NOC The Mafia Invitational Redux Game Thread - GAME OVER

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i'm probably out for the night, got home from work and my sister wants me to edit one of her final papers which is just going to be a fucking joy

might poke back in later maybe
 
hawkie - seems like he was in matrix and i think him digging into proph on d1 is like, what he does if he's with metal sonic or something and they decide to yolo tunnel people. because i think yolo tunnel does let you abstain from interacting with other pushes in favor of your yolo tunnel and makes it harder to pin w/w onto you later. but who is the scumteam if hawkie is 1 of them and possibly knows that proph is a townie town and easy to discern, so it's gonna be a go-nowhere tunnel for the most part? if this makes sense

pushing my strongest read till they're dead is how i play and how i've always played irregardless of who they are or who else is in the game
 
Votals the Second
Walrein
(4): Asek, Da Letter El, KnightsofCydonia, Former Hope
Prophylaxis (3): Walrein, Hawkie, MoodyCloud
Da Letter El (1): Metal Sonic
Yeti (1): Prophylaxis
Texas Cloverleaf (1): Yeti
Asek (1): Texas Cloverleaf

Not Voting: Light Wolf, Empoof

Pinging Empoof and LightWolf
 
hawkie being itg is a true blessing
hawkie is bae
Either asek is very concerned with getting people active or he's concerned that his scum chat just got shut down
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Wagon pls

Also this is a pretty good page 3 wagon, clear contradiction+hasty clear=good place to pressure
i mean the fact that nobody else except prop tries to pick up on this is pretty telling but do you have any development on this read after this? i didnt sense any agency at all in those fh posts and am wondeirng how you come to this conclusion or if ur just looking for someone to bandwagon for the sake of it
Surely I'm not the only one who gets raised eyebrows from me not reading the op being characterized as "messing up horribly"
wise to know the rules of the game ur playing
Whatever, I'm annoyed now and it's a low chance scum will miss it especially after all the attention it's getting

But texas derp claimed mason
what the fuck
dont talk about ur mason theories in the thread. this goes for anyone. anti town post.

mildly concerned that both koc seems willing to continue this discussion in posts afterwards
would not surprise me if scum literally just didn't show up to the thread yet
Oh also knights is like 95% town super pure
no
Vote Texas cloverleaf

entire first few pages smell fake as fuck to me
finally a take thats making some sense
random talk how many people here are prepared for asek scum
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FH being scum and saying he thinks you derped you're mason is like, he doesn't care if he's giving scum info by saying that, he IS scum, so while it could be from a villager who wanted to clear himself after "another villager" jumped onto him i don't think him saying that is any iota of a +townlean for him.
+1
i think i am very easy to read, especially as the game goes on

so i guess engage with me closer to when d1 ends?
wolfy
what did you like about Knights? i don't see motivation for this post other than to gain trust of knights/texas and then he starts a wagon on what i would consider the easiest lynch to push at this stage.

from what i've read so far i'd be at a Prophylaxis OR Knights scum in my brain at this point
hawkie is BAE
nah its ok knights im town this time so i can fight against u being mislynched and not just smile and nod as dle goes THIS GUY LOLCATTING CLAIMED WOLF
knights lynch was fine last game, dont misrep the situation lol. this reads like an attempted pocket

i am legiterally 99% sure Prophylaxis is scum
dont fully agree with this, theyre about a null atm in my read. they just seem to be floating around making filler content / gas akin to knights? will see if they kick into gear later but i dont see it at this point of le read
Okay 1) Yeti, don't say that when I didn't do it.

2) Getting "do more or die" threats in D1 is... do y'all even know my play style? Fuck that noise. Give me some content and then give me some time to read it. This shit was piss poor last time
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vote prophylaxis
lol what a turnaround on ms last post on proph
I'm fine with looking worse! Watching how you continue to react and how others take a stance on a potential wagon on myself will be pretty fruitful.

quoting this to refernece it in a later post ill quote i saw when i popped in last night to say i wouldnt be posting
Would also vote MS and Yeti wagons ATM
theres literally no wagon on these people
fuck off

Vote Texas
lol
FH is obvious town btw
why? lol most of their posts have been gas and publicly declaring they think they caught a mason slip?
The one reason I don't join the Proph wagon is if Hawkie's wrong, we've taken out a player capable of impressive scumhunting.
what?
like seriously what? why join any wagon if this is how you want to play? if you think hes scum vote him like lol this some hedgy ass poo poo post
I want to engage more with Hawkie because watching him interact with me will help me get a bead on his alignment.

I am not really a fan of how Yeti is.. just kind of off to the sidelines, not really taking a solid stance on this wagon on me. She asked me a question about why I felt compelled to show my reasoning for my Knights townread but.. not really sure how that question helps her read me?

Liking FH for trying to figure out why people are scumreading me/asking relevant questions.

Fine with Texas/Metal Sonic in that they're voting me just to see what shakes out; would love if they had more substantial reasoning but given that I was wagoning FH for similar reasons, no big deal.

Vote Yeti
lol that u vote yeti for this but not knights whos posts are all gas. i get ur supposedly tr'ing that slot but i see no reason to do so at this point
I'm voting proph. I don't think he's scum. I would vote you right now. You're currently null. You have more than enough information available to understand me.
what the fuck is going in this game lol. 'im voting x but i would rather vote y' 'im scumreading z but wont vote for them' is happeing so much like wtf. put ur money where ur mouth is pussies
texas has taken the lead in the race for dle town cards
i wish dle elaborated on this or did anything really
Speaking of which hi Asek any thing to add to the game?
why am i always the one getting highlighted fuck off. highlight some of the other idlers for once who are just playing vidya or some shit
If I'm still null to you, then why aren't you asking me more relevant questions in order to determine my alignment? Or.. trying to engage with me.

My scum game is.. not good.
stop downplaying ur scum game. people who downplay their scum game are super annoying, especially when theyre getting scumread. 'teehee dont vote me silly town. i cant play scum lelele' miss me with that shit. not just @ this post but the similar ones u + others have made and i assume i will see more by the time im done.
Wrong

To quote Josh from our recent Ms game: "Texas has an incredibly strong town game and sucks dog dick as scum"

You will inevitably town read me because that is simply what happens when I'm town
AAAAAAAND literally the same page
OMG HE REMINDS ME OF HITMONLEET IN THAT GAME WHERE HE WAS FOUND AS SCUM D1 WITH HIS BREAD AND BUTTER TRS
lol was this nomination mafia, that game was a lolzfest
Hey mate you're basically universally town read ATM where are your reads at
(this is in repons eto koc i dont think the quore shows it) and how is koc town
Yeah, I had to look twice at the quote to see that. Best, though, don't know what that means in this case.

Hawkie is Town in a stupid tunnel
Metal, maybe Town, but the lack of screaming could make me biased
Proph, I'm looking for an obvitell from him, but it would suck regardless if he died early and flipped green
And the two players I want content from are Asek and Empoof.
once again, why am i always singled out
if by a miracle Prophylaxis is town i'm pretty sure knights is scum
what if theyre both scum? prophlyxais contiually chooses to prefer engaging knights over other players itg in my read from my pov, i think it has s/s potential.
not reading / posting itg for another 15 hours
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holy shit! a good posts
Why I couldn’t view this gif the first time round
smogon servers are aids
Ugh, working with you is like trying to pull teeth.

Whatever man, just keep tunneling on me and let's see how this Day shakes out. I'll try to write out my reads tonight so hopefully I can get a better grip on this game.
refer to the proph post i said i was gonna refer to lolz
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ngl on this page yeti's comment sticks out like a sore thumb. Like it's memey af but at the same time idk, poor gut feeling.

Hawkie also starts to push proph here. Nothing he really says has convinced me thus far as he's just pointing out stuff that proph normally does regardless of alignment and like he says later on, isn't really hard to fake as scum. That said, I think the thing I usually read off of town proph is that proph normally comes off as super genuine and pre page 6, I had gotten that vibe from him.

Metal sonic also makes that icky post here but iirc I push him for that later

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Okay, these are some fun quotes. I actually lightly sr the 1st hawkie one. And 2nd one actually as well. Both come off 1. As things that anyone can say in any alignment but 2. They are pushing for proph on the macro level, like after briefly evaluating proph he's already decided he's scum and is trying to convince people of this and as part of that, stretches things out. Like I don't see any cause for scum or town to make that first quote, it doesn't really downplay the accusations at all, it's just kind of there responding to them and acknowledging them.

But on the whole, at least these particular 4 quotes feel kind of fake/forced. It might just be the combination of proph's carelessness and hawkie's overpushing. But idk, something to keep in mind.

The rest of the page - Proph's mini iso of KOC is good though also sort of redundant as it's basically coming down to "Knight is town because he's confused and thinking independantly" which I can see why would be a town read. But I also can recall knights during animal mafia after whydon had revealed his watcher results and KOC played the confusion card pretty smoothly imo. But ugh, I'm probably overthinking this. This is giving me some thoughts on knights but I'll probably expand on this when I do a readslist.

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I really like hawkie's first post on this page as it basically restates my own thoughts atm.



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ohshit yeti reminded me I was going to touch on that. Yeah it is strange to do the KOC evalution when his almost immediate past posts were saying he was going to respond to hawkie then and there.

and

Quoting out of order. Sue me. But these are basically the same post. Instead of doing what he said and arguing against hawkie. Proph here chooses to first shift the argument to KOC and then pushes MS.

Okay that makes some sense. Yet of all the things hawkie asked you during that sequences of his posts, you chose to first respond to the one where you talk about someone else. I mean, it is a tr and so it's not like proph was trying to actually move people's attention scum wise to someone else. But yet this just feels like classic redirection.

numbers this time were 3/9/13 have fun

Post felt swingy of texas when I first read. But I get where he's coming from now. That said, still feels super passive of texas which is just :pikuh: (also I forget how he responded to my comment of that and if that comment comes later or earlier in the thread) also I just found where yeti had all those blob emoji's earlier so :blobwizard:

This is a weird hawkie line. (and i'm losing the threads of their specific debate so I'm not sure who he is talking about) but Hawkie what did you mean by this. Like, are you straight up saying you know the scum here :blobshrug::blobglare:

It's shit like this which confuses me. My last post to this one was saying MS was super confusing and then he posts this? Like, where's the connection. And then he starts to push texas with no explination given (at first at least). Continuing my SR on MS. ESPECIALLY if proph is scum.

Weak. KOC, what do you want to see from Proph to determine his alignment? Like, walk me through your thoughts. You would join the wagon beliving proph is scum if you saw proph doing _________ and you would defend him and refuse to lynch him because you thought proph is town because he did __________

Honestly, proph echoes something I've been observing and was going to bring up later. Yeti *has* been just super sideliny and memy despite there being plenty of things to react to. Based off of her jokes, she has in fact been reading the thread. But just why so passive. It's mind boggling. Yet, this isn't the scum yeti I can recall. Unless she shifted her game majorly, I still think yeti's largest scum tell is actively placing people into "one of these two people have to be scum" and just that level of activity or accusation hasn't happneed yet despite there being ample opportunity to do so.

two points
1. I meant to touch on this earlier Prophylaxis when you made that post, why did you specify you thought 1 person was active (okay yeah, after writing that, that's basically what hawkie is asking, but I had that question too!)
2. This is more of what I felt earlier in to his proph push. Like, in this post I think hawkie has been bringing up good points. But his dedication to beleiving proph is scum just feels off. Like it's tunneling, but just my gut feel says this feels forced.

Yeti swings back defensively, almost overly defensive. If yeti hasn't posted more thoughts on the game state by the time I'm fully catch up I 1000% want to know that or put more pressure on her.

MS then continues to vote texas for still no reason ???

Yeti basically says nothing while saying nothing here. :blobsad:
Hawkie then calls the yeti push a counter wagon...and while he's not wrong. Proph is *again* pushing for someone else or talking about someone else instead of defending himself. But like...proph isn't wrong either and I'm not liking hawkie just brushing it off.

Yeti, I know this is retro question from 24 hrs ago. But why were you dubious of texas saying he'd vote for you when at this point you had basically done next to no substantive

This post directly contradicts your assessment that 1 of the 4 of us is scum. (Or were there more than Texas/Knights/me/proph posting at that point, idr) but still. This feels like walking back or proph straight up calling himself scum here lol

This is a weird weird post by texas. So you joined the wagon to...what? silently pressure proph and accomplish more than hawkie had been doing from his effort? So then he says he's *not* scum reading proph *BUT* he did vote them. Then he says he reads MS as null *BUT* he would vote him :blobastonished: like I can't get into your head and understand what you are saying here texas buddy

Proph then does give a good assessment of yeti...but keeps ignoring the bulk of hawkie. Like, I understand wanting people to take a stance on this and I think it will be useful later. But you aren't even giving a stance on hawkie here. Like, I think this has been going for 5 pages now and you still haven't given a read or any indication of your thoughts on hawkie? If proph hasn't given this yet, I really want to know wh

Why. Explainerize good sir.

Second verse. Same as the first. A whole lot scummier and a whole lot worse.

Did yeti actually post anything about my mindset? I have no recollection of this. But still. WEAK.

oh hey I reappeared

"his posts feel fake" without examples if pretty nothing. Like I can say that to anyone without analysis and it soudns good. So this MS post comes off as a cheap way to read someone without wanting to actually gather or provide evidence.

I'm screaming at my computer.

I mean. You did say you would vote him so you did 'threaten' him I guess? also there's that earlier unexplained contradiction. But yet, I do agree with you. at tihs point texas hasn't done anything that would make me want to lynch him, quesiton him yeah. But he's not in the pile of people I want to lynch. While MS feels like he's jumping around trying to find a wagon he can push.

Okay. Cool a hawkie read. But nooo, why. Why at the worst possible time after you just got called out for trying to redirect the conversation away from yourself to other people...and then you address hawkie. While I wanted proph to talk more about hawkie, this comes off as proph realizing people aren't leaving him alone and pressuring other people so now he's going and addressing hawkie straight on.

(this is to KOC) u wot mate. Texas, why do you think KOC should be universally tr at tihs point?

Hawkie then posts a reads list. Nothing too much to pick apart here. But honestly I do like the fact he's not just tr me for asking questions and shit. It implies to me he wants to think things through instead of just tr whoever is posting a lot and guiding conversation which a lot of smogon town do (but also scum looking to TR people for weak reasons)

Why select empoof here instead of another idler?

Page 14 is kind of just nothing...its sad.

Agreed. I thought DLE said he was rereading. It's been like 10 pages later and still nothing from him does feel odd.

I do and don't like this post. Which is to say I like it except for that 2nd passive line. Like, why are you auto assuming hawkie is town here? I get tr here, but you seem to be doing so little to actually try and deduce hawkie's alignment but then talk like he's 100% town to you and you will do anything he asks.

What is a proph obvitell to you?

Explainerize

I've been liking proph's posts. But there's just that nagging thing. Proph said straight up when hawkie started tunneling them that he would have fun and push back. However there's been like what, 3 of his posts that actually address hawkie (okay maybe more, but that feels about accurate) most of the other ones have just been pushing or discussing other people besides hawkie. Well worded posts I might add. But still just avoiding or redirective posts.

:blobglare::blobglare::blobglare:

Oh hey moody is playing now. But this post about hawkie. Is lolbiat. I don't get why anyone would want to read that as AI. Not knowing the set up doesn't exactly say anything about your alignment after all...

Oh hey moody quoted yeti talking about my mind set and...I don't get why texas TR that.

Now I'm not sure how caught up moody is as of this post. but first of all

Baaaaah

second, moody why are you tr yeti? When it comes to hawkie why do you address his push on KOC (did he even push KOC? I don't remember this) and think that's signifigant enough to mention and what does it imply?

I support simple majority.

Seconding hawkie's what the actual fuck a post or 2 later. No context flip from sheeping/blindly following hawkie to lynching him :blobshrug:

Not a bad post. But Texas Cloverleaf can you explain your thought process for looking more into hawkie in the first place? Your posts so far this game indicate doing that wasn't your main concern.

I actually also want to hear your answers to his question if that makes a difference.


annnnd I think I'm caught up. Big post. Have to leave for work now. But if I get a chance I'll actually make a read list. If people want to ask me how I feel about specific people when I'm working I'll try to actually respond to that. But no wall posts until I'm actually home.
im not reading all this
I think the fact that Former has filled both Texas and Asek's regular roles in this game says enough of my opinion of his alignment. DNL.
what?

cbf reading anymore tbh lol
 
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