rushed Chomp. Scizor couldn't deal with Double-Edge.
Switching to Chomp in the beginning and having Ninja for the rest of the battle was definitely the right play.
I can post a pic for proof if the battle video doesn't do it.
Inkblot Tailwind is such a straightforward move that it's almost ridiculous for the effect it has. And Gardevoir will appreciate it most of all, especially if not lead, because many pokemon outspeed it that it could otherwise easily OHKO. Don't give it Focus Blast or Thunderbolt, though- the only damaging moves besides HV with any value to it are Shadow Ball and Psyshock.
Wide Guard on Aegislash will also provide some protection against anticipated Blizzards, another move that usually brings bad luck with it. You may also want Flash Cannon over Sacred Sword on Aegislash, especially if it's running max special offense. It'll do much more damage to rock or ice types, and it will make the inevitable Scientist teams between 30-49 easier to handle (murders two Aromatisse/Shiinotic sets and easily inflicts over 80% to the specially bulky versions.)
Speaking of Scientists, Landorus-T is a good user of Knock Off and can OHKO particular Ghost/Psychics by itself. It'll at least do you more good than Explosion, and is your best answer to the psychics with Levitate. I use Stone Edge extremely sparingly and usually not unless I'll also be using Gravity, so at the very least change it out for Rock Slide. You won't be using Rock Slide, anyway, save for a random Volcarona or Charizard before seeing which form it takes. Lastly, if you're not getting any mileage out of U-Turn, perhaps Protect for some really basic utility, or Superpower for a last turn OHKO on something weak to it?
Edit: average fella your fucking Bush Did 9/11 Gligar just got me my first master ball from the tourist lotto. If that isn't my game trying to tell me something I dunno what is
Wide Guard on Aegislash will also provide some protection against anticipated Blizzards, another move that usually brings bad luck with it. You may also want Flash Cannon over Sacred Sword on Aegislash, especially if it's running max special offense. It'll do much more damage to rock or ice types, and it will make the inevitable Scientist teams between 30-49 easier to handle (murders two Aromatisse/Shiinotic sets and easily inflicts over 80% to the specially bulky versions.)
Speaking of Scientists, Landorus-T is a good user of Knock Off and can OHKO particular Ghost/Psychics by itself. It'll at least do you more good than Explosion, and is your best answer to the psychics with Levitate. I use Stone Edge extremely sparingly and usually not unless I'll also be using Gravity, so at the very least change it out for Rock Slide. You won't be using Rock Slide, anyway, save for a random Volcarona or Charizard before seeing which form it takes. Lastly, if you're not getting any mileage out of U-Turn, perhaps Protect for some really basic utility, or Superpower for a last turn OHKO on something weak to it?
Edit: average fella your fucking Bush Did 9/11 Gligar just got me my first master ball from the tourist lotto. If that isn't my game trying to tell me something I dunno what is
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